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post Mar 30 2023, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Mar 30 2023, 01:20 PM)
Sifus...help needed here...i have 12th generation i7-12700 processor and looking for mobo.

Reuse: gfx, ram, psu, nvme ssd

I just want a stable and long reliability mobo, budget not really an issue but prefer to spend least as possible...

Only thing i may upgrade is the Gfx in future. Monitor will reuse 1440p monitor as well.

should i go for Asus or Asrock? B660 chipset should be sufficient right?

anyone can recommend? so far i see cheapest budget around RM600 for Asrock, and if i want to get good one such as Asus TUF, it will be RM900+

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What happen to ur Asus TUF Gaming H670-Pro Wifi D4 or rather why not go back to it?
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post Mar 30 2023, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Mar 30 2023, 01:45 PM)
this is 2nd setup...haha
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If you like the setup, H670 aint bad but if ur looking to get cheapest possible that can best run 12700, then MSI Pro B660M-A or the newer B760M or Asrock B660M PG Riptide or newer B760M PGR or Sonic.
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post Apr 1 2023, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 31 2023, 10:09 PM)
Just switch this card to 6800 XT at RM2.9kish

Core i5-13500 - 1138
Thermalright Frost Commander 140 - 269
MSI B760M-A Pro Wifi - 779
Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB DDR4-3600 kit - 410
Sapphire RX 6800 Pulse 16GB - 2449 (Better than RTX 3070 except Ray Tracing. Also with 16GB VRAM)
Kingston KC3000 1TB - 357
Corsair RM 850W - 649
Fractal Pop Air case - 355

RM6406 total (Shopee prices)
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i5-13500 max TDP is 150W, does it really need a FC140 to cool? Imho SE224XT/S will do just fine and OP can save Rm200, towards for that 6800XT
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post Apr 1 2023, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 1 2023, 04:44 PM)
More cores than i5-12600K. Should be hotter.
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Same PL2 TDP but 12600K is OCable so its temps can go higher than 13500. That more cores is just from Ecores which dont generate a lot of heat.
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post Apr 1 2023, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 1 2023, 10:38 PM)
No proper reviews for the cooling. 360mm is 62C, stock cooler is 100C. If you wanna keep pushing cheap coolers, be my guest. Putting cheap coolers with 12 cores CPU. LOL
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If we take FC140 is similar in class performance as NH-D15 then its only a couple of degrees lower than SE224XTS, all for far much more money
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10231/id-...d-Noise-Results
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post Apr 2 2023, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 1 2023, 11:21 PM)
You call that a lot more money. LOL

I'm not even recommending AIO.
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Bro. Rm 200 is a lot of money for budget builders and its halfway towards that 6800xt, and if OP goes for 3200MHZ RAM, lesser branded case, Transcend MTE220S 1TB, it could save another 200~300 and make that upgrade to 6800xt possible with the same money. If budget builders do not overspend to overkill, a lot performance value can be gained.
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post Apr 2 2023, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 2 2023, 09:11 AM)
If you actually read his post, start reply again.
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This was OP original post. I don't see any mention of asking for overkill CPU cooling or particular model of cooler tho...
QUOTE(Lebennin @ Mar 31 2023, 08:40 PM)
Hello sifus, looking for a rig for gaming, programming and game development

[Budget] RM6-7k

[Purpose] Gaming, programming and game development

[Hardwares that will be re-use] Mouse, keyboard

[Monitor resolution] QHD (2560 x 1440 ) 165HZ IPS

[Games & softwares that use frequently] Unreal Engine 5, Unity, Visual Studio 22

[Personal preferences] None

[Location] -
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post Apr 2 2023, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(targon @ Apr 2 2023, 12:09 PM)
There's some logic there. But one should not skimp on the cooler. Current mid range I5 parts definitely require better cooling, prereably with an AIO for them to shine.
Post pandemic, we don't get that past situation where a new gen gpu part, let's say rm3k will give u 40 - 50 % uplift compared to same 3k last gen part. Now they are priced equal in performance. (exception 3090/4090, cos nvidia has priced in 3090 at a premium when launched. So you won't  felt it with the 4090). Let's assume nvidia had priced the 3080 at a big premium (like the 3090) at launch, then everyone won't be making a fuss on 4080.

Planning a build now definitely is a MUST nowadays with cost and inflation in the picture.
Casing, Psu will last 5 - 10 years. So a one off cost. Even spending more here is worth it in the long run.
Cooler, Ssd, Ram will last few generations of upgrades. So one might want to invest here as well depending on budget.
Then we have the platform, cpu/mobo. Cost inflation in mobo is horrible. Be prepared to pay 800 - 900 for a reasonably good entry level board. And we have now a maximus Hero costing above 3k and those Extreme at above 5k then the Godlike near to 6k. Not long ago, the Godlike abt 2k+, Hero below 2k, the top Rampage Extreme less than 3k.
I am still using the Z690 Formula. Love its color scheme and I pay the same amount of what a Z790 Hero cost now. And there is none Z790 Formula. Won't be changing until meteor/arrow lake. Moral of the story, cost saved from changing platform (same cpu family), had plonked it down towards upgrading to better display monitor.
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Im not saying should underspec the CPU cooler ie using SE224XT(180W) for a 13700K with PL2 TDP 250W, but for nonK i5(PL2 TDP 150W) no need to overkill on cooling. Of course the higher range/capacity you go the better but also you pay more for that cooling headroom you dont use. Whatmore reviews shown that good budget coolers isnt that far off from top of the line cooler beasts.

If AIO can does about 50-60oC, and a FC140/D15 does about 60-70oC, and a more budget cooler like 224 will do about 70-80oC, still within max thermal threshold of that nonK CPU and you wont even feel the performance benefit going for better cooler. So why spend that extra money for nothing? Unless of course OP got say will upgrade CPU to something better in the future, then of course starting with a better cooler is worth the investment.

For nonK i5 the top option imho is SE207XT or PA120/SE, no need to overpay for cooling.

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 2 2023, 03:02 PM)
And it fits the budget with 6800 XT.
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Your original recommend was for the nonXT version, but if OP budget well on parts selection it could fit that 6800 XT into the same budget. OP wont feel the difference with better thermal headroom that the CPU cannot use but will feel the more performance from a better GPU.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 2 2023, 03:25 PM)
My original says change this GPU on this spec to 6800 XT.

Yes, it does. Prolonged gaming session. SE224 will heat up. With that 300W+ card dumping heat. Still searching for that charts. It's been a while since my SE 224 XT vs Mugen 5 debate.
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Hmmm.... I'd really love to see ur prolong usage heat data vs cooling performance. I have in mind a budget-ish cooler for my 12700F to run at max PL2 with just a little bit headroom to spare, but if ur data does show prolong usage will overwhelm a cooler that supposed to handle the CPU max TDP, then I might reconsider my option. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 2 2023, 06:46 PM)
Managed to find this. I've seen worse. This is only with 7700K and questionable game.
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https://www.eteknix.com/id-cooling-se-224-x...ooler-review/5/

Notice those giant coolers pulling low temps on gaming. Also, I would like to see The "crash" of us temps since it is pulling 16 threads.
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Interesting but kinda dated? Here is from Techpowerup using a more up to date 10900K (PL2 125W) showing just a 5oC

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QUOTE(Lebennin @ Apr 2 2023, 08:19 PM)
Thanks for the motherboard recommendations, also guess I'll be going for AMD with the GPU then.

On a side note I heard about a contact frame issue for LGA1700 is it something I need to be worried about?
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It depends on the cooler you plan to use. Some tower cooler will have convex base and this matches to the concave created by the ILM. Fitting the contact frame will not help or make it worse. However some tower coolers and most AIO have a flat base which will benefit from the bend correction to the CPU.

Best is to find out the flatness of ur cooler base and direction of curvature (if its present) before getting the frame.

At best it will lower a couple of oC so unless ur overclocker that needs the few temps lower, better dont take the risk.

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 2 2023, 11:11 PM)
Also, test at 22C ambient. Imagine 32-35C ambient here.
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Just add the difference in ambient temps to the cooler CPU temps. For SE224XT it hits around the 70-80oC mark about what to be expected from a budget cooler. Still way below TJMAX 100oC.

If worry too much, pay a bit more and get champion budget cooler



Still much cheaper than high end towers yet kicks its ass in performance.

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 3 2023, 07:24 PM)
Sadly, no stock. I would've recommended long ago. I don't recommend SE 224 XT because of PA 120 SE.

Now this one got stock.
https://shopee.com.my/-THERMALRIGHT-Peerles...e0-ab606c01f732
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Both PA120 & PA120SE lebih kurang sama in price & performance, so whichever pun boleh. But still the price is atas for a budget cooler. If looking at around RM 70-90, SE224XT/S is king in this segment and so far I havent seen a bad review yet.

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Apr 3 2023, 07:45 PM)
btw 13500 need b2b order ya.. tat only 1 got stock online 1 oso none dare to touch it yet.. famous kelam kabut now
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13500 is the new 12400 where the segment changover matters. Funny why Intel can be so poor in supplying a 'normal' i5 CPU when 12400/F seem to have no stock issues during its run.
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QUOTE(aliex87 @ Apr 4 2023, 05:01 PM)
hey thanks!

now that you said cooler is limited...I'm keen to get a casing with a proper cooler option. Can you help to recommend one? I really love lian li case but do let me know you preference too if its okay?

Oh, should I topup a little bit and get 3060 ti?

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If you don't mind full ATX tower, and if you don't mind going full hog with Arctic Liquid 2 420AIO, then the case to fit is Fractal Meshify 2 or LIAN LI Lancool III (needs some modification/adjustment).
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QUOTE(TheLegend27 @ Apr 4 2023, 06:09 PM)
want to ask for Zotac RTX 3060, 12700F proc, can recommend a budget power supply? thanks!! Probably within 400
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I got near similar setup using FSP HV Pro 650W Bronze.
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QUOTE(am_i_rulez @ Apr 5 2023, 08:53 AM)
can anyone recommend me a desktop (without monitor) with budget 2500-3000.
i'll be using ai generation, so need a rtx graphic card with at least 6gb vram (or others if suitable).

haven't being up to date to current hardware line up or the prices. thanks in advance.
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3k will only get you an RTX 3070Ti 8GB/3080 10GB alone for ur AI needs, whatmore the rest of the PC. Ur budget is impossible lah.
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QUOTE(am_i_rulez @ Apr 5 2023, 10:20 AM)
that's high end one right? how about older rtx 2060? can i make it work? i just simply google this one.

Or can just recommend me 2k desktop without graphic card but with ssd. I try find used gc to cut cost. Thanks.
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Im don't know about AI creation enough to say if that is okay or not, but with 4060 launching soon, that 2060 is gonna be 2 generations old. It has 6GB VRAM just barely scraping your minimum specs so I don't know how will it perform for you.

But I believe AI will need some impressive hardware and 2k just isn't enough in today's money. Use that 3k to get the PC TristanX had recommended (sans GPU) then save towards getting that RTX.
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QUOTE(TheLegend27 @ Apr 5 2023, 12:12 PM)
What about Cooler Master V2 MWE Bronze 750W?
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Bronze is Tier B, make sure you get those with product code [MPE-ACAAB]

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