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post Sep 14 2025, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Sep 14 2025, 08:29 AM)
Well, you have good and bad developers. There is no fixing that even with review bomb. You can only carry bad developers with your wallet.
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No, game performance issues are often a self created problem by the consumers - I don't know where it came from, but there is a weird stigma that PC gaming = run every games at max settings and complain on the Internet that the game is terribly optimized sweat.gif
I really wish more people understands PC graphic settings a bit better sweat.gif
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post Sep 14 2025, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Sep 14 2025, 08:34 AM)
No, game performance issues are often a self created problem by the consumers - I don't know where it came from, but there is a weird stigma that PC gaming = run every games at max settings and complain on the Internet that the game is terribly optimized  sweat.gif
I really wish more people understands PC graphic settings a bit better sweat.gif
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When developers pushing more than current hardware can handle. That is a problem. B4 need 5070 Ti for 1080p? Are you kidding me?

Don't blame the user, blame the developers. Probably trying to help AMD and Nvidia sell the cards by pushing unreasonable system requirements too.
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post Sep 14 2025, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Sep 14 2025, 08:54 AM)
When developers pushing more than current hardware can handle. That is a problem. B4 need 5070 Ti for 1080p? Are you kidding me?

Don't blame the user, blame the developers. Probably trying to help AMD and Nvidia sell the cards by pushing unreasonable system requirements too.
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The nicest part for PC gaming is that barring remasters/remakes, the game you buy will almost guaranteed to be a definitive version, unlike console titles which often require a next generation patch from the developers when a new console generation arrives icon_idea.gif
A lot of the negative discourse about PC game performance can be alleviated with a simple tweak: include a 'console equivalent' graphical setting in each game (see PC version of God of War). This should give a nice baseline of what performance gamers can expect from their machines, and those with more capable machines can use that setting to scale up to the level of performance/visual quality they desire icon_idea.gif
Another useful tweak is to put a warning for ultra graphical presets, informing gamers that this preset is intended for future hardware and may not run properly on current generation hardware icon_idea.gif

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post Sep 14 2025, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Sep 14 2025, 08:54 AM)
When developers pushing more than current hardware can handle. That is a problem. B4 need 5070 Ti for 1080p? Are you kidding me?

Don't blame the user, blame the developers. Probably trying to help AMD and Nvidia sell the cards by pushing unreasonable system requirements too.
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don't blame the developers, blame the c-suites.
the devs are only doing what they're good at, what they're hired for. to create mechanics, design levels, design characters and gameplays etc. using popular commercial game engine. JD only mentions have experience in UE5 on these specificities and that's all.

the c-suites don't want to hire dedicated individuals who are strong at code optimization which most game devs are not good at. too expensive.
the entire dev cycle has no room for further optimization and not enough time. as long as the code works, just ship. c-suites just keep pressuring the team about time constraints.

then the masses put the blame the devs, c-suites very happy because they can place the blame at the team instead of having accountability that they're at fault of bad direction and strategy. they're the one controlling all the directions and strategies behind the scene. all these directions and strategies lead to the devs down below need to have crunch time. even directors also no choice, they're kulis to the c-suites, the business higher-ups.

and the c-suites are damn glad that gaming channels and grifters put the blame on the devs. easy smokescreen and they can fire the team. and they can fire these teams many more times down the line.
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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Sep 14 2025, 01:43 PM)
don't blame the developers, blame the c-suites.
the devs are only doing what they're good at, what they're hired for. to create mechanics, design levels, design characters and gameplays etc. using popular commercial game engine. JD only mentions have experience in UE5 on these specificities and that's all.

the c-suites don't want to hire dedicated individuals who are strong at code optimization which most game devs are not good at. too expensive.
the entire dev cycle has no room for further optimization and not enough time. as long as the code works, just ship. c-suites just keep pressuring the team about time constraints.

then the masses put the blame the devs, c-suites very happy because they can place the blame at the team instead of having accountability that they're at fault of bad direction and strategy. they're the one controlling all the directions and strategies behind the scene. all these directions and strategies lead to the devs down below need to have crunch time. even directors also no choice, they're kulis to the c-suites, the business higher-ups.

and the c-suites are damn glad that gaming channels and grifters put the blame on the devs. easy smokescreen and they can fire the team. and they can fire these teams many more times down the line.
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Umm... not quite. Poor performing PC ports has always been a problem for many, many years, this is not new (see benchmarks on older PC titles), and is not entirely the fault of the execs icon_idea.gif
It's easy to put the blame of C-suites but the reality of the games industry, just like the real world, is a lot more nuanced and is not a black and white thing icon_idea.gif


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c-suites just keep pressuring the team about time constraints.
The problem is, any game delays = very expensive (especially in places like the US West Coast) and are often exhausting for everyone (basically from junior devs to execs), as all post launch stuff will get delayed too, which in turns harm sales sweat.gif
Also, it's a common myth that C suites are forcing developers to release 'unfinished' games - see Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order release for instance (EA's execs even wanted to delay the release, but Respawn denied) icon_idea.gif

I really wish the games industry can be more transparent, but the issue is any form of transparency from the industry will end up being branded as a corporate shill/propaganda, gamers these days can't trusted to behave themselves mega_shok.gif

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Sep 14 2025, 07:56 PM)
Umm... not quite.  Poor performing PC ports has always been a problem for many, many years, this is not new (see benchmarks on older PC titles), and is not entirely the fault of the execs icon_idea.gif
It's easy to put the blame of C-suites but the reality of the games industry, just like the real world, is a lot more nuanced and is not a black and white thing icon_idea.gif
The problem is, any game delays = very expensive (especially in places like the US West Coast) and are often exhausting for everyone (basically from junior devs to execs), as all post launch stuff will get delayed too, which in turns harm sales sweat.gif
Also, it's a common myth that C suites are forcing developers to release 'unfinished' games - see Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order release for instance (EA's execs even wanted to delay the release, but Respawn denied) icon_idea.gif

I really wish the games industry can be more transparent, but the issue is any form of transparency from the industry will end up being branded as a corporate shill/propaganda, gamers these days can't trusted to behave themselves  mega_shok.gif
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don't piss on kulis, aka the devs. if ur a kuli before, or is a kuli, ur aware of how difficult things are. regardless of how fat ur monthly payslip is. as long as ur not a boss on ur own, and u need to report to the higher up, and ur boss also has another higher up to report to, then kuli it is.
product manager, when they se UE5 bling2 and canggih (lumen and nanite turned on as easy as flipping a switch), would u think they'll make an epic in the backlog, spanning 4-6 sprints, 2 weeks per sprint, for optimization? no. even if the product manager comes from technical background. their job requires seeing in business lenses. business lenses means the longer it takes to market (TTM), the more cost is incurred (paying the operational cost). CPO is also keeping the PMs in check.

if I'm COO/CPO, I damn happy when people say lazy devs don't want to optimize game. I can just fire them (severance? no need la. VSS je. PIP also can). done deal, balance sheet canggih, I still get my bonus, but the ppl who have been fired by business decision? no bonus for them (more bonus on business side).

looking at the consensus today, most people blame the devs for being "lazy devs can't even optimize their trash game", rather than pinpointing all the strategies and operations laid down for the project. they are good at making things work, but optimization requires greatest talents which which require capable individuals, and they're bloody expensive, and that's the reality. the thing is - the strategies and operations are probably under NDA, so general gamers quite easy and blame the devs, that's the only thing that is apparent in a game development. ei, they're living paycheck to paycheck chasing their "dream job". turns out not dreamy after all.
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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 13 2025, 11:38 PM)
I see more likely is Ryzen Agesa instabilities in certain bios, a known issue that AMD has lesser stability than Intel. That video talked about his problems but didnt actually show it, so its a 'trust me bro' without showing proof.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Sep 14 2025, 08:34 AM)
No, game performance issues are often a self created problem by the consumers - I don't know where it came from, but there is a weird stigma that PC gaming = run every games at max settings and complain on the Internet that the game is terribly optimized  sweat.gif
I really wish more people understands PC graphic settings a bit better sweat.gif
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Lotsa big games gets released poorly optimised, hence needing high end GPU that requires >8 GB VRAM, which is why folks around keep hentam 8GB cards. But when a optimised game comes ie Clair Obscur or Metal Gear, you can comfortably still play with midrange 8GB GPUs.

Its not anybody in particular but game developers as whole that are at fault for us requiring such high specs GPU just to play their games. Also the fault of us consumers for expecting yearly releases of new COD but each is getting crappier than previous.
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RAM: Acer Predator Pallas II 32GB (16*2) DDR5-6000 CL30
SSD: LEXAR NM790 M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4×4 NVMe SSD 2TB
Cooler: THERMALRIGHT Peerless Assassin 120 SE
Power supply: Corsair RM850X 80PLUS GOLD ATX3.1 PCIE5.0
Casing: LIAN LI LANCOOL 217 MID-TOWER
Total ~ 4k

GPU: 5070ti (3.5-4k)
Monitor: 27" 1440p (2-3k) mostly single player games / movie / reading texts

Ok o not, building the top part first, GPU waiting durian fall, monitor seeking recommendation. Thanks

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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 15 2025, 04:33 PM)
PROCESSOR: AMD AM5 RYZEN 7 7800X3D 4.2GHZ/5.0GHZ 100MB 8C/16T
MAINBOARD: MSI AMD AM5 B650 B650M GAMING PLUS WIFI
RAM: Acer Predator Pallas II 32GB (16*2) DDR5-6000 CL30
SSD: LEXAR NM790 M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4×4 NVMe SSD 2TB
Cooler: THERMALRIGHT Peerless Assassin 120 SE
Power supply: Corsair RM850X 80PLUS GOLD ATX3.1 PCIE5.0
Casing: LIAN LI LANCOOL 217 MID-TOWER
Total ~ 4k

GPU: 5070ti (3.5-4k)
Monitor: 27" 1440p (2-3k) mostly single player games / movie / reading texts

Ok o not, building the top part first, GPU waiting durian fall, monitor seeking recommendation. Thanks
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Crap DRAMless SSD, instead go for DRAM type like S70 Blade, Legend 960 Max
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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 15 2025, 04:33 PM)
PROCESSOR: AMD AM5 RYZEN 7 7800X3D 4.2GHZ/5.0GHZ 100MB 8C/16T
MAINBOARD: MSI AMD AM5 B650 B650M GAMING PLUS WIFI
RAM: Acer Predator Pallas II 32GB (16*2) DDR5-6000 CL30
SSD: LEXAR NM790 M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4×4 NVMe SSD 2TB
Cooler: THERMALRIGHT Peerless Assassin 120 SE
Power supply: Corsair RM850X 80PLUS GOLD ATX3.1 PCIE5.0
Casing: LIAN LI LANCOOL 217 MID-TOWER
Total ~ 4k

GPU: 5070ti (3.5-4k)
Monitor: 27" 1440p (2-3k) mostly single player games / movie / reading texts

Ok o not, building the top part first, GPU waiting durian fall, monitor seeking recommendation. Thanks
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i come with tambah sikit

ryzen 7 9800x3d RM2,299
B850M MSI A wifi RM799
32GB TEAM T-FORCE DELTA RGB BLACK 2x16GB / 6000MHZ / CL 30-36-36-76 / LIFETIME WARRANTY RM499
2TB KC3000 RM699
1st player NGDP Gold 850W RM485
1st Player VT6 RM239
Frozen Horizon 360 BLACK ARGB RM499

RM5523


ryzen 7 9800x3d RM2,299
B850M MSI A wifi RM799
32GB 6000mhz acer pallas II CL30 RM549
2TB KC3000 RM699
1st player NGDP Gold 850W RM485
1st Player T7P RM239
thermalright pa120 SE RM150

RM5220

Ryzen 7 7800X3D RM1,559.00
B650m mortar wifi RM799.00
32gb 6000mhz pallas II cl30 RM559.00
1tb kc3000 RM475.00
1st player ndgp gold atx 3.1 850w RM485.00
1st player T7P RM249.00
thermalright pa 120 Se RM150.00
RM4,276.00

https://www.msi.com/Motherboards/Products#?...VBMVVMtV0lGSQ==

if got budget.. get a mobo with good sound codec

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Sep 16 2025, 01:14 PM)
i come with tambah sikit

ryzen 7 9800x3d RM2,299
B850M MSI A wifi RM799
32GB TEAM T-FORCE DELTA RGB BLACK 2x16GB / 6000MHZ / CL 30-36-36-76 / LIFETIME WARRANTY RM499
2TB KC3000 RM699
1st player NGDP Gold 850W RM485
1st Player VT6 RM239
Frozen Horizon 360 BLACK ARGB RM499

RM5523
ryzen 7 9800x3d RM2,299
B850M MSI A wifi RM799
32GB 6000mhz acer pallas II CL30 RM549
2TB KC3000 RM699
1st player NGDP Gold 850W RM485
1st Player T7P RM239
thermalright pa120 SE RM150

RM5220

Ryzen 7 7800X3D  RM1,559.00
B650m mortar wifi  RM799.00
32gb 6000mhz pallas II cl30  RM559.00
1tb kc3000  RM699.00
1st player ndgp gold atx 3.1 850w  RM485.00
1st player T7P  RM249.00
thermalright pa 120 Se  RM150.00
  RM4,500.00

https://www.msi.com/Motherboards/Products#?...VBMVVMtV0lGSQ==

if got budget.. get a mobo with good sound codec
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you sure kc3000 1tb is Rm699??

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Sep 16 2025, 01:14 PM)
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if got budget.. get a mobo with good sound codec
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I din dig into the sound part, thanks

QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Sep 15 2025, 11:56 PM)
Crap DRAMless SSD, instead go for DRAM type like S70 Blade, Legend 960 Max
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I thought its ok-ish comparable even dram-less, noted, thanks

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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 16 2025, 01:56 PM)
I din dig into the sound part, thanks
I thought its ok-ish comparable even dram-less, noted, thanks
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Nobody mention about, Samsung 980 pro yet..

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QUOTE(adamtayy @ Sep 16 2025, 01:44 PM)
you sure kc3000 1tb is Rm699??
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pls visit an optician ... 2TB la
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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 16 2025, 01:56 PM)
I din dig into the sound part, thanks
I thought its ok-ish comparable even dram-less, noted, thanks
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gaming plus wifi n A series.. all ALC897.. if u hv a cheapo speaker.. u sure suffer buzzing
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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Sep 16 2025, 03:18 PM)
pls visit an optician  ... 2TB la
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Your 3rd quote, Rm4500

1tb kc3000, but typo Rm699
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QUOTE(adamtayy @ Sep 16 2025, 03:21 PM)
Your 3rd quote, Rm4500

1tb kc3000, but typo Rm699
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gg.. i need see optician liao
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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 16 2025, 01:52 PM)
KC3000 safe ya for now?
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Do you feel lucky? I wouldnt touch it at this moment, and there are others just as good for similar price

QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 16 2025, 01:56 PM)
I din dig into the sound part, thanks
I thought its ok-ish comparable even dram-less, noted, thanks
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For bootdrive its still better to go with DRAM type as it does lotsa file swapping & writes. Maxio based SSD are pretty good as storage units tho

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