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post Aug 3 2020, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 3 2020, 05:18 PM)
Aiya why buku 555, like this see no syiok liao. Last thursday when it move to 80 cents i was freak out, fast fast sell half first, and today it prove me wrong sweat.gif

But well trading u must be discipline, take profit as certain portion. TBH those milennial traders are bunch of mad cow, my remisiers even told me account opening require 3-4 weeks to process  rclxub.gif

I did some small trading on genm as well, bought at 2.29 and thought it will rebound to 2.40, mana tau today market so weak and drop down until 2.23, cut loss and move on. It clearly shown the market strength is not with my side. The reason i bought is because head and shoulder and my experience is it will rebound at this price range.

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This is where I continue to learn mah.
Don't have my preferred setup play, so buku 555 will make do lo
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post Aug 3 2020, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 3 2020, 02:20 PM)
this is their report...

The CY21E eps of 51.8 only appeared on the table....
Why aren't they using the FY21E eps?

trying to learn here  sweat.gif  notworthy.gif

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Don't know haha. I guess company financial year and actual calendar year ending different. So they took the higher of those two to calculate their TP.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 3 2020, 05:18 PM)
Aiya why buku 555, like this see no syiok liao. Last thursday when it move to 80 cents i was freak out, fast fast sell half first, and today it prove me wrong sweat.gif

But well trading u must be discipline, take profit as certain portion. TBH those milennial traders are bunch of mad cow, my remisiers even told me account opening require 3-4 weeks to process  rclxub.gif

I did some small trading on genm as well, bought at 2.29 and thought it will rebound to 2.40, mana tau today market so weak and drop down until 2.23, cut loss and move on. It clearly shown the market strength is not with my side. The reason i bought is because head and shoulder and my experience is it will rebound at this price range.

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Investing now is as easy as gambling on EPL mega_shok.gif

Let's see if construction is the next wave, we need fiscal spending, to keep this house of cards going.
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post Aug 3 2020, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Aug 3 2020, 06:15 PM)
Don't know haha. I guess company financial year and actual calendar year ending different. So they took the higher of those two to calculate their TP.
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That's why I am lost here too.
They susah susah give fy21 an estimate profit of 1528 million (which works to be 45 sen or do)... but then, they threw the curve/screw ball by using this cy21e eps which is 51.8 sen.

Macam magic hor....

And with a pe multiple of 43x.

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post Aug 3 2020, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Aug 3 2020, 06:18 PM)
Investing now is as easy as gambling on EPL  mega_shok.gif

Let's see if construction is the next wave, we need fiscal spending, to keep this house of cards going.
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Fuyoh...am I the banker now? Let's see, ChAOoz is hantaming on construction......

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post Aug 3 2020, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Aug 3 2020, 06:18 PM)
Investing now is as easy as gambling on EPL  mega_shok.gif

Let's see if construction is the next wave, we need fiscal spending, to keep this house of cards going.
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A lot are not investing, they are speculating or trading blindly laugh.gif

Construction maybe not so soon, this have to wait until the budget announcement.
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post Aug 3 2020, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 3 2020, 08:18 PM)
A lot are not investing, they are speculating or trading blindly laugh.gif

Construction maybe not so soon, this have to wait until the budget announcement.
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I guess more than half are speculating.
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post Aug 4 2020, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Aug 3 2020, 06:15 PM)
Don't know haha. I guess company financial year and actual calendar year ending different. So they took the higher of those two to calculate their TP.
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Ok. I sort of figured it out....lol .... dunno if correct or not.

The next quarter for Harta is Fy21 Q1 already and at end of the year Harta would be reporting FY21 Q2.

So Kenanga Big Scientist is NOT gonna use these two quarters for the TP calculation.

The Scientist gonna use FY21 Q3, FY 21 Q4, FY22 Q1 and FY22 Q2 numbers as these quarterly reports will be reported in 2021 calendar year.

rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

So this scientist estimate eps for those quarters is 51.8 sen.
In their table, had Harta number of shares at 3,380 million shares.
Therefor, the estimate profits is 1750 million! (which is obviously gonna be higher than fy 21 estimate profit of 1528 million laugh.gif)
Which works out on average a profit of 437.5 million per quarter.

Errrr..... correct ah?

LOL! I am trying so hard to be a scientist too leh...
Want to learn how to tipu cow cow la!

and the PE multiple used is 43x!!!

** The other Scientist must be so jelly cos his GOLD STANDARD is only 20x PE laugh.gif

** I understand. They used to average median PE or something like that to justify 43x... tongue.gif

** I reckon this is PLATINUM STANDARD lo.... calendar year eps...lol ...


for comparison again....

2019 Q1 124 million 2020 Q1 94 million
2019 Q2 120 million 2020 Q2 103 million
2019 Q3 119 million 2020 Q3 121 million
2019 Q4 113 million 2020 Q4 115 million

FY2019 456 million
FY2020 435 million


Now if Harta reports a 2021 Q1 profit of 230 million... which is doubled its profit reported in Q4 .... which is also its higheest ever profit in its history....
how would the market describe Harta's performance?

LOUSY?

shocking.gif

would anyone dare call out that Harta's performance is actually good but these Scientist in order to ramp up the stock prices is the culprit?
They simply tembak here and there to get those high TPs!
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post Aug 4 2020, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(anakMY @ Aug 3 2020, 08:33 PM)
I guess more than half are speculating.
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But then our market, those fella always tend to use BS, half baked theories to drive up a themed play. So for a pandemic, no ask question. No blink eye. Just dive deep deep as early as possible into the glove sector. Sure win.

How about the story of LKL? Struggling to make money since listing. Was only 10 sen nia. Lol. Lousy mah. Hospital bed maker.

Get this... B4 mco, it had a market cap of less than 50 million. At this moment? Close to a market cap of 290 million. Lol.

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Managing director Lim Kon Lian says LKL has seen a surge in enquiries for its beds, medical peripherals, accessories and medical devices as hospitals look to ramp up their capabilities to cope with the increasing number of infections.

“Our [financial] results were already on an improving trend prior to the Covid-19 outbreak, as reported in our 9MFY2020 [nine months ended Jan 31, 2020] results, as we continued to implement our growth strategies. The recent surge in demand is likely to contribute to double-digit growth in group revenue for the current financial year.

“We have received new orders for around 600 new healthcare beds since the beginning of the Covid-19 outbreak, worth a total of RM2 million,” he says.

LKL announced last month that it will supply RM6.6 million worth of PPE to the Sarawak government for onward distribution to public hospitals.


One hospital bed order worth 2 million and then 6.6 million of PPE.

Is it justifiable that the share go from 10 sen to 74 sen today?

LOL.

But then the masters will tell that Bursa no see fundamentals one. tongue.gif


I just saw LKL quotes...

It hit a high of 1.47.

From 10 sen to 1.47

new champion !!



SuperMan, TopGun .... shame on you two.... tongue.gif tongue.gif

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* that fella who calls other ppl stupid.... errr ..... you dun jelly la ....laugh.gif *

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post Aug 4 2020, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 4 2020, 09:53 AM)

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Yes... it looks a bit like Cup And Handle Breakout....

BUT I wouldn't call it such... cos no handle.... wink.gif
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post Aug 4 2020, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 4 2020, 09:28 AM)
Ok. I sort of figured it out....lol .... dunno if correct or not.

The next quarter for Harta is Fy21 Q1 already and at end of the year Harta would be reporting FY21 Q2.

So Kenanga Big Scientist is NOT gonna use these two quarters for the TP calculation.

The Scientist gonna use FY21 Q3, FY 21 Q4, FY22 Q1 and FY22 Q2 numbers as these quarterly reports will be reported in 2021 calendar year.

rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif

So this scientist estimate eps for those quarters is 51.8 sen.
In their table, had Harta number of shares at 3,380 million shares.
Therefor, the estimate profits is 1750 million! (which is obviously gonna be higher than fy 21 estimate profit of 1528 million laugh.gif)
Which works out on average a profit of 437.5 million per quarter.

Errrr..... correct ah?

LOL! I am trying so hard to be a scientist too leh...
Want to learn how to tipu cow cow la!

and the PE multiple used is 43x!!!

** The other Scientist must be so jelly cos his GOLD STANDARD is only 20x PE laugh.gif

** I understand. They used to average median PE or something like that to justify 43x... tongue.gif

** I reckon this is PLATINUM STANDARD lo.... calendar year eps...lol ...
for comparison again....

2019 Q1 124 million 2020 Q1 94 million
2019 Q2 120 million 2020 Q2 103 million
2019 Q3 119 million 2020 Q3 121 million
2019 Q4 113 million 2020 Q4 115 million

FY2019 456 million
FY2020 435 million
Now if Harta reports a 2021 Q1 profit of 230 million... which is doubled its profit reported in Q4 .... which is also its higheest ever profit in its history....
how would the market describe Harta's performance?

LOUSY?

shocking.gif

would anyone dare call out that Harta's performance is actually good but these Scientist in order to ramp up the stock prices is the culprit?
They simply tembak here and there to get those high TPs!
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Result out. Aint no Topglove.

Let see how fellow analyst gonna write for this one.
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post Aug 4 2020, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 4 2020, 09:28 AM)
Ok. I sort of figured it out....lol .... dunno if correct or not.

The next quarter for Harta is Fy21 Q1 already and at end of the year Harta would be reporting FY21 Q2.

So Kenanga Big Scientist is NOT gonna use these two quarters for the TP calculation.

The Scientist gonna use FY21 Q3, FY 21 Q4, FY22 Q1 and FY22 Q2 numbers as these quarterly reports will be reported in 2021 calendar year.

rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif

So this scientist estimate eps for those quarters is 51.8 sen.
In their table, had Harta number of shares at 3,380 million shares.
Therefor, the estimate profits is 1750 million! (which is obviously gonna be higher than fy 21 estimate profit of 1528 million laugh.gif)
Which works out on average a profit of 437.5 million per quarter.

Errrr..... correct ah?

LOL! I am trying so hard to be a scientist too leh...
Want to learn how to tipu cow cow la!

and the PE multiple used is 43x!!!

** The other Scientist must be so jelly cos his GOLD STANDARD is only 20x PE laugh.gif

** I understand. They used to average median PE or something like that to justify 43x... tongue.gif

** I reckon this is PLATINUM STANDARD lo.... calendar year eps...lol ...
for comparison again....

2019 Q1 124 million 2020 Q1 94 million
2019 Q2 120 million 2020 Q2 103 million
2019 Q3 119 million 2020 Q3 121 million
2019 Q4 113 million 2020 Q4 115 million

FY2019 456 million
FY2020 435 million
Now if Harta reports a 2021 Q1 profit of 230 million... which is doubled its profit reported in Q4 .... which is also its higheest ever profit in its history....
how would the market describe Harta's performance?

LOUSY?

shocking.gif

would anyone dare call out that Harta's performance is actually good but these Scientist in order to ramp up the stock prices is the culprit?
They simply tembak here and there to get those high TPs!
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Harta report 219m profit after tax

This post has been edited by Coup De Grace: Aug 4 2020, 01:19 PM
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post Aug 4 2020, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ Aug 4 2020, 01:14 PM)
Harta report 219k profit after tax
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Is 219 million la

my target ... 230 million sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 4 2020, 01:17 PM)
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Is 219 million la

my target ... 230 million  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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sry edit 219m
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 4 2020, 01:17 PM)
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Is 219 million la

my target ... 230 million  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Lol, totally overvalued.

Once peak pandemic over, profit normalized or even deteriorate due to too much extended capacity i wonder what's the P/E gonna be like. This is gonna be like O&G all over again but in a bigger way due to the bubble size and amount in speculations.
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QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ Aug 4 2020, 01:19 PM)
sry edit 219m
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.... you read too much of 'what's-his-name-writings' already .... laugh.gif

The profit is actually good. smile.gif


But the Scientists all had goreng the TP sky high ...
Punters follow and goreng cow cow the stock high ...


Let's see how and what these Scientist add what ingredients to the wok ..... rolleyes.gif







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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 4 2020, 01:17 PM)
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Is 219 million la

my target ... 230 million  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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U mentioned Kenanga expecting 380m per quarter?
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post Aug 4 2020, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Aug 4 2020, 01:22 PM)
Lol, totally overvalued.

Once peak pandemic over, profit normalized or even deteriorate due to too much extended capacity i wonder what's the P/E gonna be like. This is gonna be like O&G all over again but in a bigger way due to the bubble size and amount in speculations.
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Exactly!

If my cow memory no failed me..
Last time ...SARs, gave them big profits....
which lead them players expanding like hell.....
but once SARs ended .... suddenly everyone realise demand started slowing down...
but then... since all went full steam with their capex .... the players had to compete.... hence price wars .... sweat.gif sweat.gif
hence margins went down.... and the industry suffered and just drifted away..... till C19 showed...

so in the longer run, yeah, most likely we will see this cycle rinse and wash and repeat itself...


* but this quarter ... coincided with start of mco period... so probably... the next quarter should be much better.... profits might hit close to 280m or 300m but it still fall short of the BS the market scientist is tembaking. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ Aug 4 2020, 01:22 PM)
U mentioned Kenanga expecting 380m per quarter?
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Kenanga twisted and turned... took me a long time to figure it out ..... rclxub.gif sweat.gif
this is because they used CY21e .... and not fy21e

but from I calculated this morning, it should be around 437 million per quarter ...



ps remember .... 43x PE is used .... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Aug 4 2020, 01:13 PM)
Result out. Aint no Topglove.

Let see how fellow analyst gonna write for this one.
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I wonder if they will pull the sneaky one...

ie ... ignore the fact that the earnings is actually way, way below their estimates.... laugh.gif
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