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 Blu-Ray wins the HD format War, Sony's gamble with Blu-ray on the PS3

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post Jan 28 2008, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Jan 28 2008, 02:09 PM)
Doesnt HD DVD support Dolby TrueHD which is a lossless format? Blu Ray may have the uncompressed PCM audio, but why take up so much space when lossless codecs are available? An analog to this is have .wav files versus say, FLAC. Besides, how many people can tell the difference between lossy and lossless at that point anyway? Plus, the Matrix films on HD-DVD have lossless audio to boot.
That's true but the issue here is Transformers on HDDVD only had Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 and not Dolby TrueHD due to space constraint. sweat.gif
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post Jan 28 2008, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(mikeeeee @ Jan 28 2008, 02:20 PM)
haha .. thats funny how M$ like to twist the fact ...

by saying that, means DVD also have no difference compared to HD DVD and Blu-ray except it has a larger storage tongue.gif
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DVD vs. HD DVD/Blu-Ray = the quality is significantly different
HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray = the quality is comparable


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post Jan 29 2008, 02:07 AM

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omg..sometimes i wonder why we have redundant threads by the current news. Blu ray won. suck it up already. shhhhhhhheeeeeehsss!
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post Jan 29 2008, 05:34 AM

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They are comparing the real quality between Boo-Ray and HD-dvd, not the exclusive shiitt thing now. So if u think Boo-ray won then it will won for u, so u can continue drink ur champagne. laugh.gif

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post Jan 29 2008, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(Ngto @ Jan 28 2008, 04:05 PM)
Like I said previously, those DVD players make use of their visual enhancement features for better quality picture. This is especially important since ordinary DVD players are designed for output via  analog cables where PQ degrades in quality according to the type of cable used.

Even upscaling players with HDMI need those enhancements (not because of the cable quality) but due to artifacts arising from the upscaling. Since the original pic at 480 is upscaled to 720 or 1080 it need a lot of help in terms of sharpening, contrast, noise reduction etc and also a good upscaling Chip.

But for HD sources like Blu-ray or HD-DVD , there is mininum enhancement required because the pic itself is already in the same High resolution format as the highest resolution LCD panel. And furthermore data delivered over HDMI won't degrade in PQ since it's digital signal.

So my guess is there won't be much enhancement needed  for Blu-ray player as far as PQ is concerned. Whatever differences noticed will most probably be due to the adjustments of the LCD-TV itself.

But at higher price, those stand alone players probably have better parts like lens and electronic components that last longer and also better built in support for TrueHD sound.

But that's just my general impression so I could be wrong. I don't mind being corrected  smile.gif
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Don't players need to decode the video and audio first? But even if the player is just used as a 'transport', doesn't the ability to retrieve and move data as cleanly as possible vary among models (and price)? Its the reason why some amps have a feature to bypass certain boards not in use to minimize loss in quality. What makes HD any different?

QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Jan 28 2008, 10:17 PM)
That's true but the issue here is Transformers on HDDVD only had Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 and not Dolby TrueHD due to space constraint. sweat.gif
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Are you sure its really space constraint or just the studio deciding not to put it in? Paramount has a history of not putting in lossless audio, but Warner has. Plus, there have been longer movies released with lossless audio. On another note, I believe the audio on the Transformers HD DVD still got tagged as 'reference material' by many reviewers anyway so is it really that big an issue except to cause more warring between fanboys? wink.gif
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QUOTE(nakata101 @ Jan 29 2008, 05:34 AM)
They are comparing the real quality between Boo-Ray and HD-dvd, not the exclusive shiitt thing now. So if u think Boo-ray won then it will won for u, so u can continue drink ur champagne.  laugh.gif
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Sadly, not many people can understand the technical hooplas and what not. Let me give somekind of simple explaination for the simple minds we have here.

Lets just say both medias are canvas. BLU RAY is obviously a bigger canvas. Ok?

Now, we give both canvasses to the artists. They will paint the canvas, in fact go crazy with them. If artist A who was given a bigger canvas than artist B, but his sketches equals the likes of kindergarten lads, who do we blame? The canvas or the artist?

Aside from that, you need to learn "figure of speech". google it up bro.For your own sake. i think the google way up on the northern side of our country here is the same with us on the west coast. no wonder we have so many jobless graduates right now,with this kind of language proficiency. Now I understand why they fail to understand so many things. And if I were to enjoy the thing, i would have been 'flat on the roadside' right now. *cue another figure of speech* Sucks to live in a state of denial laugh.gif

"Boo ray" ? How old are you dude? I thought you were some how 'attached'(God make please me understand why and how) with UUM?

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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Jan 29 2008, 12:19 PM)
Sadly, not many people can understand the technical hooplas and what not. Let me give somekind of simple explaination for the simple minds we have here.

Lets just say both medias are canvas. BLU RAY is obviously a bigger canvas. Ok?

Now, we give both canvasses to the artists. They will paint the canvas, in fact go crazy with them. If artist A who was given a bigger canvas than artist B, but his sketches equals the likes of kindergarten lads, who do we blame? The canvas or the artist?

Aside from that, you need to learn "figure of speech". google it up bro.For your own sake.  i think the google way up on the northern side of our country here is the same with us on the west coast. no wonder we have so many jobless graduates right now,with this kind of language proficiency. Now I understand why they fail to understand so many things. And if I were to enjoy the thing, i would have been 'flat on the roadside' right now. *cue another figure of speech* Sucks to live in a state of denial  laugh.gif


"Boo ray" ? How old are you dude? I thought you were some how 'attached'(God make please me understand why and how) with UUM?
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Sry again... i know i should stop continue this argument, but i will be back again when i finish google learn how to "figure speech". laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Xbox 360 @ Jan 28 2008, 10:22 PM)
DVD vs. HD DVD/Blu-Ray = the quality is significantly different
HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray = the quality is comparable
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any guess what makes the quality significantly different ?? whistling.gif

space !! space !! thats y i say M$ was funny... how they twist the fact that space is not that important when comparing blu-ray and HD-DVD is misleading notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Jan 30 2008, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Mar 16 2007, 08:17 PM)
It seems like sony decision to include Blu-ray on the PS3 has finally pay off.

PS3 PUSH GIVES EDGE IN VIDEO FORMAT WAR
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icon_question.gif Hello all,do u all happend to know any website that sells genuine Blue ray movies(cheap2 price...)? can recommend me uh? UGPM! Thanx!! icon_question.gif
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post Jan 30 2008, 11:31 AM

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got non genuine bluray ?
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post Jan 30 2008, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(ammenace @ Jan 30 2008, 11:04 AM)
icon_question.gif Hello all,do u all happend to know any website that sells genuine Blue ray movies(cheap2 price...)? can recommend me uh? UGPM!  Thanx!!  icon_question.gif
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Err amazon.com? smile.gif
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QUOTE(ammenace @ Jan 30 2008, 11:04 AM)
can recommend me uh? UGPM!  Thanx!!  icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Jan 29 2008, 12:19 PM)
Sadly, not many people can understand the technical hooplas and what not. Let me give somekind of simple explaination for the simple minds we have here.

Lets just say both medias are canvas. BLU RAY is obviously a bigger canvas. Ok?

Now, we give both canvasses to the artists. They will paint the canvas, in fact go crazy with them. If artist A who was given a bigger canvas than artist B, but his sketches equals the likes of kindergarten lads, who do we blame? The canvas or the artist?

Aside from that, you need to learn "figure of speech". google it up bro.For your own sake.  i think the google way up on the northern side of our country here is the same with us on the west coast. no wonder we have so many jobless graduates right now,with this kind of language proficiency. Now I understand why they fail to understand so many things. And if I were to enjoy the thing, i would have been 'flat on the roadside' right now. *cue another figure of speech* Sucks to live in a state of denial  laugh.gif

"Boo ray" ? How old are you dude? I thought you were some how 'attached'(God make please me understand why and how) with UUM?
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Yes, I can agree with your sentiments on the state of English proficiency in our country. 11 years of English lessons yet little to show for it, such a shame...


Added on January 30, 2008, 4:31 pm
QUOTE(Xbox 360 @ Jan 27 2008, 04:26 AM)
I don't really care if Blu-ray wins or HD loses. I am on HD DVD, and will continue to do so, and
the odds of me changing to Blu-ray anytime soon is astronomical. Paramount and Universal Studios are still alive...

I am not into the so called "war" (I am busy and  I have no time, and even if I do have time, its spending time here... so stop these bullsh**), I am just on the HD DVD side. That's all.  biggrin.gif

Have a nice day.
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Come now, buyer's remorse is no excuse to be irrational. We've all made uninformed purchases in our past. What we have to do is recognize our mistakes and take to heart lessons from them, lest we wish to repeat them. smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

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QUOTE(darquarma @ Jan 30 2008, 04:24 PM)
Yes, I can agree with your sentiments on the state of English proficiency in our country. 11 years of English lessons yet little to show for it, such a shame...


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Come now, buyer's remorse is no excuse to be irrational. We've all made uninformed purchases in our past. What we have to do is recognize our mistakes and take to heart lessons from them, lest we wish to repeat them.  smile.gif  smile.gif  smile.gif  smile.gif
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Hahahah... come on... u guys off topic now.... sign0006.gif
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post Jan 31 2008, 12:24 PM

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I am not sure if this thread has evolved into a personal attack on people's english level unsure.gif

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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jan 31 2008, 12:24 PM)
I am not sure if this thread has evolved into a personal attack on people's english level unsure.gif
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Sry guys.... i dunno why my poor english can cause them out of topic. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Jan 29 2008, 09:57 AM)
Don't players need to decode the video and audio first? But even if the player is just used as a 'transport', doesn't the ability to retrieve and move data as cleanly as possible vary among models (and price)? Its the reason why some amps have a feature to bypass certain boards not in use to minimize loss in quality. What makes HD any different?
usually the display would be the limiting/degrading factor in PQ in an order of magnitude more than the picture differences between say between a 3rd gen samsung BD player outputting 1080p24 over HDMI compared to a 3rd Gen Sony BD player outputting 1080p24 over HDMI...

so I would say, the PQ between brands of BD player (within the same generation) should look similar, and the choice of TV would affect the PQ more..
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QUOTE(nakata101 @ Jan 30 2008, 05:50 PM)
Hahahah... come on...  u guys off topic now....  sign0006.gif
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no wonder. respect is EARNED, not given. i would suggest you cut down your bias level here. Do some research, get involve in more international forums, observe their discussion. No need to get childish what so ever. Because in the end, nobody will understand what you posted here as an aftermath of the poor language level here, which contributes nothing to the discussion.
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er...
how much i need to pay for english lesson at here??
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this is the main reason i only reply sometimes in this forum
last time people laughing at me when my verbs,past present tense word is wrong + spelling is not correct

but tht how i learn..
learn from mistake


hehe..no heart feeling guys..n bro sniper i love ur quote..
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p/s:pls back on track coz this msg is only spam msg in here tongue.gif
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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Feb 1 2008, 10:48 AM)
no wonder. respect is EARNED, not given. i would suggest you cut down your bias level here. Do some research, get involve in more international forums, observe their discussion. No need to get childish what so ever. Because in the end, nobody will understand what you posted here as an aftermath of the poor language level here, which contributes nothing to the discussion.
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Quote it first.... i have nothing to said for this. He have good high standard English, but not me. Sorry thats too many post which have no relative with the topic. I dun like spam too much like someone did, so i will stop here. Hope the price of Blu-ray and HD-dvd will drop soon, so everyone can enjoy it.... Happy new year to everyone here. Gong Xi Fa Cai!!


Added on February 1, 2008, 11:59 am
QUOTE(dark lenanza @ Feb 1 2008, 11:30 AM)
er...
how much i need to pay for english lesson at here??
tongue.gif

this is the main reason i only reply sometimes in this forum
last time people laughing at me when my verbs,past present tense word is wrong + spelling is not correct

but tht how i learn..
learn from mistake
hehe..no heart feeling guys..n bro sniper i love ur quote..
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p/s:pls back on track coz this msg is only spam msg in here tongue.gif
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laugh.gif ... U must ask for the one who will be the English Lecturer here.
Maybe someone Master standard really cant understand the lowest standard english. This is the second time who have use personal attack on my english level, the first time have been few years ago, it happen everytime the opponent dunno how to continue for the argument, then he will use personal attack on my english level.

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