As long as not Powercolour. They are the makers of Radeon MBAs.

Can't the shop do bios flash for you? Imo by now mobos should able to support all the latest CPUs from the last gen, these are outdated stuff after all, unless the mobo stock from seller is really old and not support out of the box.

Even the B660 mobos I saw in shops got sticker says it supports 13 gen, so I'd assume for AMD its the same.

PS A quick check in Asrock site says that mobo with bios from [U]2021[U] will support 5000Gs natively so it begs the question how old was the sellers mobo stocks if it does not support that CPU out of the box. Mind you the latest bios rev was less than 1 month ago.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Apr 12 2023, 08:42 AM

Check CPU QVL list then cross reference to BIOS release list... I did some extensive reading to understand on Asrock site references for my own mobo so it was easy.

A rig with the best gaming CPU right now cannot be considered midrange lar nor will just released new products be cheap in anyway unless ur in USA. Only way for these to be affordable is to get them right before or just when the new family is about to or has just launched.

No Gen5 on either PCIEX16 nor M2 slots. If wanna spend that much, might as well future proof by getting a mobo with either or both is Gen5. Or B650E or X670 nonE range?

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Apr 15 2023, 11:48 AM

Spending nearly 10k with no futureproof? That is poor/lazy mobo choice sorry to say.

But that is not ur fault, paying 1k for a mobo with such poor features is a thing with overpriced AM5 platform.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Apr 15 2023, 01:14 PM

Unlike Intel, just about the most cheapest & basic B650 mobo is sufficient in the VRM dept
https://www.techspot.com/review/2633-amd-b650-motherboards/

VRM is no longer the issue, features & specs are the key here.

But if talking about value for money, similar priced Intel B760M has PCIE5 X16
https://www.ecytech.com.my/product-page/asu...ming-b760m-plus
vs only PCIE4 for that MSI mobo
https://www.ecytech.com.my/product-page/msi-pro-b650m-a-wifi

Highlighting just how much of a poor value for money that is AM5 platform.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Apr 15 2023, 04:12 PM

Ryzen architecture is a very polarising platform either being an ultimate gaming machine or a thread monster for application, but poor in between; its gaming CPU is only 8cores whilst i7 is 12-16cores, and unlike R7900s the i9 is an allrounder capable gaming and thread application machine.

For something so specific, the cheaper AM4 pricing could overlook its flaws but for pricier AM5, imho its just not worth it, even the promise of futureproofing is arguable when cheaper mobo is only limited to DDR5 6000, PCIE Gen4 on X16 and M2, and no guarantees future CPU will be drop in compatible.

AMD has been fixing things with more regular BIOS updates, some would say that is a good thing as AMD are taking their BIOS problem seriously, but that beggars a question if their BIOS are that unstable and unfinished that they keep needing to release updates after updates like a GPU driver.

PS Even Jay2Cents has to dedicate a rant towards expensive AM5 mobo


This post has been edited by babylon52281: Apr 16 2023, 11:54 AM

You can cut more than half the cost of cooler if go for SE224XTS Black, BeQuiet's only shtick is their silent fan which you could buy and replace the ID one and still be cheaper.
FD North only shtick is that wooden slats, which makes it overpriced even compared to other FD cases. Unless wood trim is ur thing, others are cheaper.

Want quiet PSU, then get BeQuiets (hahaha really as those fan you can't replace!) or else get ones with zero fan feature.

Rm10k PC with only RTX4070?

Both have hidden spec problem.
The 15k PC has RAM way too low for Intel rig. 5600 is pisspoor slow and you should be looking at 6000 above, at G2 Intel XMP can even eat 7200 for breakfast.
While not all Giga PSU are bad, I would stay away from a brand that have sold fire hazard models.

The 9.5k PC should have at least KC3000 1TB. NV2 for nearly 10k PC is where Ideal gets their extra profit margin.

Not really Malaysia currency and inflation but simply the poor value of 4070 performance for the asking price. Even in the West that GPU got whacked

Yes and no. While our currency plays some part, the main contributor to high prices are due to hardware prices have went up tremendously in general.

CPU didn't have much price change due to fierce competition. But AMD is starting to be priced higher every generation. Not good.

Mobo prices have went up A LOT! As J2C said, uber high end mobos used to be $200-250 but now for AM5, a decent entry level mobo starts from that price and high end these days meant $1000 above. Crazy!

RAM prices fluctuate year to year but in the past you would find RAM sometimes dirt cheap due to each maker competing & oversupply the market, these days they pakat2 to restrict output to keep prices high. So RAM prices have went up historically.

Storage prices is higher these days due to SSD making it far pricier than ye olde HDD. Back then RM200 could get a decent sized HDD and you could store games for years but nowadays storage is about speed as much as space so expect to pay 300-400 for a decent starter and your bound to add or replace for bigger storage sooner than later.

Then the big kahuna; the GPU which has went up like crazy. Back then $1000 could get a Titan GPU which is truly overkill for any games at whatever highest settings and more of a productivity card, nowadays $1000 cant even get you an RTX4080 and the top dog 4090 (@ $1600! ) is needed to play games at maxed 4K settings with RT. Madness is back then the cost of a single 4090 could pay for the whole entire PC system!

Whatmore back then a x70 class GPU performs like it should as a upper midtier GPU, now the 4070 barely does 2K ultra setting at competitive FPS if didn't use Fake Frames. Nvidia scammed us on that.

So really the whole hardware scene is to blame rather than the currency.

Yes indeed, inflation and hardware price gorging is more to blame. The currency not really that much.

For games better to spend a bit more to get 3060 12GB at least the VRAM will give it longer lifetime than the A750 and for now it has less driver issues.

Could be a case of a batch of Ryzen suffering overheating issue. DerBauer had recently reviewed a user Ryzen cpu that had the liquid metal within the IHS melted and flowed out. He wasnt able to find a source of the problem.

Yes Im aware that budget could squeeze that in but these days 8GB GPU is a no go particularly if your gonna spend even higher for it
https://www.techspot.com/article/2661-vram-8gb-vs-16gb/

i3 level 12100 can oso be paired with much cheaper crappy B660 mobos like Giga B660M DS3H or Asrock HDV since even with PL2 unlocked it will only max turbo to 90W. A 12100+B660M mobo+16GB 3200MHZ RAM could be had for <Rm1000.

But with games coming out so highly unoptimised, I wonder how much longer can such a system still suffice.

Imho since u got a 40 inch 4K monitor, playing 2K or low 4K feels kinda wasted if you dont mind me being frank.
Honestly you shouldnt try to skimp on budget and if you cant afford it now, save up and upgrade bit by bit

Firstly ur selected system needs a boost to play 2K high settings at high FPS but with an eye for 4K high, so here is my recommend:
i7 12700F or 13700F (get at least 8cores as AAA titles are becoming hogs now) if can get Ksku even better
MSI Pro B660M-A or Pro B760M-A
Kingston 16GB X2 3200MHZ DDR4
RX 6700XT RM1,709
Kingston KC3000 1TB RM351
[Reusing my Corsair HX750W PSU and my FD casing]
Windows 10 RM400
Thermal PA120, FS140, FC140, DCool AK500, AK620, ID SE226XT, SE207XT cooler (any that has up to 253TDP) or 360/420AIO for Ksku

Then later on for 4K high/ultra with RT, just need to upgrade GPU & PSU only;
RTX 4090 (or future Nvidia or AMD equivalent later)
At least 900-1000W A tier PSU

This way ur upgrade path to 4K high is more manageable (financially) and you wont need to change too many other parts for 4K playability.

AMD platform is expensive just cuz of "futureproofing" but it has no bearing to play 2K/4K, Intel LGA1700 platforms can do the same at cheaper price.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Apr 26 2023, 12:34 AM