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post Apr 15 2017, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(skullker @ Apr 15 2017, 02:47 PM)
[Budget] - 2000

[Purpose] - Gaming

[Hardwares that will be re-use] - Nothing

[Monitor Preference] - Any 22-24 inch IPS will do

[Games & softwares that use frequently] - Just any games

[Personal Preference] - Ryzen 5 and AMD cards ( RED FTW ! )
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You need to increase your budget, it is not enough to fit all the components.

22" - 24" IPS monitor - around RM 500
Ryzen 5 1400 - around RM 800 (cheapest available Ryzen CPU in Malaysia now)
RX460 2GB - around RM 550 (cheapest RX400 series)

As you can see, the total cost is already nearly 2k with just 3 items in the cart sweat.gif

QUOTE(tongaz86 @ Apr 15 2017, 06:31 PM)
Will sacrifice some setting for better FPS. SSD is just for window & some games. If I upgrade latter from HDD to SSD will it be hard to transfer?
I will be getting the 3GB variants. If I lower my CPU to i3 will there be a bottleneck? (i3 7100)
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If you buy a 240GB SSD in the future and you have a 1TB HDD with 800GB of files then you need to choose which files to migrate over to the new SSD, or just format the whole PC again (this is recommended to reduce the chance of having symlinks issue after data migration).

Regarding the CPU, it depends on games, some games don't require i5 to run smoothly but some do, i5 is a safer bet in this case (you can downgrade to i5 7400/7500 to save cost, they are very close in terms of performance).
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post Apr 15 2017, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(skullker @ Apr 15 2017, 09:10 PM)
Then how much do i need to increase my budget? 2.5k or 3k will be enough?
And also listed the complete ryzen 5 ( minimum budget ) rig. TQ and sorry if too much question.
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If you want to run games at relatively high settings, then prepare at least 3k (just for the rig) and another 500 for the monitor.

QUOTE(tongaz86 @ Apr 15 2017, 10:17 PM)
How about ram? Do i get the highest MHz that I can support or just anything. Also what the difference with those fancy looking colorful ram and just plain naked?
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Only Z270 (for Intel latest consumer grade chipset) supports RAM speed of > 2400MHz currently, so just get 2133MHz or 2400MHz RAM for other chipset (H270 & B250 support 2400MHz, H110 & B150 & H170 support up to 2133MHz only).

Speed and latency matter the most, those fancy RGB/LED lighting don't bring any performance improvement one, if they are having similar speed and latency count then just get the cheapest one if you want to save cost.
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post Apr 17 2017, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(Xiang_flutist @ Apr 16 2017, 11:17 PM)
My 2 years old laptop is barely holding on now and I am currently looking to get a rig to replace it . I am total newbie in building a pc and would appreciate it if you guys could suggest me a set up and where to buy them. Thanks!

[B][Budget] Below 6k (preferably lesser than 5.5k if possible but can stretch to 6k depending on value/necessity/attractive specs)

[Purpose] Gaming and University work

[Hardwares that will be re-use] None ( except mouse and keyboard)

[Monitor resolution] At least FHD?

[Games & softwares that use frequently] Games : Currently mainly dota2, csgo, and fifa. Planning to play GTA V, playerunknown's battleground, Total War series and some newer games
                                                                      with this pc. (medium to high settings at 1080p)
                                                        Software : Engineering software like CAD and pspice. Doing programming as well and may run virtual machine.

[Personal preferences]Intel and nvidia cpu and gpu

[Location]KL
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Intel Core i7 7700 - RM 1421
Gigabyte H270-HD3 - RM 515
G.SKill Aegis 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2400MHz RAM - RM 570
Zotac GTX1060 6GB GDDR5 AMP! SE - RM 1348
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD - RM 474
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
Tecware Alpha - RM 219
ViewSonic VA2419-SH IPS - RM 525

Total: RM 5291 (ETECH price inclusive of GST)
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post Apr 17 2017, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 17 2017, 08:43 AM)
You forgot power supply

How about these?

Core i7-7700 - 1399
Gigabyte B250M-D3H - 449
Corsair 8GB DDR4-2133 X2 - 520
Gigabyte GTX 1060 6GB DDR5 - 1300
Kingston UV400 120GB - 239
WD Blue (go for 7200rpm only) or Seagate 1TB - 212
Super Flower Leadex Gold 550W - 429
Corsair Spec case - 299
Acer R241Y 23.8" monitor - 649

RM5496 total (C-Zone prices)
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post Apr 17 2017, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(Xiang_flutist @ Apr 17 2017, 02:22 PM)
Thanks for the suggestions! looks good. But don't I need a cooler of some sort as well for these set up? And how much would it cost if I need windows installed as well?
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The CPU comes with Intel HSF which is enough for non-overclocking build (unless bad temperature).

The case that I've recommended comes with 3 casing fans (2 front & 1 rear), should be enough for now, you can add more if needed.

Windows 10 Home OEM costs around RM 200+ (RM 500+ for retail version), if you want to save money, go to Garage Sales or lelong/mudah.my and hunt for cheap genuine key (beware of counterfeit key though).

QUOTE(beebee @ Apr 17 2017, 02:24 PM)
Guys going for mitx build, should i go ryzen 5 or just i5? cant find any mitx board for Ryzen yet, stuff i'll reuse, Monitor, Keyboard and Mouse, 256GB SSD & GTX670. Please let me know if the below items is compatible with each other?

(Price from Viewnet)
CORE I5 7500 - 919
Asrock H270M-ITX/AC - 549
Kingston D4 16GB PC2133 - 499
Noctua NH-L9i - ???
Silverstone STRIDER GOLD SFX 450W - 449
Silverstone ML08 - ???

Should be around RM3k for the build, is this build ok? Or any other alternative?
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ITX board for AMD Ryzen platform is not available yet (unreleased).

All the items listed by you are compatible with each other.
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post Apr 18 2017, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(demetry @ Apr 18 2017, 10:21 AM)
lol ok. which store can buy ryzen 5 now and price?  biggrin.gif
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All major retailers have Ryzen 5 in stock already.

AMD Ryzen 5 1600 - RM 1039 SRP
AMD Ryzen 5 1400 - RM 819 SRP

AMD Ryzen 5 1600X and 1500X will arrive later.

QUOTE(ssxcool @ Apr 18 2017, 10:48 AM)
guys, if i buy mobo lga1151 now can support ddr3 ram? want to upgrade one at a time

edit: and i5 4460
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Yep, look for previous generation chipset like H110/B150/H170.

But i5 4460 is running on LGA1150 socket so you cannot fit it on a LGA1151 mobo.
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post Apr 18 2017, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Apr 18 2017, 03:33 PM)
hi terence_nwb

how do u check if mobo is compatible with gpu or not? since u said mine can just upgrade rx480 without changing any parts, can i still go with rx 580? saw the price it's quite affordable.
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It is supported as long as the mobo comes with PCIe 3.0 x16 slot (2.0 is ok too) and yes your mobo does come with PCIe 3.0 x16 slot so you can upgrade to any modern GPU in the market now without changing your existing mobo.
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post Apr 19 2017, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(xHj09 @ Apr 18 2017, 09:23 PM)
ok thanks!  notworthy.gif

another question

which is a better brand for amd ? i see sapphire nitro+ rx 580 rm1.4k, msi rm1.2k  hmm.gif
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It's up to your own personal preferences, they are equally good in my opinion, just get the one that you like the most in terms of design, card cooling performance as well as pricing etc.
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post Apr 19 2017, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(demetry @ Apr 19 2017, 04:25 PM)
hi all,,

saw youtube video showing ryzen can only support ddr4 and max freq 2400Mhz?
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DDR4 only: Yes.

Max frequency 2400MHz: Not entirely, stock speed is 2400MHz (min achievable speed), some higher end Ryzen CPU do support 2666MHz natively, but RAM overclocking on Ryzen is still lagging behind Intel's capability.
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post Apr 21 2017, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(pacatU13 @ Apr 20 2017, 06:29 PM)
Guys... need your  opinion..
This is my current setup...

Intel Xeon E1230V2
Asus P8B75-M
G,Skill Ares 1600 Cl9 8GB
Sapphire 7770
650 watt psu

Is there any point of upgrading the mobo @ gc@ ram for better performance? Is my proc is outdated already?

If not, do suggest model to optimize my cpu performance with the existing proc.. thanks a bunch..  :thumbsup:
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No need to upgrade if you are satisfied with the current performance.
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post Apr 21 2017, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(pacatU13 @ Apr 21 2017, 04:16 PM)
Satisfaction is subjective... i just want to know if there any way to increase performance such as change better gc or anything else..
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Everyone has different satisfaction, if you don't feel slow at all then why go for an upgrade? You need to question yourself first "Am I okay with the current performance? Like the settings that I can run in games, the frame rates that I can get from my current setup, the time needed to finish a video render and so forth".

You never state out the purpose of your rig initially so it is hard to give any plain recommendation after all. The processor is still one of the fastest out there (on par with i7 4790), if you are a gamer and craving for more frame rates then you should upgrade the GPU.
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QUOTE(Andzt @ Apr 25 2017, 01:29 AM)
Hi, can I get some recommendations:

[Budget] RM2000~RM2500

[Purpose] Casual gaming, movies streaming

[Hardwares that will be re-use] Mouse, Keyboard, Monitor

[Monitor resolution] 1920x1080

[Frequently used games & softwares] DOTA 2

[Personal preferences] AMD A10 7890K

[Location] KL

Thanks a lot.
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i3 is faster than A10 7890K, no point getting the old CPU when you aren't re-using a FM2+ mobo.

Intel Core i3 7100 - RM 515
Asus H110M-K - RM 259
Kingston 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 254
Palit GTX1050 2GB GDDR5 StormX - RM 544
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
FSP Hexa+ 450W - RM 185
Tecware F3 - RM 125

Total: RM 2101 (ETECH price inclusive of GST)
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post Apr 26 2017, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(xtreme_xplosive @ Apr 26 2017, 12:05 AM)
gais,help!

Intel i7 7700
kingston 8GB ddr4 ram 2400mhz
asrock b250 pro4 lga 1151
zotac gtx1060 6gb
w.d blue 1tb hdd
corsair vs550 80+ psu
segotep the wind case
24" ips

is this specs ggood?tq
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Not bad, but the PSU selection can be further improved if you have more budget.

And 24" IPS without stating the model name?
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post Apr 26 2017, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(starz92 @ Apr 25 2017, 02:36 PM)
Hi,
I am just on the planning stage for my desktop setup from scratch. (require an estimate budget)
Mainly will use for gaming, web browsing, and little bit of video editing/ photoshop.

As for gaming, I will mainly use it on online game and some AAA title with max setting. Monitor wise, the monitor I am looking for 4k g-synch hdr monitor which I don't think available in market as of now.

Would appreciate a rough setup for my future desktop.
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This could cost a lot.

i7 or Ryzen 7 - around 1.5k+
A decent mobo - around 600+/-
16GB DDR4 RAM - around 600+/-
GTX1080Ti 11GB G5X - around 4000+/-
240GB SATA SSD - around 500+/-
1TB SATA HDD - around 225+/-
A decent 500W - 600W PSU - around 500+/-
Casing of your own choice - around 500+/-
Monitor - estimate to be around 5000
Misc (keyboard, mouse, speaker, cooler, casing fan, LED strip etc.) - around 500+/-

Total up will be around 14k laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Savor_Savvy @ Apr 26 2017, 09:06 AM)
Sifus, worth to upgrade my rig now? Specs in my siggy. Budget around RM5k for CPU, MB, Ram, GPU.
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For me, it is not really a good time to upgrade now due to bad forex rate unless you are looking for more performance (or feeling unsatisfied with the current performance).
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QUOTE(demetry @ Apr 26 2017, 11:22 AM)
I think psu need to be upgraded due to 1080ti
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GTX1080Ti peak power consumption is around 250W only, still got plenty of juice left for other components.
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QUOTE(Moridin @ Apr 27 2017, 09:52 AM)
Dear sifus

requesting a mitx cpu built without gpu/monitor with budget of 5k mainly for gaming purpose in future.

Thanks
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5k budget for a rig without GPU and monitor is TOOOOO MUCH unless you plan to go for overclockable setup. There are many mITX casings in the market, some are very small while some are quite (or too) big to be called as SFF casing, you need to be specific on your casing requirements so I can recommend the parts properly. The build below is based on Fractal Design Nano S casing (medium size mITX).

Intel Core i7 7700 - RM 1397
Gigabyte H270N-WiFi - RM 615
G.SKill Aegis 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2400MHz RAM - RM 570
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD - RM 474
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
EVGA SuperNova 550 G2 - RM 459
Fractal Design Nano S - RM 339

Total: RM 4073 (ETECH price inclusive of GST)
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QUOTE(Moridin @ Apr 27 2017, 02:27 PM)
Dear Terence

thanks for your suggestion. the casing im intending to use is the node202. i am planning to oc in the future with a GeForce GTX1080 FE.
My planning was this built
Intel Core i7 7700K
Asus Rog Strix Z270I
Noctua NH-L9i
Corsair LPX 16GB DDR4 3000Mhz
Samsung 850 Evo 500GB
just wondering if i should change to a better casing and lost on the psu and would it require better cooling.
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The airflow of Node 202 is dreadful, get a better casing if overclocking is a must, otherwise just stick with non-overclocking setup.

QUOTE(NubPro @ Apr 27 2017, 03:08 PM)
I wanna build a complete PC that is capable of handling day to day accounting task(Word, Excel, you know the simple stuff)

Budget: 2K or less

It should include the following:
CPU
Power supply
Case
RAM
Motherboard
A monitor

Is it necesary to include a GPU in this case?
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GPU is not needed for your usage.

Intel Pentium G4560 - RM 244
Asus H110M-K - RM 259
Kingston 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 254
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
FSP Hexa+ 450W - RM 185
Tecware F3 - RM 125
AOC I2280SWD IPS - RM 405

Total: RM 1691 (ETECH price inclusive of GST)

Optional part: SSD

QUOTE(seichirosano @ Apr 27 2017, 04:26 PM)
guys is this build alright?

cpu: ryzen 5 1500x
mobo: asrock x370 gaming k4 or asrock killer sli?
psu: leadex ii gold 650w or evga g3?
ram: corsair vengeance lpx 2666mhz 8gb x1 (may add another stick in future)
gpu: nitro+ rx 580 8gb
ssd: 850 evo 120gb
hhd: toshiba 1tb
case: fractal design define c with window

my question is about the fractal define c case, as it comes with front and back 120mm. i want to add another 120mm in front of the case, but should i add 120mm or 140mm? so the front of the case will be 120mm (top and btm) or (120mm top and 140mm btm)
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140mm if you want higher airflow (CFM), 120mm if you prefer similar casing fan size for aesthetic purpose.
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QUOTE(seichirosano @ Apr 27 2017, 08:22 PM)
will it disrupt the airflow if one is bigger than another? like cant push up or down and exhaust to the rear?
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Hard to notice the difference since airflow is quite subjective, it is prone to environment change, the position of the hardware installed in the casing and etc.

If you have more budget to spare, move the included 120mm front casing fan to top as exhaust and buy two new 140mm/120mm casing fans and install them as front intake biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tongaz86 @ Apr 28 2017, 02:33 PM)
Planning

MSI GTX 1060 6GB - RM1169
INTEL i5 7500 - RM897
Asrock B250 Pro4 - RM420
Kingston HyperFury DDR4 8GB - RM284
Sandisk SSD Plus 240GB - RM323
Seagate Baracuda 1T - RM188
Cooler Master Elite V2 450w - RM168
Cooler Master Silencio 452 - RM235

Total - RM3684 ( Lelong )

MSI RX580 8GB - RM1248
Ryzen 5 1600 - RM1016
Asrock B350 Pro4 - RM415
Corsair Vengeance LPXDDR4 8GB-RM284
Samsung 850 Evo SSD 250GB - RM451
Seagate Baracuda 1T - RM188
CORSAIR CX650M - RM323
Cooler Master Master Case 5 - RM424

Total - RM4349 (Lelong)

Zotac GTX 1060 3GB - RM898
Intel i3 6100 - RM495
Asrock H110M-DVS R2.0 - RM238
Corsair Value DR44 ram 4GBx2 - RM220
Sandisk 120GB 2.5' SSD Plus - RM200
Seagate Baracuda 1T - RM188
Corsair VS450w - RM154
Aigo Casing Blade 2 - RM98

Total - RRM2491 (Lelong)
Will be gaming on max setting 1080p. Which better choice? Anything bad or miss matched? 1st time building a rig.

Game of choice - Total War Franchise , World of Tank , Ship etc2 ,
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The total cost difference is quite big, from 2.5k to 3.7k to 4.3k sweat.gif

Really hard to recommend anything if your budget range is too wide (or too flexible), it is better to fix an amount (or max budget) and build the rig based on it.
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