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NecroPhilia
post Mar 16 2017, 09:11 PM

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Hello, it is possible to build a rig that consist of GTX1060 and small case with the budget of 3k?
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post Mar 16 2017, 09:31 PM

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Hey there, I thought of doing an upgrade to my PC

[Budget] About RM 2000

[Purpose] gaming. recent AAA titles with ultra settings and min 60fps on 1080p


[Hardwares that will be re-use] PSU (550 W), HDD (1 tb), 2x ssd Monitor

[Monitor resolution] 1080p

[Games & softwares that use frequently] games. deus ex, witcher 3, battlefield 1, gta v, tomb raider, far cry

Current specs:

Intel Core I5 3470
2x 4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
Asrock Z77E-ITX
r9 280x


planned for change gpu to gtx 1070. will it bottleneck my cpu a lot? if so what is an ideal upgrade for my current spec

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post Mar 16 2017, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(NecroPhilia @ Mar 16 2017, 09:11 PM)
Hello, it is possible to build a rig that consist of GTX1060 and small case with the budget of 3k?
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Small case as in MITX mobo?
shunkori
post Mar 16 2017, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Mar 15 2017, 09:08 AM)
No official price drop yet from Intel, at least in Malaysia. Don't get your hope too high here, we might not see any price drop after all  biggrin.gif
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tough luck then sad.gif I have 1 more question.
for gaming in max settings, do i really need a decent GPU? like those gpu that can clock? for example i5 7600 v it 7600k

mind to enlighten me the difference?
TristanX
post Mar 16 2017, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(NecroPhilia @ Mar 16 2017, 09:11 PM)
Hello, it is possible to build a rig that consist of GTX1060 and small case with the budget of 3k?
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Not enough. Case and SFX PSU alone already at this price

Silverstone ML08B - 339
Silverstone SFX 500W - 490

Unless you are fine with Coolermaster Elite 130 case.

QUOTE(synchronyzablemie @ Mar 16 2017, 09:31 PM)
Hey there, I thought of doing an upgrade to my PC

[Budget] About RM 2000

[Purpose] gaming. recent AAA titles with ultra settings and min 60fps on 1080p
[Hardwares that will be re-use] PSU (550 W), HDD (1 tb), 2x ssd Monitor

[Monitor resolution] 1080p

[Games & softwares that use frequently] games. deus ex, witcher 3, battlefield 1, gta v, tomb raider, far cry

Current specs:

Intel Core I5 3470
2x 4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3
Asrock Z77E-ITX
r9 280x
planned for change gpu to gtx 1070. will it bottleneck my cpu a lot? if so what is an ideal upgrade for my current spec
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You can get GTX1070 but i5 will bottleneck it. You gotta go for i7 or AMD Ryzen if you want GTX 1070.

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post Mar 16 2017, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 16 2017, 09:42 PM)
Not enough. Case and SFX PSU alone already at this price

Silverstone ML08B - 339
Silverstone SFX 500W - 490

Unless you are fine with Coolermaster Elite 130 case.
You can get GTX1070 but i5 will bottleneck it. You gotta go for i7 or AMD Ryzen if you want GTX 1070.
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So what is the best possible way of upgrading my pc. Will the bottlenecking will affect my pc performance a lot?
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post Mar 16 2017, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(shunkori @ Mar 16 2017, 09:36 PM)
tough luck then sad.gif I have 1 more question.
for gaming in max settings, do i really need a decent GPU? like those gpu that can clock? for example i5 7600 v it 7600k

mind to enlighten me the difference?
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It depends on the resolution you game at and the type of games you play. Some games like GTA V require a strong CPU as well as decent GPU. Most will require GPU. Remember though, a low end CPU will bottleneck a high end GPU
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QUOTE(synchronyzablemie @ Mar 16 2017, 09:51 PM)
So what is the best possible way of upgrading my pc. Will the bottlenecking will affect my pc performance a lot?
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Look for second hand i7-3770. You can still go for GTX 1070 but it will bottleneck on certain games. I think most games should work fine though. Current generation CPUs needs you to change motherboard and RAM as well.
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post Mar 16 2017, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Mar 10 2017, 11:20 AM)
Dota 2, CS:GO (and other heavy single core application or single threaded application) runs faster on a CPU with higher core clock speed, i.e. i3 7100's 3.9GHz will beat i5 7400's 3.5GHz in those games, but when it comes with multicore or multithreaded application, i5 7400 will lead once again.

Rise of the Tomb Raider favors Nvidia GPU, even in DX12 mode, with the recent driver update (378.78), performance is boosted even more for this games in DX12 mode (they claim to have 20%+ for 10 series GPU).

Intel Core i5 7400 - RM 835
Asus H110I-PLUS - RM 380
G.SKill Aegis 8GB DDR4 2133MHz RAM - RM 289
Gigabyte RX470 4GB GDDR5 G1 Gaming - RM 989 <Cheapest GTX1060 3GB is 1.2k at Idealtech so I will have to use RX470 to replace it>  sweat.gif
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 219
Shark Zone C10 - RM 199

Total: RM 3130 (Idealtech price inclusive of GST)

Another build with GTX1060 3GB from ETECH:

Intel Core i5 7400 - RM 854
ASRock H110M-ITX - RM 283
G.SKill Aegis 8GB DDR4 2133MHz RAM - RM 255
Zotac GTX1060 3GB GDDR5 Mini - RM 989
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 195
CM Elite 110 - RM 158

Total: RM 2953 (ETECH price inclusive of GST)
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Can I simply swap CM Elite 110 with Shark Zone C10 for this build?

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Another build with GTX1060 3GB from ETECH:

Intel Core i5 7400 - RM 854
ASRock H110M-ITX - RM 283
G.SKill Aegis 8GB DDR4 2133MHz RAM - RM 255
Zotac GTX1060 3GB GDDR5 Mini - RM 989
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 195
CM Elite 110 - RM 158
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post Mar 16 2017, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(shunkori @ Mar 16 2017, 09:36 PM)
tough luck then sad.gif I have 1 more question.
for gaming in max settings, do i really need a decent GPU? like those gpu that can clock? for example i5 7600 v it 7600k

mind to enlighten me the difference?
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Er wait, you are talking about CPU right? If yes then it depends on the games, if it is heavy in CPU then you will benefit from a faster CPU, K or non-K don't matter if you don't overclock it but K series CPU is generally faster than non-K due to higher stock core clock speed.

QUOTE(hoxxaf @ Mar 16 2017, 11:17 PM)
Can I simply swap CM Elite 110 with Shark Zone C10 for this build?
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Yes you can, just have to make sure the seller/retailer got carry this specific casing.
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post Mar 17 2017, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(richard912 @ Mar 16 2017, 10:23 PM)
It depends on the resolution you game at and the type of games you play. Some games like GTA V require a strong CPU as well as decent GPU. Most will require GPU. Remember though, a low end CPU will bottleneck a high end GPU
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i see. thanks for the info! biggrin.gif

QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Mar 16 2017, 11:59 PM)
Er wait, you are talking about CPU right? If yes then it depends on the games, if it is heavy in CPU then you will benefit from a faster CPU, K or non-K don't matter if you don't overclock it but K series CPU is generally faster than non-K due to higher stock core clock speed.
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yeah, sorry sorry wasn't thinking properly yesterday tongue.gif. that's the thing. I'm not sure will i overclock or not. am new to the overclocking thing and would like to expore more scare if I overclock
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post Mar 17 2017, 10:25 AM

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Hi sifus, is there any significant difference when it comes to 3D/game engine rendering on i7 non-K and K processors? (i7-7700 and i7-7700K in this case)

Planning to get the K variant since it offers faster clocking speed than non-K but since my mobo budget is only around RM500, is it totally fine to go for B250/H270 chipset mobo?

P/S: I don't really plan to overclock the processor since i simply want to play safe (heard that overclocking decreases the processor lifespan)
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post Mar 17 2017, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(shunkori @ Mar 17 2017, 09:28 AM)
i see. thanks for the info! biggrin.gif
yeah, sorry sorry wasn't thinking properly yesterday tongue.gif. that's the thing. I'm not sure will i overclock or not. am new to the overclocking thing and would like to expore more scare if I overclock
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In order to go for overclocking path, you need to prepare some "extra" budget for the components, an overclocked mobo (Z270 for latest Intel chipset or X370/X300/B350 for AMD AM4), a decent after market CPU cooler (new K CPU doesn't come with stock cooler anymore, even if it does include a stock cooler, it still couldn't cope with the amount of heat dissipated), a supported PSU (just make sure it is stable when you overclock) and etc.

If you're limited on budget, don't ever think of overclocking, the performance/price ratio is bad generally.
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post Mar 17 2017, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(richard912 @ Mar 16 2017, 12:00 PM)
From an i5 4460 to an i7 7700, there will definitely be an improvement for performance. You can check this.

A possible wallet-friendly upgrade is to trade up your i5 4460 to an i7-4790 or an i7 4790K if your existing mobo supports OC.
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Thanks with the useful link.
Another noob question to ask, is the i7 7700 can support a ddr3 motherboard?
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post Mar 17 2017, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(REManiac @ Mar 17 2017, 10:25 AM)
Hi sifus, is there any significant difference when it comes to 3D/game engine rendering on i7 non-K and K processors? (i7-7700 and i7-7700K in this case)

Planning to get the K variant since it offers faster clocking speed than non-K but since my mobo budget is only around RM500, is it totally fine to go for B250/H270 chipset mobo?

P/S: I don't really plan to overclock the processor since i simply want to play safe (heard that overclocking decreases the processor lifespan)
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Yes quite significant and worth the extra RM 100+ for 7700K, the stock speed difference is 0.6GHz when turbo boost is off (4.2G vs 3.6G) and the most important thing is quad core turbo boost on 7700K can stay at 4.4G while 7700 can only manage to do 4.0G, but bear in mind you will need to spend extra for an after market CPU cooler too because 7700K doesn't come with stock cooler.

QUOTE(Ultraman123 @ Mar 17 2017, 10:40 AM)
Thanks with the useful link.
Another noob question to ask, is the i7 7700 can support a ddr3 motherboard?
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You need to look for previous generation chipset (namely H110/B150/H170/Z170) with DDR3 RAM slot to use DDR3 RAM with i7 7700.
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QUOTE(Ultraman123 @ Mar 17 2017, 10:40 AM)
Thanks with the useful link.
Another noob question to ask, is the i7 7700 can support a ddr3 motherboard?
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As Terence mentioned, you will need to get older mobo that supports DDR3 for this purpose. Unless your plan revolves around reusing existing DDR3 that you may have, it is actually better to get on the current DDR4 platforms. You could always sell your DDR3 in GS
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Mar 17 2017, 10:44 AM)
Yes quite significant and worth the extra RM 100+ for 7700K, the stock speed difference is 0.6GHz when turbo boost is off (4.2G vs 3.6G) and the most important thing is quad core turbo boost on 7700K can stay at 4.4G while 7700 can only manage to do 4.0G, but bear in mind you will need to spend extra for an after market CPU cooler too because 7700K doesn't come with stock cooler.
You need to look for previous generation chipset (namely H110/B150/H170/Z170) with DDR3 RAM slot to use DDR3 RAM with i7 7700.
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QUOTE(richard912 @ Mar 17 2017, 11:10 AM)
As Terence mentioned, you will need to get older mobo that supports DDR3 for this purpose. Unless your plan revolves around reusing existing DDR3 that you may have, it is actually better to get on the current DDR4 platforms. You could always sell your DDR3 in GS
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OK thanks guys, will get a new motherboard combo with i7.. as well as the ddr4 ram.
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Mar 17 2017, 10:44 AM)
Yes quite significant and worth the extra RM 100+ for 7700K, the stock speed difference is 0.6GHz when turbo boost is off (4.2G vs 3.6G) and the most important thing is quad core turbo boost on 7700K can stay at 4.4G while 7700 can only manage to do 4.0G, but bear in mind you will need to spend extra for an after market CPU cooler too because 7700K doesn't come with stock cooler.
Ah i see, any budget CPU cooler recommended? Do i have to invest on thermal paste as well?
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Mar 17 2017, 10:29 AM)
In order to go for overclocking path, you need to prepare some "extra" budget for the components, an overclocked mobo (Z270 for latest Intel chipset or X370/X300/B350 for AMD AM4), a decent after market CPU cooler (new K CPU doesn't come with stock cooler anymore, even if it does include a stock cooler, it still couldn't cope with the amount of heat dissipated), a supported PSU (just make sure it is stable when you overclock) and etc.

If you're limited on budget, don't ever think of overclocking, the performance/price ratio is bad generally.
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Yeah, I am aware of that. This is what I planning for my rig

Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
z170 or z270 mobo.

Not sure if I should push higher for z270 or 170. my budget is around 5k +-
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QUOTE(shunkori @ Mar 17 2017, 12:13 PM)
Yeah, I am aware of that. This is what I planning for my rig

Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
z170 or z270 mobo.

Not sure if I should push higher for z270 or 170. my budget is around 5k +-
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Cost of Z270 vs Z170 mobo is not too overly different. Better to be current since you are going into KabyLake. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish

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