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post Apr 14 2017, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(fantasyisland @ Apr 14 2017, 12:01 AM)
hello, i want to buy an android box. However, the more models i see, the more confused i am. Can anyone share a decent price and performance box? I need at least 2GB RAM, 8 GB and android 5.1 or above, wifi support. If possible, I would like to have my phone mirrored to the tv and vice versa. Thanks.
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No need to be confused... Have a budget and list of requirements down... Go back to page one, solid job there... read thru, narrow down to one or 2 boxes, then come back here for further assistance. Though, if you ask me, the way the page one is already setup + the abundance of youtube videos showing performance. You should very easily make a fast decision..

P.S. 2GB RAM, 8GB ROM, V5.1+, Wifi & phone mirroring are very minimal specs and lots of devices already boast this and more... In fact, 16GB ROM is the norm.. nowadays, 32GB boxes exist too.. Question is performance and how it differs across devices and price. Failure to adhere to the above may result in being flooded with the suggestion to just get the Nvidia Shield.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(fantasyisland @ Apr 14 2017, 01:21 AM)
I did browse through the first page and read them. I filtered out the items in lazada, and still left out quite a lot of choices.

I will list down my requirements

Budget: Max Rm3++, below RM300 if the box is already decent enough

Is this one okay?

http://www.lazada.com.my/km8-pro-4k-uhd-ko...ml?ff=1&boost=2

and

http://www.lazada.com.my/mecool-bb2-amlogi...ml?ff=1&boost=2

and

http://www.lazada.com.my/leegoal-bb2-andro...ml?ff=1&boost=2

?

p/s, i read that beelink has 'dark video' issue. Does it happen to all beelink models?
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Now that wasn't so bad, wasn't it... biggrin.gif

IMO, not a fan of "ships from overseas"... So to choose, I'd say go for the KM8 pro.. Was reviewed recently by a forummer and your needs seem simple enough. So should be okay. As for Beelink models & "dark video" issue. AFAIK, it's been a work in progress for quite sometime..unsure about it being fixed yet.

QUOTE(biggie @ Apr 14 2017, 07:58 AM)
I ordered Km8 pro also from Lazada now waiting. Looking for better kodi experience. Although now a bit 'menyesal' as from otherforum s912 is not really recommended.
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Natively...It isn't ... There are workarounds that need to be implemented. These are typically implemented by the box manaufacturers before being shipped out or later in the form of firmware updates. Hence, the very important criteria (to me), that my devices receive heavy backing from their manufacturers.

QUOTE(OCMAX @ Apr 14 2017, 08:21 AM)
my himedia H8+ are using s912 octa core. most of the thing I through in it played. Pretty smooth. smile.gif
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That's cuz Himedia has a "wrapper"... Custom code within the firmware to tie Kodi in & smoothen things..

QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 14 2017, 08:43 AM)
The first review of RK3399 SoC I've come across...in Yundoo Y8...this a very fast box but cost USD 120-140...

https://androidtvbox.eu/yundoo-y8-review-an...ockchip-rk3399/

Interesting that it's rooted, no DRM support, so Astro no Go biggrin.gif... but Netflix runs...

I guess Netflix don't care about root, but only verify hardware for 4K/HD, otherwise it's SD only?...

Edit: some FB posts confirm Amazon Fire TV runs Astro Go, also boxes can be mod to run it...
Also ZTE is getting into the box business...

http://www.zte.com.cn/global/about/press-c...01703ma/0330ma2
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Interesting... Yeah, Netflix has never cared if the device is rooted or not.. They even allow content downloads on devices.. Their major concern is providing a very smooth experience for their subscribers.. Which is why only certified by them devices get the full experience and others, just basic (enough to stay hooked on) experience.

QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 14 2017, 09:12 AM)
KM8 pro [^pomen_GTR^].

xxxxElecs/Kodi not supporting Amlogic fix/hack codes...we now have FTMC with Amlogic fix...so don't worry...
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The FTMC fork fix for AMLogic equipped devices is for those stuck running Android 4.4.2 and to address the SSL V2 compliance issues faced by certain addons not being able to play files from such sources.. Previous unaddressed performance issues remain.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Apr 14 2017, 10:15 AM)
Hi guys is there any program other than Kodi that can scrape local NAS movies and give you a folder view of movies?

I find that Kodi doesn't fully show all the movies in my local NAS folder(those that they cannot find info , they just ignore and not show the movie). Also it seems to mix streaming movies with my local NAS movies, which I don't really like.

Any alternative suggestion?
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There's Plex for Android...

However, should you still want to explore the Kodi route, there are easy ways of solving the media issue. Firstly, you have to understand that Kodi requires specific naming, folder and scraping conditions to be met in order to achieve best results. Visit this Naming video files/TV shows page to see how to properly name and store each file. It's a very important step to a successful library scan. Secondly, I advise you use a media manager (such as Ember Media Manager) to fetch, store, and view various details about your media collection. Once scraped, the media manager stores the information alongside the media files. Then while setting up sources in Kodi, you should tell Kodi to only scrape from local sources and not online like TVDB. This offers a ton of customization and flexibility. It only takes some time to setup it all up but once done.. Its wonderful, especially in a NAS enabled environment.
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 14 2017, 12:14 PM)
They gave me the impression that whilst they have ported the common SSLv2 libraries for 4.4, they are also maintaining the patches for Amlogic and Rockchip, hence there's two versions specifically for these two SoC...

The new Kodi have no patches and no support for 4.4...hence more "broken" for some folks...
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Fixed? Yes.. Further maintenance? I'm not so sure. We'll see... Besides, SPMC works better and is still "officially" maintained. IMO, it's what Jarvis for Android was supposed to be in the first place if the Kodi devs team had capable Android-specific devs. So for those who can't run Krypton and having issues with the official Jarvis version.. SPMC is a viable alternative. nod.gif

QUOTE(biggie @ Apr 14 2017, 01:03 PM)
At Lazada still processing  sad.gif , anyway when you uninstall the pre load kodi, will it also uninstall all the addons? Also from the review there is another app call kodi updater, will it also be uninstalled?
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Yep, once you uninstall the pre-installed Kodi, all addons and setup are gone. Doing this is actually preferred as most times, the pre-installed stuff aren't up to date and have broken links. So rather than having to troubleshoot, bla bla.. Better to nuke and setup from scratch. Then you can install addons you like and customize the UI to your preferences.. Your box isn't here yet.. Plenty of time to haunt the threads and YouTube video for tips.. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(OCMAX @ Apr 14 2017, 01:10 PM)
I didn't install "Wrapper" maybe the new firmware has it fixed but I don't have problem watching 4K 5.1 vid. haven't come across 7.1 yet. smile.gif
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If you are running a firmware later than v1.0.5, the firmware comes preloaded with the wrapper. So you've probably been using it but don't know it.. How it works is by modifying Kodi to run HiMedia's hardware video player and gives full hardware features (4K, auto-frame rate switching, 3D, 7.1 HD-Audio etc).. I too don't have a 7.1 setup yet..

QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 14 2017, 02:53 PM)
Please don't scare newbie laugh.gif
Yes, I linked, your comment on Kodi volume still valid from your early feedback?
You worry too much... Kodi Black Belt, Master Voncrane is around... get your box, play around with it first for a few days, then hands on install/uninstall, etc. Kodi first page has all the info...in the words of fruitie... "even a girl can do it" ....

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Hey... We were all noobs once.. Like this, I don't know where to put my face.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(elblue @ Apr 14 2017, 07:55 PM)
Just to share, AliExpress - Minix Official Store got quite a good promotion right now. I just bought MINIX NEO U9-H for $127.26 - RM560. bought just the basic kit because i already got the Minix A2 remote. The price without the promotion is $139.90 - Store discount -$3 off and -$3 coupon, Select Coupon -$2, if you buy using their apps got -16% off, so total is $127.26, the cheapest one i've found so far! thumbsup.gif

Lazada the cheapest is RM605, local shipping if you can't wait.
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You have taken couponing and discounts to another level... notworthy.gif

QUOTE(fantasyisland @ Apr 14 2017, 09:05 PM)
I would say streaming media (both live channels and non-live dramas) and mirror (my family use both ios and android).

For GPU graphic, i think S912 is paired with mali 820 which is better than mali 450 that is pair with s905. so, i guess choosing s912 is a better option for futureproofing?
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Not necessarily.. Take the Minix Neo U1 for instance, It's blessed with an AMLogic S905 processor, Android 5.1.1 & a unified eMMC 5.0 flash storage... And I can guarantee that it not only out-performs several S912 + Android 5/6 equipped devices out there, but offers even more app compatibility.. So while hardware is important, even more important is the firmware. As for future-proofing, I'd say you deal with now and perhaps 2 - 3 years from now (most current & well known boxes can handle this) and upgrade. It's a fast-paced tech world.. There will always be a better device.. smile.gif

Summarily, you don't buy a box and hope it fits into your requirements, you buy a device that actually fits your requirements... and right now it seems like you haven't figured out your requirements yet.. I mean, do you even know where to source "live channels and non-live dramas"? Cuz buying an android box does not equal automatically getting it all.. Want that? Stick to Ast** or Hypp**.

TLDR: *Find the source... *Confirm source will work with device... *Pull trigger.

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post Apr 14 2017, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(fantasyisland @ Apr 14 2017, 10:18 PM)
Not all source, I know some source that can watch western movies and asian dramas. But then, I though as long as u can find the addons u can install in any box brands?
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You speak of addons.. Is your primary app of choice going to be just Kodi? Cuz if then, you should only invest in a box that is confirmed Kodi friendly...
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post Apr 14 2017, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(fantasyisland @ Apr 14 2017, 10:24 PM)
Not only Kodi, I wish can install popcorn, plex, directv, directnow. But then dono will the box compatible or not. Those boxes I select are all preinstalled Kodi, so how can I know is it Kodi friendly?

edit:
fb, other media players as well
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Well... Now we are talking... Popcorntime should be okay, beware of malware.... Plex should be okay too,... DirecTV & Directnow? No idea, never had to use either... So can't speak for both apps. Remember, keyword here is "should".

From the posted list of boxes, I believe it's just the KM8 Pro that has been mentioned around these here parts. The rest?? Practically unknown and do not expect solid performance/manufacturer support from em.. Even the KM8 Pro has its issues as do all devices.. So, you are left with one of two choices;
1. Purchase cuz cheap and see how...You could be lucky and face no issues or be stuck with a box that under-performs..... Please leave a review afterwards. OR
2. Stick to well known brands and purchase one based on real user reviews...albeit more expensive..But, you know exactly what you are getting and expected performance.

Choice is yours... biggrin.gif
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post Apr 14 2017, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(fantasyisland @ Apr 14 2017, 11:13 PM)
then what u would recommend? i browse thru garage sales, lazada, aliexpress. the options are just way beyond my imagination. i do not know even what to choose.
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I understand you want a straightforward answer... Bear with me, as knowing all this beforehand will definitely pay off.... I recommend that you stick to devices already on Page one of this thread. Now, If perhaps you plan on purchasing IPTV services from a particular seller, then inform the seller of the potential device you want to buy, and confirm that the seller's app and service will work with it.

My recommendation is that you increase your budget and go for devices such as the Minix Neo U9-H or HiMedia Q10 Pro or the previous gen Minix Neo U1. However and if i recall correctly, your list of requirements do not include items like 4K 60fps, 3D, ISO, HDR, USB 3.0, HD audio such as DD, DD+, DTS-HD, etc and passthrough?.. Then the above boxes may be considered overkill. In which case, you are better off buying a cheaper one like the Docooler M9S Pro 3/32GB box, currently used by fruitie or similar. She mentioned getting it for about RM200 and seems okay for her purposes, which appear similar to yours.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 14 2017, 11:31 PM)
himedia wrapper misunderstood here!

himedia wrapper is for q5/q10qro (hisilicon) android7 kodi17 users, built especially for minix users who insist on usb playback with kodi for artwork reasons and do not want to make use of the superior native player after paying for it! tongue.gif

not applicable to h8+ and all other models.

for details on this wrapper, please read himedia thread.
my advice to you is android5.1 or android7.0.

android6 is kind of nobody's child.
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Minix & HiMedia's wrapper??? No connection la pls.. We've got the XBMC for Minix app just for that. While most HiMedia devices are still waiting around on fixes to enjoy Krypton 17.1, I've been using it with HD audio passthrough, no crashes either... And this is without any firmware update since Krypton 17.0's release... Means current firmware is more compatible. Minix are official Kodi backers... So go figure.. tongue.gif

QUOTE(fantasyisland @ Apr 14 2017, 11:37 PM)
the reason i did not mention those 4k 60fps, 3d, hdr thing is because my 42inch tv is only 1080p and has been around for 5-6 years. I really dono how much I should spend for an android box. I just want to buy one for my parents to watch because njoi is too awful to watch. Can u tell me how much internet connection is needed to stream effortlessly?
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No 4K TV or HD audio requirements... Then skip the high end models... Go with something simpler.. Tech will change in a few years anyway... However, minimum must be Android Lollipop, 2GB RAM and 16GB ROM... Lookup the cheaper one I mentioned in the previous post.

As for internet connection, at minimum, I'd say a dedicated & stable 10Mbps.. Better still would be 30Mbps and higher... It mostly depends on the source. Strong sources like YouTube, can stream 1080p content with zero buffering on a 10Mbps connection... Other not so strong servers won't. So boils back to... "Find the source, play the source".

Edit: Just read the "parents" part... All I can say is good luck!.. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 14 2017, 11:52 PM)
i think u mean u1 ok for kodi17 streaming dd/dts, but not hd audio as in dsthdma/ddtruehd/atmos/dtsx..?

i just know some ex-minix users decided to switch.. but wanna playback with kodi like they r used to... can't blame them.

actually, i tell them they wasted money becos the premium price for himedia Q series is for the native player, not kodi player for playback.

never mind, just i thought u know people do switch brands sometimes... for their own reasons.

their choice, of course.
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I understand..

Kodi is a beast and while very popular.. Not many know how to tame this beast.. Those who can, would swear by it and avoid touching anything else.. From a 10-foot UI, to custom keymaps, advancedsettings, compatibility with a wide range of file formats, pvr, superior library view and highly customizable skins, etc.. Really, what's not to love. Full disclosure, I'm yet to try dem fancy true HDR & 4K. So who knows.. IMO, as far as 1080p files go, Kodi has no match.

QUOTE(fantasyisland @ Apr 14 2017, 11:58 PM)
alright, then can u tell me what models should i buy for my requirements? at least i will know what to look for when i go to shop. If not, they will ask me to buy the one that profit them most.
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I already mentioned a few models.. What else do you want? Don't overthink it.. Buy a popular device.. use em..
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QUOTE(theROCKeteer @ Apr 15 2017, 08:43 AM)
can recommend any android box with good support and upgradeable to latest android version?
price range between RM300.
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You can try the Beelink devices.. However, RM300 price range and good support/guaranteed updates to Android 7 do not match.. Firmware development costs money and for a manufacturer to sell at less than $70 for a device.. There really isn't any profit margin left to run a decent dev team. Double your budget and support significantly increases. Major reason why most of us spend more. smile.gif
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QUOTE(theROCKeteer @ Apr 15 2017, 05:36 PM)
Thanks bro. Good explanation.

http://www.lazada.com.my/minix-neo-u9-h-am...ml?ff=1&boost=2
Is it a good deal? Or any other better in the same price range..
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The Neo U9-H is a decent device... No doubt.. IMO as a Neo U1 user, so far it isn't a significant upgrade for my needs (which is still 1080p content). For future proofing, I'd still recommend it over the Neo U1 and that makes it a good buy. Price is friendly too... See this post for a better price, but longer delivery time..

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QUOTE(GuyM @ Apr 17 2017, 08:33 AM)
Just wondering, if using this settings, would one be able to access most channels on Mangotv and Kodi?
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So you change your DNS settings.. Then what? Still depends on the DNS server routing your connections from the blocked app to their servers and said servers accepting the DNS server as legit.. I don't use MangoTv and so you'd have to test yourself... Personally, security risk.. i don't simply use DNS servers plucked off the public internet.. Get a paid premium VPN instead.. the really good ones ain't cheap and should work..

Kodi does not require changing your DNS servers to operate.

QUOTE(JJKTP @ Apr 17 2017, 08:47 AM)
What do you mean by "You can also control using your pc with their pc client."?

Thank you in advance.
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Meaning, there's a Teamviewer software for computers which can access the box too.. Not just from a mobile phone/tablet...
TLDR: Can control android device from PC..

QUOTE(biggie @ Apr 17 2017, 08:52 AM)
Just wondering, will app like this work for AndroidTV Box (Specifically km8 pro <--still waiting from Lazada)

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?...di.configurator

Again as mentioned before I am looking ofr the fastest and most hassle free method to set-up the box. Get nervous as setting up in the living room got many family members waiting.
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If you like all sorts of crap being installed on your box.. Crap waiting to breakdown and trust me, breakdown they will.. Then sure, use some "auto-configure/script", bla bla... Nothing beats manual installation and maintenance.. You know exactly what goes in or out and when. Cleaner, leaner machine.. IMO.

QUOTE(lovemath @ Apr 17 2017, 09:08 AM)
Hi ,
is anyone here heard about a new tv box which they claim only pay few hundreds for life time.
If you get 3 people to join then you will no need to pay that few hundreds.
You can watch all channels including astro channels.
Kind like pyramid system.

I also forget what the box name already.

Anyone knows about this?
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QUOTE(oldtimer05 @ Apr 17 2017, 10:00 AM)
Oh is it. That sounds ok- as long it can run the video in if lt or another app.

Also good if can run plex.

Netflix i think wont be a prob as i will run it in the atv. Thanks for your explanation.

Will have to look for a box now ! Any suggestion which i shoukd consider ?

Thanks....
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Page one and the last few pages of this thread has recommended boxes... Read!! It's an easy decision once you read.
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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Apr 17 2017, 12:14 PM)
to be frank Teamviewer laggy and everytime it need approval from the host.

example: if my ipad goes to sleep mode, it need to login again. that being say the remote control no longer working after that.
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It's called "Quick Support" for a reason.. Not built for long-term connection.
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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Apr 17 2017, 12:47 PM)
yeah! that's why I used Wukong remote that works better for my case. It has apk & ipa installer. icontro only for android devices.  smile.gif
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Yeah.. IMO, nothing beats a well-built physical remote. Plus as already pointed out, I believe it only works with devices under the same LAN, I've already got a remote. Teamviewer is great for out of local network control... in the case of assisting loved ones or similar.. smile.gif

Seen the Wukong remote in action on YouTube.. Not bad at all.. Smooth.

QUOTE(lovemath @ Apr 17 2017, 01:07 PM)
do you know who the seller?
or what is the name of the box/system?
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No & No. Don't need to know either. Can and prefer to setup up my devices, exactly how I like it...from scratch.

QUOTE(lovemath @ Apr 17 2017, 01:31 PM)
i wants to compare with the skybox homelinux , the illegal satellite tv box..

oh its a scam? Do you know the name of the box?
as they claimed that free for lifetime. I not sure how true is that...
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Oh it's not a scam, you should try it and come back to report here... shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 17 2017, 02:25 PM)
It depends on ping latency I guess...mine's OK n acceptable with wifi & 4G...it's designed for enterprise deployment, not really designed for use within the home. On Android no issue when I reconnect.

Wukong is probably similar to HiControl, for use within the same home network/subnet only. The signal never leaves the house right?
It's connected as long as there's activities...it will log you out when dormant.
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My point exactly.. Quick get in, do your thing and out.. All about resources.

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QUOTE(starz92 @ Apr 17 2017, 09:27 PM)
Guys. Planning to get an android TV box. What are the currently recommended one. If possible with 4k output feature. preferably user friendly.
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Did you just skip page one?
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post Apr 18 2017, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(OCMAX @ Apr 17 2017, 11:10 PM)
I think you didn't read properly. external HDD 2TB means the USB port can read up to 2TB hdd. I'm using 4TB on my unit without problem.

btw! you don't offer your courtesy asking for advice.
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Hey, mind giving a review of sorts about yours? Particular about Kodi's performance..

QUOTE(OCMAX @ Apr 18 2017, 12:01 AM)
Incredible! One can forget asking for advice over 12PM's replies and disappear and make don't know.
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QUOTE(Hou_JaI @ Apr 18 2017, 10:23 AM)
browsed the review before, https://www.avforums.com/review/minix-neo-u...ox-review.12167. seems ok, but UHD display at 50 fps not working well. dont think its an issue for now.
yes, i did, read about the comparison between Q5pro and Q10pro,

http://streaming-media-players.specout.com...Himedia-Q10-Pro

it seems like there are a lot of formats are not supported for Q5pro.

for q10 pro, there are some almost inevitable compromises, most notably the occasional loss of synch with 23.976 frames per second content – which accounts for most movies and blockbuster TV series (direct quote from avforums) actually i am not sure whats that means but from the review, it seems like a lot of movie files are impacted  confused.gif  "https://www.avforums.com/review/himedia-q10-pro-android-media-player-review.12668"
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Minix Neo U1: Can't speak for UHD playback but I've read it's decent. As for 1080p? It plays all good. Zero issues and auto refresh rate switching is done on a system wide level.. flawless... Ideally, your budget is already at RM500, so better increase slightly & go for the Minix Neo U9-H.. More future proof. On the other hand, the HiMedia Q10 Pro is a strong option.. AVFAN uses it with a 4K TV + 4K AVR.. He speaks highly of it too..

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QUOTE(wildan03 @ Apr 18 2017, 10:42 AM)
Have anyone tried this box before? Price/Performance  ratio seems like to good to be true. Afraid if i buy can use 3 months only then many problems.

http://www.lazada.com.my/t96-pro-android-6...66152.html?ff=1
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Has 6 months warranty.. tongue.gif Perhaps you can buy and review for us.

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Apr 18 2017, 10:55 AM)
nand flash so might lag abit?  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Personally, I wouldn't consider such devices.. So didn't bother checking such... It does mention it uses an eMMC storage, though unsure of which version. Don't expect it to be 5.0.. Possibly 4.5... biggrin.gif

QUOTE(wildan03 @ Apr 18 2017, 10:59 AM)
compensated by 3GB ram and Octacore processor? I think is okay just afraid of the durability, you know turned on for 24/7 rclxub.gif
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IMO, 3GB RAM is nice but they should have paired it with a 32GB fast eMMC storage to be more attractive.. Better to buy a slightly more expensive and proven device than to cheapskate and end up spending more to buy 2 boxes. Plus love an "as close to stock device", cuz I'm aware of how to fully maximize hardware and tweak most firmware. I understand it isn't everyone's cup of tea. Some simply prefer to have everything already setup. Hence the popularity of those live TV, one time fee, bla bla boxes... puke.gif

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