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babylon52281
post Sep 4 2025, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(jwgs @ Sep 3 2025, 06:42 PM)
Sifus,

Mostly gaming, some video editing:

CPU : Ryzen 7 7800x3d
Mobo: MSI B650 GAMING PLUS
RAM: 2x Acer Predator Pallas II 16GB DDR5-6000 CL30
SSD: Kingston KC3000 2TB
HDD: 1x for storage 3 TB / 4 TB
Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 140
PSU: Cooler Master MWE Gold 850W V3 ATX 3.1
Casing: Lian Li Lancool 207

GPU: 5070 Ti /9070 XT / 9070 undecided, I am thinking either 5070ti or 9070, is there a brand to avoid or just grab the cheapest? What would be the price range?

I am thinking of buying at the shop
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so they can assemble for me, then GPU on shopee for discount.

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JustIT & Dota has shopee/Laz webshops so you can buy from them online and ask to assembly it, GPU also they have in shoppee/Laz, can get all from them.

For GPU avoid Giga (all makes) as they use cheapo melting goop to replace thermal paste, go with AIB that uses PTM for the GPU core. Locally someone has poor experience with PNY due long delay for RMAing his GPU so maybe can avoid them if can.

For PSU thats a B+ rated, I think for the money can get other brands rated A tier like NGDP, Core Reactor 2, Hydro G/Pro/PTM/TI, etc

EDIT: For KL location can try find sifus here; Myway or Tristanx as their PC builders too.

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Sep 3 2025, 09:55 PM)
Using GPU cost per frame metric from Hardware Unboxed and based on Shopee prices:

1. Sapphire RX9070 XT Pulse (https://my.shp.ee/BNi8BES)  - RM3099, RM27.67/frame
2. Sapphire RX9070 Pulse (https://my.shp.ee/QvsdY4n) - RM2648, RM25.96/frame
3. Colorful RTX5070 Ti Battle Ax (https://my.shp.ee/QvsdY4n) - RM3559, RM30.42/frame

Relative to each other, the RX9070 offers around 17% better cost per frame over the 5070 Ti, and the XT model is about 10% better in terms of cost per frame  icon_idea.gif

If you do go for the Radeon card you will have to deal with the lower ray tracing and video encoding performance (it's still far superior to what the RX7000 series offers though) icon_idea.gif
However, do note that there is a driver update that boosts the Radeon performance quite a bit so keep this in mind icon_idea.gif

On the other hand, the 5070 Ti do offers better ray tracing performance and upscaling, so whether those features do justify the extra spending is up to you icon_idea.gif

P.S. you might want to avoid the MSI Shadow model, if the review of the MSI 5050 Shadow model by Hardware Unboxed is of any indication icon_idea.gif
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If add in, RT, DLSS 4 vs FSR4, and MFG, and if do encoding or apps via CUDA... 5070TI value goes above the Radeons. So do consider that as well. Pure raster perf only tells one side of story.
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post Sep 4 2025, 10:39 PM

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Is liquid cooler better or overrated?
Any downside for tray version of 7800X3D ?
Is it likely to have CPU & GPU price drop, like soon?

Thanks

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post Sep 5 2025, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 4 2025, 10:39 PM)
Is liquid cooler better or overrated?
Any downside for tray version of 7800X3D ?
Is it likely to have CPU & GPU price drop, like soon?

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Liquid is better but only 360 onwards.

Tray version usually for PC builders. Its the same. Warranty will be from the shop instead of manufacturer.

Price drop depends on ringgit and product releases. Intel rarely drops the prices. AMD will cut prices if there are better CPUs from Intel or AMD releases new CPUs.


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post Sep 5 2025, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 4 2025, 10:39 PM)
Is liquid cooler better or overrated?
Any downside for tray version of 7800X3D ?
Is it likely to have CPU & GPU price drop, like soon?

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Unless your doing some kinda OCing, yes its overrated. A good aircooler ie Frozn A620/720, TR PA120/140/ PS120 will handle even i9 at stock boosted speeds. And then the pump which will fail sooner than aircooler fans.
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post Sep 5 2025, 05:54 PM

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Nah, prob no any OC. Was thinking of exhaust for top side, the air coolers looks huge in size, takut block/affect the GPU

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post Sep 5 2025, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Sep 4 2025, 08:41 AM)
If add in, RT, DLSS 4 vs FSR4, and MFG, and if do encoding or apps via CUDA... 5070TI value goes above the Radeons. So do consider that as well. Pure raster perf only tells one side of story.
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Yes, but does it warrant the extra spending? RT is still not worth the large performance hit over its supposed visual improvements, and not everyone like FG either (aka fake frames) icon_idea.gif
Another point in favor of the 9070s is that most AIB models tend to use the good ol' 8 pin power connectors which tend to be a lot more reliable than the failure prone 12VHPWR/12V2x6 connector on the 5070s icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 4 2025, 10:39 PM)
Is liquid cooler better or overrated?
Any downside for tray version of 7800X3D ?
Is it likely to have CPU & GPU price drop, like soon?

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Is it likely to have CPU & GPU price drop, like soon?
You might want to wait for Shopee/Lazada 9.9 Sales in a few days - the RX9070XT used to retail for RM2.7K back in the 8.8 deal icon_idea.gif

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Is liquid cooler better or overrated?
Depends, but I would say a good air cooler would be a better fit due to better longevity - some AIOs can be susceptible to pump failures icon_idea.gif
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post Sep 6 2025, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 5 2025, 05:54 PM)
Nah, prob no any OC. Was thinking of exhaust for top side, the air coolers looks huge in size, takut block/affect the GPU
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Even chunggous D15 will just barely clear the thickest GPU backplate so so far I havent heard that big coolers can prevent GPU installs. Some go with AIO just for the looks coz dont like to see a big block inside (like a recent reco for 360AIO pair with 12400).
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Sep 5 2025, 06:51 PM)
Yes, but does it warrant the extra spending?  RT is still not worth the large performance hit over its supposed visual improvements, and not everyone like FG either (aka fake frames) icon_idea.gif
Another point in favor of the 9070s is that most AIB models tend to use the good ol' 8 pin power connectors which tend to be a lot more reliable than the failure prone 12VHPWR/12V2x6 connector on the 5070s icon_idea.gif
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At 5070TI perf yes, its worth to turn on all those features, MFG is depends on person doesnt really need it with its GPU grunt, but FG is getting better like DLSS once was bad before. 12V2x6 doesnt seem to be an issue with lower power cards, I would put 5070TI tops as the most safest since I havent heard it burnout yet.
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post Sep 6 2025, 07:45 AM

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When the next upgrade version (i.e SUPER series) of the GPU available, how much -% or -value on the current 5070Ti / 9070 / XT is expected?
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post Sep 6 2025, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 6 2025, 07:45 AM)
When the next upgrade version (i.e SUPER series) of the GPU available, how much -% or -value on the current 5070Ti / 9070 / XT is expected?
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No idea, but the 5070 Super should be a good competitor to the 9070, if Nvidia didn't screw up the pricing (knowing current GPU market it's going to happen anyway) sweat.gif
There's also the purported RX9070 GRE 16GB which should fit quite well between the 9070 and the 9060 XT (probably as a replacement for the 7800XT) icon_idea.gif

If the rumors are indeed accurate they should be releasing in September/October this year icon_idea.gif

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Jarrod's Tech did a analysis on the mobile RTX5070, which is analogous to a power limited 5060 Ti 8GB and explained why 8GB VRAM is largely unviable for AAA gaming without severe concessions to visual quality (even on laptops):



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post Sep 6 2025, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Sep 4 2025, 08:36 AM)
JustIT & Dota has shopee/Laz webshops so you can buy from them online and ask to assembly it, GPU also they have in shoppee/Laz, can get all from them.

For GPU avoid Giga (all makes) as they use cheapo melting goop to replace thermal paste, go with AIB that uses PTM for the GPU core. Locally someone has poor experience with PNY due long delay for RMAing his GPU so maybe can avoid them if can.

For PSU thats a B+ rated, I think for the money can get other brands rated A tier like NGDP, Core Reactor 2, Hydro G/Pro/PTM/TI, etc

EDIT: For KL location can try find sifus here; Myway or Tristanx as their PC builders too.
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Just to confirm, we can actually buy online and then request the same shop to assemble for us? No need to buy from physical shop for them to assemble it, right?

Also, is there any PC shop help assemble for PC part from multi source of purchased? What I mean is, if I buy CPU, Mobo, Graphic, Fan & PSU from seller, then I buy RAM, SSD & case my own. Can I ask seller A to assembly it, or got seller/shop that accept such request?
I don't mind pay for the assembly & test, and understand that some part will not have warranty support from the shop.

Sorry if my question look funny, coz I am not familiar with the Rig building.
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QUOTE(UnknownMy @ Sep 6 2025, 02:25 PM)
Just to confirm, we can actually buy online and then request the same shop to assemble for us? No need to buy from physical shop for them to assemble it, right?

Also, is there any PC shop help assemble for PC part from multi source of purchased? What I mean is, if I buy CPU, Mobo, Graphic, Fan & PSU from seller, then I buy RAM, SSD & case my own. Can I ask seller A to assembly it, or got seller/shop that accept such request?
I don't mind pay for the assembly & test, and understand that some part will not have warranty support from the shop.

Sorry if my question look funny, coz I am not familiar with the Rig building.
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Also, is there any PC shop help assemble for PC part from multi source of purchased? What I mean is, if I buy CPU, Mobo, Graphic, Fan & PSU from seller, then I buy RAM, SSD & case my own. Can I ask seller A to assembly it, or got seller/shop that accept such request?
If you are in Penang, I can help you with this - ask me via PM icon_idea.gif
Some shops do accept bring your own parts, but you will need to pay a build fee icon_idea.gif

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post Sep 6 2025, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(UnknownMy @ Sep 6 2025, 02:25 PM)
Just to confirm, we can actually buy online and then request the same shop to assemble for us? No need to buy from physical shop for them to assemble it, right?

Also, is there any PC shop help assemble for PC part from multi source of purchased? What I mean is, if I buy CPU, Mobo, Graphic, Fan & PSU from seller, then I buy RAM, SSD & case my own. Can I ask seller A to assembly it, or got seller/shop that accept such request?
I don't mind pay for the assembly & test, and understand that some part will not have warranty support from the shop.

Sorry if my question look funny, coz I am not familiar with the Rig building.
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The bigger ones with physical shops mostly do but you need to ask them first before placing the order. IIRC Dotatech was FOC if you buy all from them.

Which means your 2nd question is a bit more difficult as seller would have issues if found that your stuff got problem, whose at fault and are they liable to replace you then? SSD maybe still okay if your want to port your current windows to new PC but RAM, case, too better get from the same shop. Again, pls confirm with the shop before you place your order, screenshot those msgs just in case.
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Sep 6 2025, 06:01 PM)
If you are in Penang, I can help you with this - ask me via PM icon_idea.gif
Some shops do accept bring your own parts, but you will need to pay a build fee icon_idea.gif
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Ok, I understand that if ask shop to build with including own part sure need to pay, since the part is not buying from them.

QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Sep 6 2025, 07:34 PM)
The bigger ones with physical shops mostly do but you need to ask them first before placing the order. IIRC Dotatech was FOC if you buy all from them.

Which means your 2nd question is a bit more difficult as seller would have issues if found that your stuff got problem, whose at fault and are they liable to replace you then? SSD maybe still okay if your want to port your current windows to new PC but RAM, case, too better get from the same shop. Again, pls confirm with the shop before you place your order, screenshot those msgs just in case.
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Ok, I see. I will try check with the shop again when I am finally to place order.

Thanks both sifu for the answers notworthy.gif

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post Sep 8 2025, 11:24 AM

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Hi not urgently purchase. For gaming purpose. If something better coming out willing to wait.

Item will be reused Asus prime 9060xt, QHD monitor. Seasonic 1000w psu.

Budget 2k
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Sep 6 2025, 10:56 AM)
No idea, but the 5070 Super should be a good competitor to the 9070, if Nvidia didn't screw up the pricing (knowing current GPU market it's going to happen anyway) sweat.gif
There's also the purported RX9070 GRE 16GB which should fit quite well between the 9070 and the 9060 XT (probably as a replacement for the 7800XT) icon_idea.gif

If the rumors are indeed accurate they should be releasing in September/October this year icon_idea.gif
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Supers are supposedly coming out in time for Xmas season tho.
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post Sep 8 2025, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(Hezegroth @ Sep 8 2025, 11:24 AM)
Hi not urgently purchase. For gaming purpose. If something better coming out willing to wait.

Item will be reused Asus prime 9060xt, QHD monitor. Seasonic 1000w psu.

Budget 2k
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For RM 2K is tough! Reuse SSD & case too?

Can try

MSI B850M Pro-A / Gaming Plus Wifi (B650 version might be gone by that time)
2x16GB DDR5 6000 CL30 or lower
PA120SE or Frozn A620
AM5 R5 or better CPU depends on how much your budget still left (at least can upgrade to 9800x3d later)

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