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SUSArmata
post Jun 28 2018, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(JasonAubama @ Jun 28 2018, 03:58 PM)
I look at cultural practices rather than religious.

信假香傳 Message/Wishes via smoke (Joss Stick)
It is more a Chinese Tradition that lighting Aroma was a luxury practice.

Environmental control is getting much stringent where minimizing smoke and burning setting in. I burn Joss sticks during rituals, ceremonies, festival & occasionally.
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hmm. good info. i didnt know it's more of chinese cultural practise/tradition than that of religious. thanks bruh!
JasonAubama
post Jun 28 2018, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 28 2018, 07:44 AM)
Taoist scripture.

It states in no uncertain terms, '一切天仙不附人身'.

'The gods will not inhabit or possess human bodies for whatever reason'.
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1. Assuming Gods never posses human body, it read as NO God?
2. The Author said so?
3. Then how the communication carry out?
4. Is Meditation kind of Reverse Possession?

I have no clue 🤔
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post Jun 28 2018, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 28 2018, 07:44 AM)
Taoist scripture.

It states in no uncertain terms, '一切天仙不附人身'.

'The gods will not inhabit or possess human bodies for whatever reason'.
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Is it ori scriptures...?
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post Jun 28 2018, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(Armata @ Jun 28 2018, 10:26 AM)
so i was told the main difference between taoism and buddhism would be :

- taoism prays with jossstick but buddhism doesnt

is this true?
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The usage of incense sticks in prayer is older than both Buddhism and Taoism.

It is not specific to either of these religions (or any religions, for that matter) although both of them do use incense.
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post Jun 28 2018, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 28 2018, 04:36 PM)
The usage of incense sticks in prayer is older than both Buddhism and Taoism.

It is not specific to either of these religions (or any religions, for that matter) although both of them do use incense.
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nice..so it's more of cultural/traidition than religious
JasonAubama
post Jun 29 2018, 09:52 PM

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If I were to tell you my GOD is Superman, I’m sure all of you could picture the Character in mind with prior knowledge of the story.

If I could project an image in your mind by putting my red underwear outside, I’m sure you will bow down at me.

I kept asking is God come first or Story first, in order for spiritual beings to emulate.
JasonAubama
post Jul 4 2018, 09:21 PM

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From Thailand Taoism Association, the 63th Celestial Master Zhang, my dad’s teacher.


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TSconxtion
post Jul 4 2018, 11:43 PM

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Wow!

How about you? Your dad taught you?


QUOTE(JasonAubama @ Jul 4 2018, 09:21 PM)
From Thailand Taoism Association, the 63th Celestial Master Zhang, my dad’s teacher.
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JasonAubama
post Jul 5 2018, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(conxtion @ Jul 4 2018, 11:43 PM)
Wow!

How about you?  Your dad taught you?
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My dad is my Mentor 師父 but my Teacher 師傅 taught me in formal. My dad enrolled 4 protégés 徒弟 (excluding me) while my teacher only one (not me).

Many peers suggested I should exercise my hereditary hierarchy to lead but I’m not keen.

Taoism in tradition follows Mentoring System like Doctor & Lawyer. I’m not a good follower where I believe in many teachers just like my Technology & Innovations, Sales & Marketing, Corporate Analysts & Strategy, C-Level & WTO involvement, & many other exploration where no one did before.

In aviation industry, I have no choice but follow protocol strictly to keep my professional qualifications. When permitted, I would encourage all of us dare to explore, question & challenge the norm, you will find much excitement & beauty in life.

Very often, experts told me I m p o s s i b l e where I showed I’m Possible 😅

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post Jul 5 2018, 11:09 PM

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When my immediate superior stop me doing something Impossible, I would follow at Protocol but pay extra careful attention. In many cases, when the whole world accepted my works overwhelmingly, the first person tapping my back on stage is my immediate superior, who banned my idea earlier 😅

The other key word is “common sense”. Whenever I took on “impossible” task in my unique way, often people would say that is common sense. I got it but why can’t they have Common sense for past decades?

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post Jul 6 2018, 10:41 AM

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How to intepret this?

Section 3 Tao Te Ching

"Not to value and employ men of superior ability is the way to keep the people from rivalry among themselves;

"not to prize articles which are difficult to procure is the way to keep them from becoming thieves;

"not to show them what is likely to excite their desires is the way to keep their minds from disorder."

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JasonAubama
post Jul 6 2018, 12:58 PM

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不尚賢,使民不爭;
不貴難得之貨,使民不為盜;
不見可欲,使民心不亂;

If I were a bagger without social status, no valuable treasure, no apparent attraction, then no one would ever rob, steal, admire me.

It implies in Slavery Age & China Communism where everyone is monotonous for society harmony. So the emperor would strip you up with all taxes, make sure everyone is poor, ensuring their political regime forever.

After understanding, it is up to individual to accept or reject such teachings in current society. I don’t buy it, I’m who I am.

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Yup, I don't agree with this part of the Tao Te Ching either. Sounds like communism. It would prevent progression and innovative thinking.

Anyone has other explanation to this?

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post Jul 7 2018, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(haklung @ Jul 5 2018, 10:41 PM)
How to intepret this?

Section 3 Tao Te Ching

"Not to value and employ men of superior ability is the way to keep the people from rivalry among themselves;

"not to prize articles which are difficult to procure is the way to keep them from becoming thieves;

"not to show them what is likely to excite their desires is the way to keep their minds from disorder."
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it depends on how you read it with your preconceive notions of what matters to you. a literal outlook or an abstraction. also interpretations in english adds another layer to it ....

and these are just the top half of the chapter, what the bottom half prescribes and how does it resonate with the top half ? and how about the duality concept espoused in chapter 2 and its abstract use in this chapter ?
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post Jul 7 2018, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(danokchonger @ Jul 7 2018, 10:13 AM)
it depends on how you read it with your preconceive notions of what matters to you. a literal outlook or an abstraction. also interpretations in english adds another layer to it ....

and these are just the top half of the chapter, what the bottom half prescribes and how does it resonate with the top half ? and how about the duality concept espoused in chapter 2 and its abstract use in this chapter ?
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Would appreciate if you could share with us your insightful thoughts.
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post Jul 7 2018, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(JasonAubama @ Oct 26 2017, 11:03 PM)
WuWei 無為: The Taoist Way of Not Forcing or Obstructing the flow of natural harmony!
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是以聖人之治,虛其心,實其腹,弱其志,強其骨,常使民無知無欲,使夫知者不敢為也。為無為,則無不治。
The 2nd half of Chapter 3 suggesting the methodology (find translation at your own discretion).

In my layman view, it satisfies basic hierarchy of needs (body) but refrain from knowledge & greed (mind), literally that is the principle of 無為 WuWei.

In DaoDeJing, there are many contradicting statements & upto individual when & how to apply.

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post Jul 8 2018, 10:11 AM

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Acupuncture, TaiChi & many others proven longevity techniques initiated from Taoism. How can we make use of Contradicting Taoism Teachings for our mutual benefits?

Reading between the lines, making use of the teachings at your own discretion for our mutual benefits. Once we understand the Flow of Natural, Yin & Yang coexistence and so on.

Making use of your wisdom instead of following those dogma blindly. The learning & thinking process where I encourage each of us to challenge.

JasonAubama
post Jul 18 2018, 12:01 AM

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“Discovery is seeing what everybody else has seen, and thinking what nobody else has thought.”

DR. ALBERT SZENT-GYORGYI

Nobel Prize winner in Physiology/Medicine in 1937
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post Jul 21 2018, 01:39 AM

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Insightful thoughts.

Basically, to use our mind and brain to the fullest extent to get understanding, and not to just take things at "face value" but indeed to "read between the lines".
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post Jul 23 2018, 08:04 PM

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Found this website on Taoist Black Magic, it there actually such a thing?

http://taoist-sorcery-master.blogspot.com/...u-what-one.html

Used to hear the word Gong Tau years ago.

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