u know what i'm thinking. push through week 12 which is completely 3 months then take 2 weeks rest. total rest with light cardio and weight lifting. sounds cool?
Jones' Journal(6 day cycle), HVT
Jones' Journal(6 day cycle), HVT
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Aug 24 2007, 10:24 AM
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u know what i'm thinking. push through week 12 which is completely 3 months then take 2 weeks rest. total rest with light cardio and weight lifting. sounds cool?
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Aug 24 2007, 10:43 AM
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If Jones were to do HST,
he'd fail miserably SDing cos you're supposed to sit on ur ass the whole day and order around people to get you stuff from the fridge. |
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Aug 24 2007, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Aug 24 2007, 10:24 AM) Erm. I dont know whether this makes sense or not. My honest advice? When you take a break from Madcow, you can rest your main muscles and do bodyweight conditioning. hmm.. u think i should be doing body conditioning after this saturday's workout or after week 12(if i can get through)/You can start by doing a simple pushup 3x4-6 (if possible, 6.. else try at least 4). Strict form, military style. ![]() If your body is not conditioned enough you'll be having a tough time with it due to weak core (cant keep abs up), hip flexors (cant keep ur hip up) & hamstrings (cant keep ur knee super straight). Sometimes it's not even about your arm or chest strength. You can bench press 100kg but if your pushups suck, you're not strong. If you can do this, do other type of body conditioning. Such as training your core and balance. Oh ya. Training your rectus abdominis is not equivalent to training your core. Ur abs is just a part of ur core. You dont need the damn belt if ur core is strong. Tell me how it goes. I sure know conditioning did wonders to my body mp push up is where u clap your hands when u go up right? |
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Aug 24 2007, 11:02 AM
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No. Just normal pushing up. No need fancy clappings etc.
What important is you see yourself in the mirror @ teh side. Wayyy too many guys are doing it with sagging bodies like this ![]() or hips up like this ![]() The 2nd pic uses hip flexor strength to support weak core. If you cant keep your body straight, hold a plank for 30 secs - 1 min ![]() Looks easy isnt it? It's so not. |
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Aug 24 2007, 11:26 AM
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ooooooo straight body.. core exercise huh.. cool cool i'll try it out and add it into daily exercise lol
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Aug 24 2007, 11:34 AM
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Coolies. Then we can compete elbow planking
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Aug 24 2007, 11:40 AM
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swt.. i have weak core.. dont bully me lol. my DL is 5 % from u ady syd lol
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Aug 24 2007, 12:30 PM
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Ermm attempting another DL next week. Hoping to reach 2x100kg pulak
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Aug 24 2007, 12:58 PM
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100kg? i thought ur last DL is 90kg? 10kg increment? dangerous lol
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Aug 24 2007, 01:17 PM
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jones.. i think u're initial plan will work.. just rest the DL and continue with everything that u still feel good with.. if u wanna back off from squats, it's ok too.. if u feel u have lots of room for MP and becnh and row then go for it.. but i would advice a weeks rest after week 12.. at week 10, it's a good run.. so don't sweat it man..
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Aug 24 2007, 01:30 PM
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yeah.. rest the bloody DL thats killing good enough i think lol. so i'll reset and see how week 12 goes.
thx for all of you guy's advice. will implement all of them thx thx |
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Aug 24 2007, 03:23 PM
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i found out why i'm suffereing. dave tate talks the talk
QUOTE T-Nation: Okay, so why squat in cycles? Tate: One reason is because although the squat is one of the best exercises for mass, it's also one of the main exercises that people stick to way too long. Let's say you hit an overtraining state. Diagnose that however you want: lack of progress, morning pulse rate, feeling like shit, whatever. If you're in that state and you're continuously putting a bar on your back, which is a load on your spine (and your spine is your central nervous system), then you're inhibiting your ability to recover from other training. T-Nation: You know, a lot of hardcore people wouldn't think of not squatting for a period of weeks! Tate: I think it's important. It's very apparent that there are times when you need to get the bar off your back. Every time I went through a phase where I took the bar off my back, my muscle hypertrophy increased significantly. Now, keep in mind the overtraining state was in effect, there were injuries in effect, and there was probably a year when I didn't have a bar off my back. But I think that for every 12 to 16 weeks of squatting, you should go through a three week phase where you take the bar off your back. Now, with that three week break, I'm not saying you don't squat; maybe you use the belt squat, which we use a lot of. It's a belt squat machine that allows you to squat but there's no loading on your spine. Also, when you're going through that phase, there are no good mornings or safety squat bar lifts either - no bar on your back whatsoever! What you're reduced to is a lot of glute-ham raises, a lot of hamstring and quad work, step-ups, lunges, and belt squats. What you find is that your leg mass increases for two reasons. First, your body is able to begin recovery like it normally should. And second, you're using exercises that you probably haven't been using for the last 12 to 16 weeks. T-Nation: Interesting stuff. Now, back in the day |
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Aug 24 2007, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Aug 24 2007, 12:58 PM) Hmm cause last time that wasnt my real max. Havent hit the strength ceiling yet. I felt like I could DL heavier but I think that day my pre was substandard. So DLed another time. Then pancit no energy haha I'll be fine |
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Aug 24 2007, 03:42 PM
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hey read my post? i think its time for me to screw madcow nicely. lol
and also about the calves. QUOTE T-Nation: You know, I was watching some EliteFTS DVDs the other day and I was struck by most of these guys' calf development. Any bodybuilder would kill for those calves. Let me guess, they don't even train calves directly do they? Tate: No. It's a side effect of squatting heavy. Plus, a bigger guy is always going to have bigger calves. Look at your football coach. You've got your old lineman coaches with like 50 inch calves! It's just the nature of having the extra bodyweight - and walking around is going to develop that. But the calves are partially responsible for supporting the knee. Just the nature of walking the weight out of the rack, squatting and pulling, you're training your calves. |
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Aug 24 2007, 03:48 PM
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What you gonna do now, Jones?
Just becareful of point 5. QUOTE 5. You constantly fluctuate between lifts that have bad carry-over. Here is an example: I have seen many times, and one I have done myself. The trainee burns out on benching and decides to do Hammer Strength Benches for a change. He makes the switch and is jazzed. His Hammer press is going up every week and he is stoked. After a time he has added 50 lbs to his Hammer bench and decides to go back and hit the bench, only to find it's up a whole 10 lbs!!!!! That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with Hammer Benches. It just means that the lifts are dissimilar enough that an increase in one may not necessarily help increase the lift on another. Use of stabilizers and inter and intra-muscular coordination are two primary reasons, along with neural recruitment pattern gains that don't apply well to the other lift. |
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Aug 24 2007, 03:48 PM
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Reading 2 pages back, I thought someone is bashing someone for screwing with some program?
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Aug 24 2007, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Aug 24 2007, 03:36 PM) Hmm cause last time that wasnt my real max. Havent hit the strength ceiling yet. I felt like I could DL heavier but I think that day my pre was substandard. So DLed another time. Then pancit no energy haha haha... watch out Jones... Syd G is gonna overtake you in raw poundage soon, instead of just bodyweight %.I'll be fine |
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Aug 24 2007, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(King83 @ Aug 24 2007, 03:48 PM) i'm not gonna do leg presses to increase my squat. i'm just trying to maintain my strength. resting for 2 weeks doing nothing and eat only will definitely make me heavier, fatter, weaker.QUOTE(Syd G @ Aug 24 2007, 03:48 PM) i screwing the program with my condition unable to squat properly and for particular reasons. screwing the program for nothing is different |
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Aug 24 2007, 03:59 PM
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imma advance
QUOTE Advanced Lifters: lolAfter a while, linear progress doesn't work so well. You want to do this for as long as you can. And I mean, resetting and running at your records, changing some exercises, rep ranges, whatever, just keep trying to get some linear progress as you want to milk this kind of progression for all it's worth. After a while it will become pretty obvious this doesn't work for you any more. Welcome to periodization. |
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Aug 24 2007, 04:00 PM
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Uh dun do leg pressies to subtitute squatting. Did that. Regretting it. Hamstrings lacking big time thus resulting in major inflexibility (harder to ATG, cant run properly etc). Unless you know how to leg press properly to stimulate hammies (use teh heel to press), I really wouldnt recommend it.
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