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This post has been edited by babylon52281: Mar 16 2023, 06:23 PM

Becoz, if he cannot find you when got problem still can chase you in LYN!

Bro, 6800xt just barely hit 60fps medium 4K in Hogwarts. If OP wants to keep playing 4K games 2-3 years down the line with reasonable >60FPS, he will need at least 6900xt grade GPU.


Bro asus_2g, ur system is really at the mid lower tier, even when you bought new back then. To upgrade that to a high performance PC that plays 4K, ur RM5.5k just isnt enuff. That 5.5k budget is really only enuff to buy the GPU but then will be hard bottlenecked by the R3 CPU & 550W PSU.

But RM5.5k will get you a solid 2K experience if you go with limited upgrade
CPU 5800X3D
850W A or B tier PSU (budget around RM500-800)
3080, 3080Ti, 6800xt, 6900xt (whichever fits ur remainder budget)
Then maybe a year or 2 can upgrade mobo to X570
Then later when you have the money can ugrade GPU to RTX xx90 or Radeon x900XT class GPU for the real 4K experience

No budget so its about getting new for 12100F + msi pro b660m-a + 2x8GB 3200 RAM + 600-650W B tier PSU + budget case like Nexus Air MATX, and then depends where you can get used 3060 on the cheap. Try to get LHR version as its less likely to have been miner.

GPU wise 3060 nonTi will do max 1080p 60fps max setting


But if want to play other games like Fortnite UE5 then 3060Ti will give better playing experience.

"that's seem the case for the vast majority of AAA PC releases anyway"
Indeed that is what the industry is heading to so no point in hoping things will change and you can get a value for money GPU to run 4K. Not gonna happen.
You can wait in hopes games will become better optimised but not all the time, COD series are well known to cripple RTX no matter how many years in, like a 4090 doing worse than 6950XT, in COD Warezone. Orz

Hogwarts at 4K medium no RT, the 6800xt barely goes over the line at 61fps while 6900xt has a better buffer at 71fps, which is why I reckon going minimum 6900xt for 4K as that FPS will dip when facing newer & more demanding games at 4K within 2-3 years down the line.

DLSS/FSR will help if you run with RT on to gain back the FPS loss from using RT. DLSS by itself isnt as useful as there are trade offs from running natively.

"Why would you want TS to waste money on a X570 board"
For one reason; Gen4 x4 NVME SSD. His B450 mobo only max out at Gen3. If want to do 4K gaming you need fast loading of hi res textures plus Direct Storage to GPU. Plus Gen4 SSD are getting cheaper so his Gen3 only mobo will hold back a lot of newer hardware potential moreso if want to aim for smooth 4K gaming.

Viable upgrade path for DDR5 is expensive, as you will need at least DDR5 6000MHZ for it to be still usable when you want to add more RAM next few years, as you will want the older kit not to hamper the faster speeds of the newer RAM.

1. 6+2+1 x 60A vs 12+2+1 x 80A VRMs. https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-m...i-review,5.html
2. Better sound can only be perceived by better speakers or earphones to match the same grade.
3. SE224XTS but if OCing, SE207XT. Dual towers seem to work better on Ryzens.

Why on earth would a work PC will require an AIO somemore with a CPU that has low TDP? A budget tower cooler like SE224XT/S will be plenty for that CPU, far cheaper cost, and will certainly work far longer than that AIO. Or even can be omitted for the boxed cooler if OP was on a tight budget.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Mar 22 2023, 04:43 PM

1. The Mag Mortar is similarly configured to the MSI Pro-P in this chart, and compare with the Gaming X mobo, when the CPU hits max turbo frequency, there is a 12degrees diff in VRM temps.

Less heat means better efficiency, better mobo longevity (in terms of VRMS), and throws less heat out of ur PC.

2. Ryzen 7000s are all about turboing until TJMax so the more cooling you give the higher it can turbo, so it depends how much ur cooling budget goes. Apparently both claims to do up to 220W TDP so go for whichever.

I surveyed nearly a year for my PC built before I am thoroughly convinced of its specs vs price vs my needs, I suggest you take ur time to make sure you know what ur getting. Convince urself with facts no need others to convince you.

FYI Im not here to convince anyone which is why I used data, links, findings, by others to lay out the facts.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Mar 23 2023, 10:40 AM

If ur not going AIO or CLC better not get that Ksku version. 250W on stock and nearly 300W if you OC. Even FC140 & DH15 will have trouble to cool

HX1000 is not ATX3.0 so am not sure what future proofing are you looking at. You might want to get ATX3.0 certified PSU if want future proof.

And bear in mind nonK you will only get to 3466MHZ@G1 on the RAMs. Only Kskus has unlocked VCCSA that you can increase in order for 3600MHZ to run @G1.

Meaning you can get 3600MHZ XMP RAMS just that you have to tune down to manually 3466MHZ@G1 or else will have instability unless ur got lucky with silicon lottery.

If dun want hassle can just get 3200MHZ and run XMP auto. The only reason I'd got 3600MHZ RAM is to maximise the DDR4 speed threshold for nonK.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Mar 27 2023, 10:25 PM

I believe none of these are ATX3.0 certified ones.

Ur comparing the really budget Intel option vs the really expensive AMD option and ur conclusion is a RM600 difference. What do you expect from this?
Why not;
intel 13th gen + ddr5 vs R7000 + ddr5?
or
intel 13th gen + ddr4 vs R5000 + ddr4?

At least the systems & pricing are more comparable to each other.

FSP does make PSU for both so it could involves FSP as well

Bro, the 5.8k is he ady upgraded that to 970 Evo plus.

You upgraded some of their prebuild bog standard parts, well done.

But both specs I question why upgrade to Mortar Max wifi for such a low CPU? Want to BCLK OC? Sorry but Intel locked that for 13Gen nonK.

I also question the reason to get midrange RTX when their replacements are coming soon but the prices quoted by Ideal is still quite high.

Also why Giga PSU?

If I can afford it: intel 13th gen + ddr5

Get MSI Pro-A B760M is fine and will save you nearly RM 200. If you don't mind the slightly less features can also go for older Pro-A B660M which will save you approx RM 200.

Not worth buying midrange RTX now, if you can wait for 2nd half 2023, then hold ur buy until 4060 & 4070 launches.

Pre bundle? but i saw it was upgraded so was that from you? Otherwise the other brands (except Antec) is better. Giga PSU is a fire hazard.