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post Apr 13 2017, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 13 2017, 01:35 PM)
You wanna get it?
Bought it when it was USD 3.9 ler i.e USD 390 total tongue.gif

That was the time I decided to convert my bitcoins to altcoins. Most of my minor altcoins not so much in value wink.gif
Mostly 0.1-0.2 BTC. LTC I was lucky because I had thought I should buy 100 coins since it is such a nice figure biggrin.gif
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300% profit......not bad for a couple of weeks!
I'm wallowing in regret...... cry.gif

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post Apr 13 2017, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Apr 13 2017, 02:06 PM)
Yup. Now i just play hedging.

10-15% in btc and all others on few different alt coin.

Like money changer. But i que sell all the alt coin once it reach 20-25% appreciation. πŸ˜ΈπŸ‘πŸ»
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 13 2017, 02:27 PM)
Yeah, lucky. I almost sold off LTC because it was static and I thought it was a dead coin but decided not too because my plan was to HODL. So far, I only sold shadow coin because of bad news and dogecoin because I thought it couldn't go up and I needed the money to buy other altcoins.

Why 20-25%? For crytocurrencies, that's nothing! Aim for 50-100%? smile.gif
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Hodling and trading are totally different investing strategies, each with its own merits.
Trading can lock in instant profits and give you the cashflow to continuous trade.
It's a numbers game......whether you are comfortable with guaranteed smaller profits many times (but might miss out on bull runs), or a potentially (but unconfirmed) larger profit over a longer period.
Personally, I hold some for long term, but I also trade some for the short term.

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post Apr 14 2017, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 13 2017, 11:48 PM)
Localbitcoin and Remitano doesn't charge any fees for buying. Only charge minimal for transfer but I can't remember how much. Never sold so don't know.

Xbit Asia charges 0.5% for buyer and 0.8% for seller. Not sure about the rest.

Anyway, sold a bit of dash. Waiting for the next downturn.  rclxm9.gif

ETH on the move, too late to buy. sad.gif
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Damn, this always happens to me...!
Going to receive my bonus by end of April, was originally thinking to put them into ETH, and whaddya know, the ETH prices surge past USD50 now.
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post Apr 14 2017, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(WooTz @ Apr 14 2017, 08:03 AM)
Now the technical guy is estimating $80-100 for the next bull run
It's always a good time to buy.
Goddamn PH delaying my bank transfers. I want to buy at $43  sad.gif
Somehow today is speedy, bought more at $49.90
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Next bull run being when?
Around end May?

QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 14 2017, 08:41 AM)
Nice. Got a bit of bullets from Dash but I'm watching at the sides first. I think past one month I already bought in at 40, 42, 44, 46, 47, 49, 52.......  sweat.gif
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It's a terrible feeling, when I'm all out of bullets and cannot do anything except watch on the sidelines...... sad.gif

QUOTE(archangel22 @ Apr 14 2017, 08:57 AM)
Thanks. Nice read. smile.gif
I qoute a part of article:
"I do not agree with Japan and what has happened in Japan, nobody knows. It is our country, our nation. […] The RBI has to take action and I will see that they do take action." India Finance Ministry.
It's like Japan is with SegWit and India isn't.  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 14 2017, 09:14 AM)
That's the part I do not understand. Governments are trying to combat money laundering but accepting bitcoins means they don't mind illegal money going in or out. I think India will go against bitcoin unless they can regulate it. If they accept without conditions, then their action of scrapping their two largest denominations would have been a futile endeavor, not to mention the chaos they created when they suddenly abolish those denominations.
In my humble honest opinion, for us normal innocent law-abiding people, getting bitcoin regulated or trackable is not a problem. We just want the ease of using bitcoin for transactions anywhere in the world. The government can track me all they want because I have nothing to hide. smile.gif
I still don't fully understand the feature of anonymity in cryptocurrencies unless you want to hide something?  hmm.gif
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I think India is just being jealous and sour because they know they screwed up big time with the demonetisation exercise.
Their original intention was probably right, but the execution was not well thought out.
The unique feature with bitcoin (or let's say cryptocurrencies in general) is that it is, for practical purposes, untraceable. More so with zero knowledge features like with Monero.
However, many people forget that the world's most widespread and most untraceable currency has always been available and has been in use for thousands of years, and that is physical CASH, be it gold, silver, coins or notes.
Cryptocurrency is no different from cash, it just brings it into the digital world.

You have to separate between regulated and traceable. Having bitcoin regulated is mostly accepted by the public, when it comes to buying, selling, trading, KYC, how exchanges work, etc. but traceability is not acceptable (and anyway goes against the whole design and decentralised nature of the bitcoin protocol itself)
It might not mean very much when you first think about it, but consider that anonymity in cryptocurrency affects not just the user, but also each and every person he has ever transacted with, and by extension, each and every other person that they have transacted with, ad infinitum.
At some point, this reaches outwards in an all-encompassing web that will include each and every bitcoin user.
Add to this scenario the fact that the blockchain includes each and every transaction ever performed from Day One, working backwards, and you have the entire financial history and economic standing of each and every bitcoin user.
Then, consider the fact that this can potentially be extrapolated to link to your real-world identity, and the identities of every other person.
Bear in mind that in a traceable scenario, you have absolutely no say in this......you are just traceable and identifiable, your entire history......there is no privacy.
This is what the cryptocurrency community is against.
Privacy is not secrecy.
Even if you have nothing to hide, I am sure you don't want your private affairs to be broadcast on a permanently public ledger.


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post Apr 14 2017, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 14 2017, 01:09 PM)
Yeah, especially so when it goes up and up before bullets come!

True that cash is untraceable but to bring a large amount of it around is not easy although not impossible. I used to remember we used to have RM500 and RM1000 notes but demonetized due to leakage. Not with bitcoin, send or receive whatever amount in an instant anonymously!! Well, now not so instant biggrin.gif  but you know what I mean. It's practically a godsend for you know who.

Ok, I understand. Yeah, I meant regulated rather than traceable. However, if I understand correctly, I think some degree of traceable records is somewhat important to prove the money is yours or mine? Let's say I have 10000 BTC blink.gif  in my wallet and the government wants to know where it came from. How am I going to proof that? Yeah, I can show a bunch of records of my receiving address but the sender's address would be largely anonymous? Or is there an easy way to show?

Which brings to another point. At the moment, all my bitcoin purchases and poloniex trades are all recorded and kept. Just in case I become a multimillionaire next time  biggrin.gif, I would need to show the tax collector that it came from legitimate sources.

Another question, I know cryptos are still new in Malaysia and the taxman probably don't know what is cryptocurrency, but are earnings from cryptos taxable?  hmm.gif Granted small amounts nobody bothers but wait I earn millions then how?  biggrin.gif
Agreed but as mentioned above, how to keep legitimate records to show the cryptocurrency came from legitimate sources?  hmm.gif
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Well, basically that's the debate and point of contention between two factions of cryptocurrency users......those that advocate anonymity and those that are in favour of traceability.
I personally don't have a solution to this. Traceability comes with a price, and that price is the loss of privacy. It's not easy to strike a balance here because the system is pretty much designed to be all or nothing.

At the moment, Malaysia does not have any tax law or legislation on cryptocurrency. Since it is not recognised as legal tender nor a property asset (yet), it does not fall into any taxable categories.
Though the laws may change in the near future, when use of cryptocurrency becomes more widespread.
All eyes are on Japan at the moment, to see how they will deal with the taxation laws since Japan recently recognised bitcoin as legal tender.

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post Apr 14 2017, 04:03 PM

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You know what......I was looking at some of the historical charts, and noticed a strange recurring phenomena.
Many of these coins, including ETH, and especially those that are constantly pushing the price limits these days, all seemed to have experienced a sudden burst in trading volume and price increases at around the same time, around mid-March 2017.

After thinking it over, the only reason I can think of is that the bitcoin price increase from 2016 has finally piqued the interest of the general population, with many people starting to invest in it, and then the rejection of the bitcoin ETF created a bit of a sell down where people started moving their money away from BTC and into the various altcoins.
Any other thoughts?
Or did something else happen in mid March that I wasn't aware of?

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post Apr 14 2017, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 14 2017, 09:05 PM)
I thought that was the main reason. I'm thinking exactly the same thing. However, if I remember the charts correctly, altcoins already started to shoot up in late 2016 and early 2017. I was thinking I was a bit of a late comer to altcoins but luckily I think I was still relatively early.  smile.gif
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You definitely made the right decision to spread your investments into so many different altcoins right before they all started going all crazy-frenzy.
In hindsight, I wished I did the same. sad.gif
But......no time for regrets!
There's money to be made yet!
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post Apr 15 2017, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 14 2017, 11:37 PM)
Yeah, on hindsight, I did the correct thing, for now. However, I think it is likely that altcoins will still go higher seeing that bitcoin has been relatively static after the ETF. Static which is good for bitcoin as I think many people were expecting it to drop for a while until better news came along. Having said that, I'm not buying into my altcoins anymore unless they show substantial gain or show some good news/progress.

Will probably add on ETH and maybe XRP and SC while waiting at the sides...... XMR has been so quiet, maybe I should do some research on it....  hmm.gif
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I believe XMR has its role to play as a cryptocurrency, and that it has long-term potential.
I bought when it was lower, but I only bought once and never topped up.
XRP and DCR are really causing me some heartache...... I am actually losing money with these two. sad.gif

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post Apr 16 2017, 06:03 PM

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Going to call it a day today......damn tired looking at the screen the whole afternoon.
Cashed out part of my profits in LTC to fund my purchases in some other alts. biggrin.gif
I see an overall upwards trend in alts, so I think I'll just hang on to them for a while and see how it goes.

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post Apr 16 2017, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 16 2017, 07:50 PM)
Yeah, this weekend is for altcoins. Major coins not moving as not much news.
Haha, our lives are ruin thanks to cryptocurrencies.

Unbelievable huh? You just have to close your eye and buy 10 altcoins, sure a few will go up.

I can't believe my fun coin pinkcoin is already up 340% at current price. Might as well throw my SC away......  rclxub.gif

Recently, I just buy a bit of coins even though I initially already crossed out of my list . EMC2, Digibyte, voxel, Pot and game. No reasons, no fundamentals, no nothing. Just can't stand seeing the uptrend without being part of it.  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif  confused.gif
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Yes......unbelievably ridiculous, but true.
Just close your eyes and buy a bit of each altcoin on Poloniex......I think you'll probably still win on average due to the ridiculous triple digit gains.
Not really sure how long this phenomena will continue though. unsure.gif

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 17 2017, 06:51 AM)
Yeah, crazy! Pinkcoin went up to 1460 last night! Now back to 600+ which gives me almost 600% gain. I only bought USD 100 of pinkcoin and not going to sell. Wished I don't need sleep, could have done some trade last night......  bye.gif

Imagine I have I think 40 types of coins and only pinkcoin is in the top 10.....  rclxub.gif

True true. I dread the day altcoins get a bloodbath. In the meantime, just enjoy the ride.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 17 2017, 09:47 AM)
Thx for the link. Polo doesn't have that coin. Incidently, I checked out bittrex a few days ago and I was surprised that they have so many altcoins. Practically hundreds! I'm sure they carry XVG. The problem is, I was drowned in a sea of altcoins at bittrex. Basically any name under the sun can be found there.

Still contemplating whether I want to channel some funds to Bittrex.  Now so comfortable in Polo.
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The problem is that I am undecided whether to keep the coins long term in the hopes of future appreciation, or just trade them short term and cash in the immediate profits, since it is pretty easy to get 10 - 20% profits with the current volatility.
Yeah I agree, I am pretty comfortable using Poloniex now.
Bittrex has so many more coins, but also due to that, the liquidity for each coin is lower when compared with Poloniex (or at least that was what I observed).

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post Apr 17 2017, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 17 2017, 02:53 PM)
As you mentioned, 10-20% is pretty easy. Why not aim higher? I think trading short term definitely has its merits, which I'm starting to do for some of my coins. However, as I don't want to miss the boat, I just trade a bit of my holdings as it shoot high, Then buy back if it goes lower.
Thx. Gives me an idea to compile cryptoscams into a guide. Too bad mod can't add another post to the guides in the front page.
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I can try to keep adding to the first post, just tell me when your guidelines are done! smile.gif

The reason for 10 - 20% is because it is very easy, and from the past few weeks' observation, you can easily trade 5 times x 20% profit to get a total of 100% profit in a short period of time (maybe 1 - 2 weeks) instead of waiting for it to shoot to 100% which is more difficult and may take a much longer time to happen (if it happens).
But on the other hand, many of my coins have been going up steadily and in an upward trend so I am also reluctant to sell. sad.gif
So many coins to choose......so little money to buy them with...... cry.gif

One more thing is that I am actually starting to get a bit concerned with the amount of money I am leaving in Poloniex.
Since I don't have too much in any one coin (except for BTC and ETH), I am currently just leaving them on the exchange......but I am terrified of what would happen if Poloniex suddenly shuts down one fine day, or hacked, or my holdings stolen by the Poloniex administrators, or something drastic like that.
There aren't any hardware wallets that support most of the altcoins, either. sad.gif


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post Apr 17 2017, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 17 2017, 07:35 PM)
1st and 2nd post getting too long. I have sent another request to a staff member to see whether can add post. I distinctly remember last time that mod can add post when I did my old guides. Maybe the rules have changed. Will await the reply.

I guess that's also true. Each strategy has its advantages and disadvantages.

For me, I have made up my mind that I will not be in a situation where I regretted selling my coins for pitiful gains in terms of cryptocurrency standard. I'm sure a lot of people who sold BTC when it was 10,000 a pizza had regretted doing that. Hence the HODL strategy regardless of minor price increase. For me, I think that there has NEVER been such an opportunity in the history of mankind  biggrin.gif for us common people to get ridiculous astronomical gains from an investment. Like I was saying some time ago, it is like having the opportunity to invest in a startup company that has the potential to become google or facebook. Of course, trading at the sides will help keep boredom away!  thumbup.gif

Me too. Previously, I will balance my account on Polo. Whatever I send to Poloniex, I will transfer out some to my hardware wallet. Now I can't do that as my hardware wallet doesn't support other altcoins (as you have rightly mentioned).  cry.gif

That's why I'm considering using another trading platform like Bittrex to reduce too much coin on one exchange. Not decided yet. I also limit my daily transfer out limit to the minimum (which is USD 2,000) which I NEED to check daily to ensure nothing was transferred out.  sweat.gif

Other than that, I don't know what else I can do unless I resort to online or paper wallets.
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You're right about distributing the holdings into different exchanges, which is something that I need to start doing.
But even that doesn't really comfort me. sad.gif
I think for now, I will just leave them as they are, until I really cannot tahan already, then create paper wallets.

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 17 2017, 11:28 PM)
What I don't understand is altcoins are tied to bitcoin. So if bitcoin goes up, altcoins/btc should go down but the value remains the same no?Β  hmm.gif
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Of course they are tied to bitcoin, since the exchange basis is altcoin/BTC......so, technically speaking, yes, the actual fiat value of the altcoin should go down in the same percentage that BTC went up.
However, this is not a perfect world, and there are far too many trigger-happy traders with shorts and margins that need to protect their positions, hence the panic sell-down every time BTC so much as give a sneeze.
In contrast, look at the more "mainstream" altcoins, the ones with altcoin/USDT exchange.
Their dollar value hardly fluctuates much.
But once BTC price stabilises a little, the same trigger-happy traders will suddenly reverse their positions and start rushing back into the altcoin market, and there you will see a big spike correction again.
Classic herd mentality.
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 18 2017, 08:07 AM)
Wait wait. I thought the fiat value would remain the same IF there was no channeling of funds from an altcoin to BTC? Only the ratio changes?
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All things being perfectly constant, yes that would be the concept.
However, there are too many variables involved.
First, you have to understand that USDT does not equal to USD. USDT is just another cryptocurrency coin like bitcoin, just that they use reserves to peg it as close to the US dollar as possible, but it's not perfectly tied, it usually fluctuates to within 0.3%.
Secondly, markets are all about human sentiments.
A drop in BTC price due to a global hack and theft might create a panic in the cryptocurrency industry as a whole, leading to a cascading sell-off stampede as generally people have even less confidence in altcoins compared to bitcoin. So the altcoin price in this case might depreciate more than bitcoin.
On the other hand, a release of some good news may create euphoria, leading to a surge of buys and causing a sudden spike in altcoin price, even though the bitcoin prices itself is increasing.


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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 18 2017, 09:40 PM)
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Shucks. Mod can't add some more post in the front page. Don't feel like cramping everything into one post......  dry.gif

Waw! Only 7 green altcoins in a sea of red!  rclxub.gif

Edit : Ok, looks like LTC not going down. Bought back LTC for a... USD 17 profit.....  biggrin.gif
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Brace yourselves......the cryptocurrency world is getting more and more mature, and this translates into faster rebounding times.
Barely hours after the massive dips experienced by most altcoins, many of them are already making a comeback, rebounding back and making up for some of the losses.

On another note, ETH seems to be testing its ATH again.
Damn it, I was hoping to get some at a bargain.

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post Apr 19 2017, 08:56 AM

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My goodness, look at the bloodbath at the deepest end of the red.
Bargains everywhere!
And damn it, I have no more money to buy!

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 19 2017, 09:52 AM)
Be careful. Those coins are delisted on May 2. Luckily I'm only holding Vox. Hope there are other exchanges that trade vox.

Come to think about it, I am damn lucky. I have so many coins but only one affected. However, I'm still mad. What happens next time? So we better not buy low volume coins until it shoots up and become persistently high volume? Makes me want to stop using polo but too bad no other exchanges with such volumes.

Should I sell my darkhorse SC?????!!??? Boy, I dread to think what will happen next time polo mass delist again. And I'm sure there would be insider trading in Polo especially when those coins were shooting up for no reasons these past few days. How much you could gain from shorting those coins !!!

I trembled to think that I almost bought QBK and MYR.
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Apr 19 2017, 10:06 AM)
Funny thingg is most of this going to be delist crypto hav such massive rally few days earlier.... 😳
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Ah crap......I had originally thought that these coins would be also available for trading on other exchanges......seems not always the case.
I had seriously considered buying NOBL about two or three weeks ago, and didn't, hence missed the massive rally. In hindsight, I was really lucky.

Yes, I am also very angry at this.
How would we be protected from such sudden delistings in future? I also believe that there would probably be some sort of insider trading, but it would be difficult to prove unless someone in the US files a lawsuit against Poloniex.
The only viable option here would be to totally avoid buying any altcoin that does not have significant trading volumes on the other exchanges.
Other than that, I really do not know what else we can do to protect ourselves.

EDIT: I just did a quick check on Bittrex, and realised that 3 of my altcoins are not trading there. I have not yet checked the other larger volume exchanges like Bitfinex.


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post Apr 19 2017, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(luotang @ Apr 19 2017, 11:19 AM)
Hi guys I am looking good at cryptocurrency to appreciate and becoming popular in 1-2 years to come. In addition to holding some ETH at the moment, I am thinking is there any cryptocurrency-business-related company (e.g., selling wallets) that are listed in NYSE/NASDAQ? Anybody has any idea about this? Planning to buy some stocks doing cryptocurrency stuff.

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I might be wrong, but I think the two largest hardware wallet manufacturers at the moment, Ledger and SatoshiLabs, are still private companies, and not trading on the stock exchange.
So far, I have not heard of any cryptocurrency-related companies being listed on the stock exchange.

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 19 2017, 12:16 PM)
Ok, now I'm thinking crazy. Can we get some benefits out of this? Is there any delisted coins that still have development going on, is listed in other exchange and has its own wallet? I don't have the time to research all those coins now. cry.gif
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I have the same thoughts.
Even though at the moment Poloniex is by far the largest exchange by volume, that doesn't mean that other exchanges won't start carrying these de-listed coins at some point.
Would it be too much of a gamble to buy some of these coins at deep discounts, then keep them in paper wallets until some other exchange start carrying them?
I've never done that before, so I don't know how it works.
Is it even possible to create paper wallets for these altcoins?
Some of these coins actually have development teams working behind them, and there are projects ongoing......who knows, they might still have a bright future.


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