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Investment RYAN & MIHO @ SECTION 13 PJ [OWNERS' THREAD], When A Boy Fell In Love With A Girl

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Babizz
post Sep 24 2020, 07:08 AM

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One of my concerns here is how the prices are not covid friendly to reflect the current market situation and also the offering of RnM.
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post Sep 26 2020, 03:37 PM

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Saw the site..looks like going to complete really soon

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icemanfx
post Oct 13 2020, 08:59 PM

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http://idaman2.kpkt.gov.my:8888/idv5/98_eH...?pmju_Kod=19225

http://idaman2.kpkt.gov.my:8888/idv5/98_eH...RYAN%20&%20MIHO

http://idaman2.kpkt.gov.my:8888/idv5/98_eH...RYAN%20&%20MIHO


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post Oct 13 2020, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(HiddenSpy @ Oct 13 2020, 08:47 PM)
wow, seems attractive, pm pls
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post Oct 14 2020, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 13 2020, 08:59 PM)
Seems like sold a lot already. Even this price and this OSK quality notworthy.gif
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post Oct 20 2020, 04:32 PM

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OSK bad quality meh? most of their project sell pretty well woh.. but that location i dun think its a problem for investment la. PJ midtown rental for 1 bedroom can go up to 2,500/month leh... summore when they launch PJ midtown was SOOOOO expensive almost 900 psf.. this one 750psf ok ok lahhhh.
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post Oct 20 2020, 05:08 PM

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with this kind of crazy density, I expect rental to be hovering around this range.

650sqft
Semi furnish 1.4-1.6k
Fully Furnish 1.6-1.8k

800-900 sqft
Semi furnish 1.8k-2k
Fully Furnish 2-2.2k

Might be able to attract some of the PJ midtown already very limited tenant pool over as its newer and more retail choices. Just my 2 cent.
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post Oct 26 2020, 12:14 AM

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Whats the latest package? Any further discount? Sa pls pm
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post Oct 26 2020, 10:41 AM

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yeah.. whats their current package? gonna complete soon.. meaning they may want to throw more package to clear the balance stock... they are still running the RM55 booking fees issit?
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post Oct 26 2020, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(BeetchX @ Oct 26 2020, 10:41 AM)
yeah.. whats their current package? gonna complete soon.. meaning they may want to throw more package to clear the balance stock... they are still running the RM55 booking fees issit?
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I think those balance unit still selling around RM950 per sq feet but after all the rebate and HOC campaign it will become around RM800 per sq feet.


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post Oct 26 2020, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Apr 19 2020, 04:10 PM)
For those who haven't purchase yet, allow me to share a few major systemic problems/issues with my property that I bought from OSK. It is a unit at Solstice @ Pangaea, Cyberjaya. It is important to understand that the issues I'm highlighting are systemic and not individual issues, such as workmanship quality in a particular unit or individual experience during certain moments when dealing with OSK personnel.

1. Inhuman layout and design - Duplex unit, 980sqft, 2+1 Bedroom Suite
The +1 bedroom was initially promised as an 'evolutionary' hideout room which was unsuspecting but once one steps inside, it will be impressive and smartly utilized/maximized as far as space utilization is concerned. It will also have gadgets and fixtures which are on-par with those in micro studios in high rise residential buildings in Hong Kong and Tokyo. The room was meant for domestic helpers/maid to stay with the family. If one were to compare with +1 rooms of other projects, be it high rise or landed, the +1 room would usually be just able to fit in a single bed with not much space to move around.  Thus, that would be our benchmark.

In reality, the +1 room turned up to be an absolute nightmare. It was a bare empty space, with cement flooring and the ceiling height so low (since it was actually a space under the stairs), that one would not be able to stand up straight inside the room without hitting the head. Entry into the space was also awkward, as the door to the room is actually inside the bathroom. Just imagine the occupants of the other proper bedroom, going to the bathroom in the middle of the night. Would he/she need to evacuate the maid from the +1 room when he/she is doing the toilet so that the maid does not accidentally go out of the room and directly into the toilet. OSK had the guts to give a suggestion to install an external lock on the room door so that it can be locked from outside. Imagine doing so but the person using the toilet forgot to unlock the room door upon exiting the toilet. The door height to the room is outright inhumane. One would need to bow down to enter as it is only up to the chest level.

Attached is the floor layout plan with the room highlighted in yellow and also a photo of OSK Property CEO, Mr.Ong Ghee Bin visiting a unit back in 2018 after numerous complaints and escalation to his level. While he did visit with his entourage and promised to look into the issue, nothing has been done and we do not except anything major to be done, as it is a major structural/design issue. Only way to rectify it would be to knock down the entire space and redesign. Not just for one unit but all the duplex units.

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2. Poor quality 'luxurious finishing' - bedframe for all the beds provided in this project, be it studio, duplex or 3 bedroom.
Bedframe is extremely shaky and can give way easily. After removing the mattress, owners found 2 fragile piece of plywood. Upon removing the plywood, owners we shocked to find that the plywood were only supported by 2 miserable long wooden sticks and from there, 4 pieces of wooden legs to the floor. OSK did not fix this up until today although it could have easily been fixed (compared to the +1 room issue). Nevertheless, owners had to fix it on their own.

Attached is a photo of a common solution done by owners, who have replaced the 2 long sticks with 4 legs with a metal brace support. I've sketched a photo to show the initial structure of the long stick and its legs.

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3. Masterplan scrapped. Meaning of Pangaea is meaningless now as far as the project is concerned.
When they started to sell the first 2 phases back in 2012, Pangaea was supposed to be a self sustaining project which encompass residential buildings, SOHO suites, office buildings, hotel tower and a neighbourhood shopping mall. The masterplan was award winning as it featured a very futuristic neighbourhood shopping mall with a roof top garden, meant to be the focal point of the whole development. Back then, the land opposite Pangaea was still empty and vacant too (the space that Tamarind Square is currently sitting on).

Fast forward 8 years later, there is still no news of the so-called futuristic neighbourhood shopping mall. The land opposite, on the other hand, has been fully developed into a very stylish and retro commercial hub (Tamarind Square, do check it out!!!!). 3 phases have been completed, which is the 2 residential buildings and the SOHO suites, but the key drivers that is supposed to push the demand of the residential buildings, the office buildings, hotel tower and shopping mall are no where to be seen.

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And this below is the current situation on-site. I've extended the photo to show the location of the office tower, hotel and also shopping mall in the original master plan.

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Fair criticism? Any other buyers of other OSK projects (besides Ryan & Miho) here? Let me know your thoughts.
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QUOTE(BeetchX @ Oct 20 2020, 05:32 PM)
OSK bad quality meh? most of their project sell pretty well woh.. but that location i dun think its a problem for investment la. PJ midtown rental for 1 bedroom can go up to 2,500/month leh... summore when they launch PJ midtown was SOOOOO expensive almost 900 psf.. this one 750psf ok ok lahhhh.
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u judge urself lo

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post Oct 26 2020, 06:31 PM

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now they give 20% discount,dont need down payment..just 80% for loan. 3% cashback...still price is too high
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post Oct 26 2020, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(hkarmy87 @ Oct 26 2020, 06:31 PM)
now they give 20% discount,dont need down payment..just 80% for loan. 3% cashback...still price is too high
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what is the nett psf price now?
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post Oct 26 2020, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(tingthinking14 @ Oct 26 2020, 12:58 PM)
u judge urself lo
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OSK = Or Sie King. They promise you on the brochure and screw you during delivery. Beware based on previous purchasers’ experience. There are many many more choices out there.

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post Oct 26 2020, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(tingthinking14 @ Oct 26 2020, 12:58 PM)
u judge urself lo
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Point No 1, from the layout that he can see during the purchase, it's obvious that the +1 room is gonna be underneath the staircase and ceiling height will be limited. SnP should have mentioned the specification for the +1 room.

Point No 2, He pointed out that only the free bedframe is having poor quality, but what about the entire building quality which didn''t really being mentioned.

OSK recent project all getting Qlassic score 80 and above, these score are being evaluated by professional so I dont think Ryan and Miho purchaser will need to worrk about the quality.

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post Oct 26 2020, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(jetzxp @ Oct 26 2020, 07:00 PM)
what is the nett psf price now?
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for 818sf after discount was 611k for lvl 16
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post Oct 26 2020, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(tonertoner @ Oct 26 2020, 10:04 PM)
OSK = Or Sie King. They promise you on the brochure and screw you during delivery. Beware based on previous purchasers’ experience. There are many many more choices out there.
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Cyberjaya project as reference
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post Oct 27 2020, 03:37 PM

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Japanese and Turkish greenery concept and landscapes,location wise,surrounding amenities, what ppl always say, buy property, location location location, human workmanship, defect can be repair then it's okay. If don't want fully furnished, then choose bare unit.
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post Oct 27 2020, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(RyanTham @ Oct 26 2020, 10:30 PM)
Point No 1, from the layout that he can see during the purchase, it's obvious that the +1 room is gonna be underneath the staircase and ceiling height will be limited. SnP should have mentioned the specification for the +1 room.

Point No 2, He pointed out that only the free bedframe is having poor quality, but what about the entire building quality which didn''t really being mentioned.

OSK recent project all getting Qlassic score 80 and above, these score are being evaluated by professional so I dont think Ryan and Miho purchaser will need to worrk about the quality.
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For Point No.1, am not sure how is it obvious that the +1 room is gonna be underneath the staircase. Would you, as a normal customer, expect the +1 room to be at the spot where it is traditionally assumed to be the storeroom? Looking at the brochure that I have highlighted the spot in yellow, then it would be obviously obvious. The sales pitch back then by OSK was to have a space that is convertible to be a bedroom as an when needed. The furnishing would include a sofa bed that would be able to transform to a bed and thus, the perception that the living room space would be able to be converted with a few sliding doors and partitions. The rest is history.

For Point No.2, I pointed out in my opening statement that "It is important to understand that the issues I'm highlighting are systemic and not individual issues, such as workmanship quality in a particular unit or individual experience during certain moments when dealing with OSK personnel". Thus, to answer your question, yes, there are hell of a lot of defects and poor quality items and workmanship throughout the entire building but then again, its all individual and not impacting each and every buyer.

For a start, quite a handful of owners had tiles that start to pop out near the entrance area within less than a year. Many units too had mold issues in the built-in wardrobe in the master bedroom studio unit, as the wardrobe was built using inferior density board and back to back against the toilet wall. And of course, there's individual complains of faulty electrical switches, rough workmanship for the skim coat of walls (made obvious after lights are switched on), crazily expensive maintenance fees which were set by the management body appointed by the developer (RM0.60/sqft back then, during the first 2 years), carpark areas which are flooded whenever there is heavy rain (refer to attach pic) and loads more.

More major ones would be extremely poor design for the entrance, guard house, which resulted in bigger vehicles not being able to drive around it as designed. It was so bad and unbearable (vehicles knocking into the walls and guard house edge from time to time), that the current management body decided to finally tear it down and rebuilt from scratch.

Yes, it was that crappy the design. For a building that was completed less than 4 years back. The new guard house is under construction as of now. Ever heard any other development which had such extensive 'touch-up' / 'renovation' works to their entrance?

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Flooded car park

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Too tight for bigger vehicles to go around it

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Decent nice, grand design but functionality....hmphhh....way off

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Time to tear it down

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post Oct 27 2020, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(RyanTham @ Oct 26 2020, 10:30 PM)
Point No 1, from the layout that he can see during the purchase, it's obvious that the +1 room is gonna be underneath the staircase and ceiling height will be limited. SnP should have mentioned the specification for the +1 room.

Point No 2, He pointed out that only the free bedframe is having poor quality, but what about the entire building quality which didn''t really being mentioned.

OSK recent project all getting Qlassic score 80 and above, these score are being evaluated by professional so I dont think Ryan and Miho purchaser will need to worrk about the quality.
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I'm sorry but I have to disagree. My close friend bought a Cyberjaya duplex unit but it's the Eclipse also by OSK. He and a hundred plus residents/ owners have been litigating a class action suit vs OSK properties. They are asking for OSK to get a full refund. basically reject the entire unit and demanding OSK properties buy back their units from these owners.

I went to see my friend's apartment unit there about 2 years ago. He had to get contractors to fix the stairs as the tiles felt hollow underneath. Basically, the walls were hollow. Cement to the aggregate mix ratio is poor to cut cost essentially. Other tiles were hollow. Overall shoddy workmanship and I witnessed it. My friend has this to say "OSK doesn't do any work, they just hire cheap contractors to roll out their property". So. Buy at your own risk. I don't need to say more.

Oh yah, common area at the rooftop pool. Exposed Electrical Riser just a few feet away from the swimming pool. I saw that. Nice.

My friend took VP of his unit for almost 3 years already and still litigating. I believe the courts have heard the initial arguments for the plaintiffs. OSK legal team tried to get the lawsuit dismissed but the judge has ruled that the plaintiffs have a valid case and it's going to be heading for a full, court hearing soon. Correct me if I am wrong.


I dunno where you get your facts that all OSK recent projects getting "Qlassic Score 80 and above". Perhaps show proof? And what is Qlassic score? Pardon my ignorance as I'm not in this industry.

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