QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 20 2018, 09:17 AM)
Such irony. Take a good look at what you did in denying others in here and rethink what you said about nice. LYN Catholic Fellowship V02 (Group), For Catholics (Roman or Eastern)
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 20 2018, 09:21 AM) Such irony. Take a good look at what you did in denying others in here and rethink what you said about nice. Glad you atleast know what an irony is, you are catching up Keep spinning, you just can't stop nature. Deny it seems. Who am I to deny anyone anything here? No one. This post has been edited by zamorin: Jul 20 2018, 09:24 AM |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 20 2018, 09:24 AM) Well now that you know, you can't tell others of your own hypocrisy, that's good. Yeah, I don't intend to be nice to those who are rude to me or consistently engage in BS: do ut desDon't talk about nice when you're not being nice at all. As you can see I got no issue debating nicely with others here who are not ignorant, arrogant, pompous, "Mr Know-it-all-empty-barrel" like you. This post has been edited by zamorin: Jul 20 2018, 09:30 AM |
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QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 20 2018, 09:25 AM) BUT Erm, here is the point. You don't realize how much of an irony you are of yourself.what is BS to you may not be BS to others (example believe in God). for you to do that is rude. So, you don't get to tell others to be nice to you, because to DO THAT, makes you a hypocrite. |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 20 2018, 09:31 AM) BUT Erm, here is the point. You don't realize how much of an irony you are of yourself. Keep bullshitting. You can't stop bullsitting as much as a leopard can't change its stripes.what is BS to you may not be BS to others (example believe in God). for you to do that is rude. So, you don't get to tell others to be nice to you, because to DO THAT, makes you a hypocrite. You started off rude and you expect courtesy? One of us surely is a hypocrite. |
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Jul 20 2018, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 20 2018, 09:32 AM) Debating with you is as pointless as giving a diamond necklace to a monkey. A waste.Yeah you were soo right about the stats and I was sooo wrong. I am in awe of "empty barrels"! This post has been edited by zamorin: Jul 20 2018, 09:41 AM |
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Jul 20 2018, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 20 2018, 09:37 AM) Keep bullshitting. You can't stop bullsitting as much as a leopard can't change its stripes. You started off rude and you expect courtesy? One of us surely is a hypocrite. QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 20 2018, 09:38 AM) I said, statistic is a big word to use...you countered otherwise, saying it's a simple word..yet...you could not explain. That's not very nice of you. You don't simply barge in here attacking what theist believe (denying others of their testimony...that is RUDE!) and when asked to explain how you derived that figure...you just buat "don't know". |
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Jul 20 2018, 09:43 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 20 2018, 09:41 AM) I said, statistic is a big word to use...you countered otherwise, saying it's a simple word..yet...you could not explain. That's not very nice of you. You don't simply barge in here attacking what theist believe (denying others of their testimony...that is RUDE!) and when asked to explain how you derived that figure...you just buat "don't know". |
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Jul 20 2018, 09:43 AM
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QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 20 2018, 08:37 AM) Again another fallacy. Nobody was asking you to use the Bible to answer the question nor was the riddle based on the bible but since this is a catholic thread, you get your attributes of god and evil from the Bible. So what else can you base it on? If one were to ask the Mulsims, surely it won't be the Bible, it will be the Quran and they will have to or attempt to answer it based on the attributes of evil and God in the Quran. So you hold your own moral standard. Doesn't mean other follow your standard. What if someone hurt you one day and he justifies his action because he saw you as an evil person. Some will support and side with him, even if you suffer more. You cannot correctly say you are good and he is evil. Because everyone has their own moral standard and no one is trully good.We all agree that evil exists, including religions, it goes without saying and is the central premise of the riddle. You don't know what atheism is (I am not trying to be rude), that's why you are asking the preceding questions. Why should we not believe that evil exists when its real? the same validity doesn't apply to god. Morals or what we base our morals on have nothing to do with atheism. You really think atheists have no morals or we are atheists because we like to commit evil? The opposite is most likely true. Atheism is based on knowledge and critical thinking not ignorance. I put it to you the only difference between an atheist and a theist really is that we believe in one god less. Hitler and the Nazi Party members were mostly Catholics (more than 90% of them), please don't attempt to conflate all evils on atheism. Your former Pope; Pope Benedict XVI (Ratzinger) was a Nazi party member!!! ------------------------- Answering your questions Where do you based your moral from? My morals unlike a theist is subjective and mine is based mostly one a single moral code - The Golden Rule: "do ut des" or it is stated in the Bible as such: Do to others as you would have them do to you - Luke 6:31 Is it based on the current government laws? No. Do they hold the highest moral standard? Atheists? Ofcourse not, there have been several atheist mass murderers in history but these people didn't base their killings on atheism unlike religious killings. As you know each country has their own laws. Which of the country in this world has the highest moral standard? Surveys have shown less crime is commited in countries which are less religious. So the inference here is less religion - more higher morals, there is no other explanation. Do we based our moral on their standard? What about Hitler's government called Nazi? Are their laws evil or good? Can you define what is evil from the book of Atheism? Answered above. Same applies to countries. If our nation goes to war with say, Singapore, who can say for sure which country is evil here? When we don't know for sure, then evil should not be a sure and real thing. If we aren't really sure what evil really means and who represents it, then why do you want to use it as an argument to question the existence of God when its not really well defined from your book of atheism? |
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Jul 20 2018, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 20 2018, 09:43 AM) Bullshit! you were nice. You just couldn't contain your arrogance and don't forget we have a history of long and lengthy encounters just to counter your bullshit and your never ending spins, like this one. I started off nicely by asking you...quite neutral in fact. Just stop your emo and answer the questions. Where did you get the 0.001% from? how did you derive that figure? show everyone here your calculation Where do ut des came from? This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 20 2018, 09:48 AM |
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Jul 20 2018, 09:43 AM) So you hold your own moral standard. Doesn't mean other follow your standard. What if someone hurt you one day and he justifies his action because he saw you as an evil person. Some will support and side with him, even if you suffer more. You cannot correctly say you are good and he is evil. Because everyone has their own moral standard and no one is trully good. No atheism is out of scope on moral values, thats why you should know what an atheist clearly is. I try to follow the golden rule not all atheist are moral or have moral principles but most tend to have.Same applies to countries. If our nation goes to war with say, Singapore, who can say for sure which country is evil here? When we don't know for sure, then evil should not be a sure and real thing. If we aren't really sure what evil really means and who represents it, then why do you want to use it as an argument to question the existence of God when its not really well defined from your book of atheism? NO, If someone hurts me, I will try to get even, for me and for others and I am not going to be turning the other cheek. But that doesn't mean I go and harm others first or disproportionately. That would make me immoral by my own code: do ut des No one is ever good or evil. Good and evil is intertwined in all of us but the more we follow moral codes, the more our better side comes to play. Pls check what atheism is, its actually very simple. EDIT: atheism ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/Submit noun noun: atheism disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. It does not have anything to do with morals, how we live, what laws we follow, nothing of that sort. Only just this one :disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. Nothing else is in the scope of atheism. This post has been edited by zamorin: Jul 20 2018, 09:51 AM |
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Jul 20 2018, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 20 2018, 09:48 AM) I don't really care where you pull it from but when you make a claim, you prove it, that's all. (Hey just using atheist rhetoric here)Cannot answer but can blabber....ok no problem, at least we know what sort of person you are. |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 20 2018, 09:51 AM) I don't really care where you pull it from but when you make a claim, you prove it, that's all. (Hey just using atheist rhetoric here) Yeah, glad you do, keep it that way and F. off and don't bother asking me again, you won't be getting any response from me unless you ask me nicely minus your arrogance.Cannot answer but can blabber....ok no problem, at least we know what sort of person you are. You keep providing me the ammo to insult you, I got no qualms using it. I am gonna be as arrogant as you, with you. This post has been edited by zamorin: Jul 20 2018, 09:57 AM |
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QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 20 2018, 09:54 AM) Yeah, glad you do, keep it that way and F. off and don't bother asking me again, you won't be getting any response from me unless you ask me nicely minus your arrogance. That's a very lousy excuse to use as cover up..actually .You keep providing the ammo to insult you, I got no qualms using it. But the fact that You know you can't answer how you derived your statistic or where is "do ut des" base from, hey fine by me. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 20 2018, 10:02 AM |
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QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 20 2018, 09:47 AM) No atheism is out of scope on moral values, thats why you should know what an atheist clearly is. I try to follow the golden rule not all atheist are moral or have moral principles but most tend to have. I am not interested in what atheism stands for. For me atheism stands for foolishness.NO, If someone hurts me, I will try to get even, for me and for others and I am not going to be turning the other cheek. But that doesn't mean I go and harm others first or disproportionately. That would make me immoral by my own code: do ut des No one is ever good or evil. Good and evil is intertwined in all of us but the more we follow moral codes, the more our better side comes to play. Pls check what atheism is, its actually very simple. EDIT: atheism ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/Submit noun noun: atheism disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. It does not have anything to do with morals, how we live, what laws we follow, nothing of that sort. Only just this one :disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. Nothing else is in the scope of atheism. If you can't realy tell who represents evil and if it really exist to you then the question from [C] will remain stupid to me. Makes no sense at all. p.s. I will stop here. I agree with UW I don't want to mess and dirty this thread to answer a nonsensical question from an unbeliever. Forgive me. |
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Jul 20 2018, 10:16 AM) I am not interested in what atheism stands for. For me atheism stands for foolishness. If you choose to define an English word arbitrarily and any which way you like it according to your convenience or change it's meaning or definition, then language is emptied of all it's meaning and truth has no value to you. Glad to know that. I stop here too.If you can't realy tell who represents evil and if it really exist to you then the question from [C] will remain stupid to me. Makes no sense at all. p.s. I will stop here. I agree with UW I don't want to mess and dirty this thread to answer a nonsensical question from an unbeliever. Forgive me. If it was nonsensical, I wonder what was the point in you trying to answer it in the past few pages if it was not a complete waste of time, oh well, nevermind. This post has been edited by zamorin: Jul 20 2018, 10:22 AM |
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QUOTE(zamorin @ Jul 19 2018, 05:19 PM) No, I told you the book and I told you it is also available on you tube. I didn't just give you a link that explains nothing. I saw it, and it wasn't convincing. Unlike you who didn't bother to read, so there.So before reading/knowing the refutation, you already answered it? if that is not dishonest, I don't know what is. |
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