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post Nov 18 2017, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(chichichi @ Nov 10 2017, 10:24 AM)
Hello Sifus, would be grateful if you could answer some questions I have on insurance

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Question:
a. If i want to add on to insurance (2), would they revise my premium since im smoking again? Do i have to disclose that i have started smoking?
yes you have to, since you want to add on, they will revised the premium also based on your current smoking habit.

b. Should i just terminate my insurance (1) since the coverage is so little?
dont have to terminate, looks like u can either increase the coverage or reduce the premium. have to discuss with your agent. insurance (1) is around 16 years which i think is good.

c. Should i be looking at term life insurance instead? with coverage of at least RM200,000, the premium looks affordable and i can just disclose that im a smoker without any worries.
so long as you know how term life insurance works, go ahead no prob!

d. Term life insurance says it does not cover pre-existing conditions. I dont have any BP/diabetes etc but i am diagnosed with arthritis and on medication. would this affect the policy?
have to apply and let underwriter to go through your case. if it is a pure life policy only shudnt be a problem. or perhaps will have loading on premium.


thanks in advance for your views.
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QUOTE(windvind @ Nov 12 2017, 01:46 PM)
Just now was quoted for medical card from Public Bank AIA.
I'm 27 yrs, not smoking and healthy condition price was at RM155.
My brother who was with me, he is 24 years, not smoking and healthy body condition, but was quoted at a higher price of RM166.

Is there any reason why some one with a younger age was quoted with a more expensive price. The agent also double checked and realize there was no mistakes keying in.
Can any master explain why this?? Because normally people say that the younger a person the cheaper the premium.
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is the benefit quoted for you and your brother exactly the same? anyway, based on AIA medical plan brochure, looks like insurance charge for age 24 is slightly higher than age 27. hmm.gif

QUOTE(OptimusStar @ Nov 12 2017, 01:55 PM)
Hi all,
I have a question, my wife has a ILP with AXA Affin whereby she has purchased as class 3 occupation. Now that she have changed her occupation to class 1, can we redeclare and get lower premium rates or do we have to purchase a new policy ?
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yeap, can just inform agent or go customer service to fill the form and they will revise premium rate.

QUOTE(smallikanbilis @ Nov 15 2017, 11:02 AM)
May I know is there any company that still offer PARTICIPATING life insurance products? Thank you.
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yeap most company still have.

QUOTE(vjeyamahla @ Nov 15 2017, 03:02 PM)
Dear Sifus.

I have been “window shopping” for the past three months on behalf of my son. He’s 23 years (DOB: 3/10/94), non-smoker and works as Component Repair Technician. His monthly premium budget is RM 200 to RM 250. I am having headache on deciding the best plan for him. I have received various quotation from several insurance companies (Pru, PruBSN, HLA, Great. AXA Affin & Manulife)

I want him to have a medical card, 36 CI, life and PA. I am still undecided over IPL. Can anyone help me out by giving me criteria to look for? I only requested the B&R rate to RM 200. Can anyone help me out? Thanks
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meaning you are still undecided whether go for separate plans for different purposes or go for ILP alone?

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post Nov 18 2017, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(Zamorin1 @ Nov 17 2017, 11:58 PM)
Any good medical cum endowment insurance plan out there? I am not interested in the medical insurance actually. I am just interested in the tax rebate and getting my money worth.
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medical cum endowment insurance plan? as long as the plan have medical and life benefits, you can utilize it for your tax rebate already. smile.gif

QUOTE(RickJames09 @ Nov 18 2017, 08:05 AM)
Hi.

I'm looking for medical insurance for my dad. He's 53 y/o & non smoker. How much per month i can expect to pay for him.

Thanks in advance SIFUs!
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what's your dad occupation? if go for the latest medical insurance, will be around RM2.1k a year.

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post Nov 18 2017, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(Vamos @ Nov 18 2017, 05:28 PM)
Wrestling or boxing not included, what about assaulted by criminal?
Like getting robbed or bullying
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thats consider accidental cases which is included.

QUOTE(Zamorin1 @ Nov 18 2017, 05:34 PM)
Well. As I said, I am not interested in the medical part. I just want to make sure that say I put 3k into a particular plan. I will be able to get more then 2480 plus interest after x number of years. Hope you know what I mean.
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in this case insurance plan cant give you the results you want. just put in a pure unit trust fund will do smile.gif
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post Nov 18 2017, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(Vamos @ Nov 18 2017, 06:58 PM)
How to claim insurance? Need police report? Can claim how much?
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if robbed, better to have police report. of course most important is your statement and doctor treatment statement filled into the respective insurance companies forms. can claim how much? depends what you buy. if only medical, just claim the medical expenses incurred.
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post Nov 19 2017, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(Zamorin1 @ Nov 18 2017, 08:35 PM)
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btw, what do u mean by "Because if say I did not buy medical insurance in the first place, the 3k that I put into medical insurance would have been equivalent to 2.48k"? do you mean u put the 3k into non-medical insurance so that can get 2.48k?

yea insurance do have several endowment plan with termination value. as of now, most of my friends (<30 y/o) wanna put in the PRS plan just for the sake of getting the free RM1k. whether the money is sufficient for retirement only is still solely depending on how much one can commit to save every month or annually. if u compare FD and PRS scheme, i personally will choose PRS scheme for retirement purpose (assuming I commit the same amount into FD/PRS)
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post Nov 24 2017, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Nov 23 2017, 02:36 PM)
The Great Eastern (i) IL Payer Benefit Rider and (ii) IL Payer Benefit Extra Rider, can one have (ii) instead of (i) and (ii) or need (i) and add (ii)?
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(i) IL Payer Benefit Rider - Waiver upon death/TPD
(ii) IL Payer Benefit Extra Rider - Waiver upon death/TPD/CI
only can choose one will do. not allow to put both rider at 1 time.

QUOTE(Left4Dead2 @ Nov 23 2017, 03:25 PM)
I saw some online ads, cover insurance for both parent at around RM80 only, from 75 until 100 years age !

Is it per day and what will the coverage looks like ?
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need more info on that. could be just ads attraction. best if you can provide link here so we can help you see through.

QUOTE(ahinigami @ Nov 23 2017, 10:00 PM)
Hey guys, last week a financial planner submitted my info for underwriting.

He told me that I will have around 14 days to decide whether I wanted to continue the plan after I received my confirmation which I've received 2 days ago.

After some consideration, I don't really feel like committing to the plan as I have quite a few commitments on hand now.
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you received confirmation or received the policy contract document? the 14 days is after you received the policy contract document with acknowledgement slip dated on. and yes u can still get your full refund of premium paid if it is still under that period (cooling-off period)
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post Nov 24 2017, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(ahinigami @ Nov 24 2017, 02:16 AM)
Thanks for the info bro, I still haven't receive my contact yet.

Btw, there is something I'm really unsure about the life insurance + investment link.

The financial planner told me, the insured amount will remain in effect even after the policy has reached maturity, as long as there are some minimum amount of money left in the policy which is more or less half of the total amount paid.
policy reached maturity in general means the coverage term is complete and maturity value (final cash value in layman term) will be given to policy holder.

1) The policy term is 10 years, so I'll have to make consistent payment for the full 10 years
check whether it is stated payment term or coverage term? looks like for your case is payment term is 10 years (premium payable 10 years only) and coverage term is more than 10 years.

2) I'll still be eligible for the full insured amount as long as minimum amount of money is still in the policy. E.g. 50k is withdrawn out of 120k is fine.
investment link in general is as long as cash value still sufficient to deduct insurance charges, the plan will be still inforced (active).

3) I'm guaranteed the full insured amount after I pass away no matter how old I am
thats the basic sum assured for the life insurance plan.

4) On top of that, the money put into the policy will still continues to grow, quadruple if I don't withdraw anything in 30 years. I know it's speculative at this point whether I'll withdraw the money in those long period but just thought it's worth mentioning.
for this, need to see the cash value table to explain

Which comes back to the point, seems to be too good to be true especially the third point.

How is the insurance company supposed to earn any money if I'm guaranteed 5 times the amount of money I put in after my death and still able to get back the money i put into it with interests on top of all that??? rclxub.gif
just my guess here, you can only get back your breakeven amount after the 10th year. check your cash value table for details. meaning if you will like to surrender anytime before the 10th year, you might not be able to get back the full principal. confirm with the details in the contract document ya.

Anyone can confirm the correctness of this piece of information or there's something I probably misunderstood and is this applicable to all the life insurance as well?
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reply in blue bro. so are the above your real concern or are you really concern on your financial commitment as you mentioned in your previous post? smile.gif
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post Nov 27 2017, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(mini_me @ Nov 25 2017, 01:24 AM)
Dear Sifus,
I would like to ask opinions regarding the insurance plans for me.

My portfolio:
33yo, Female, Single, Gov Doctor, Nonsmoker, No existing insurance/ medical card

My thoughts:
1. While I'm still working with gov, I would be covered by my GL for a 1 or 2 bedded rooms. And contrary to others, I would prefer to be admitted to Gov Hosp should anything happen to me (touchwood though!).
--> Thus, is medical card pretty redundant in my scenario?
nope, it will always act as a backup in case u need it.

2. But I do believe that once I leave the public service, medical card would be truly essential to cover my back then.
looks like you actually answer your own concern already thumbup.gif

Options in consideration:
1. Investment linked insurance GE Smart Protect Essential
- medical card annual limit annual limit 900k/ no lifetime limit. Death / TPD - 100k. CI-50k. Room & Board : 250
- premium 400/mth
medical card with that annual limit of RM990k per year is with Room&Board RM150

2. Income protection insurance from GE as well + start investment linked with medical card rider after 10yrs from now
- For the income protection: Premium 700/mth, 10 years.
  TPD/ Death / 36 CI: 500k. Upon maturity at 20yr : projected cash value of 180k
- After paying endownment-like only package, only sign up for medical card at 40ish

** Can you guys comment on which option is better with pros & cons?
cant comment much because it serves its purpose for your needs. only if you discuss with a advisor,
from there you will know what you want and what plan benefits that you need.


** On average, for the same medical card benefit, how much is the premium difference between entry age of 30 and 40, speaking in terms of ratio?
for insurance charges of same medical card benefit itself is already 45% more.

** I do understand that with any investments, there can be only projected returns and these are affected by lots of factors. But on average & speaking of long term, do majority of the companies  achieve these projected returns & thus the cash value?
generally yes. best is to take an average, no advisor can guarantee on that. or u can ask for the investment performance record to see whether their past performance reached their forecast return or not.

Thank you
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hi mini_me! replied you above. wink.gif which gov hospital you serving in? my sis and bro-in-law also gov doc from north.

QUOTE(Chrysella @ Nov 26 2017, 12:50 PM)
Something to clarify:

1. for GE SmartProtect Essential, the monthly premium will increase every few years?
subject to change with notice by the company. not guarantee though.

2. for the 20% co-insurance with no maximum cap if upgrade R&B, how if the R&B of my plan is not available and no choice but to upgrade? i have to pay 20% co-ins instead of 10% co-ins with a max cap of RM500 ?
once u upgrade R&B, 20% co-insurance with max cap RM3000.


3. can put gf/bf as nominee?
u can put gf/bf as nominee but still upon death payout, the money that they helped you to claim doesn't belong to them it still belongs to your estate.
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looks like your medical plan you got it before 2015? hmm.gif

QUOTE(chichichi @ Nov 27 2017, 04:18 PM)
Dear Sifus,

May I get your view about my agent. I have been with this agent since 2012, I have two policies with him, one for my kid (under my spouse name) and one is my personal one. One thing that irks me is that since last year, he only give one set of goodies for new year ie one diary, one calendar and one planner. Im thinking since I signed two policies, I should be getting 2.

It is not a big deal but it kinds of bothering me, because i could really use another planner, and pass the other calendar to my spouse. But I dont dare to tell him, he also now very scary haha.. i ask him to quote for me then he say he very busy.. i ask him about my current policy, then he just give me short form answers i dont understand but dont dare to ask

Any thots?  sleep.gif
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regarding the diary part is not a concern. but most importantly he don't forget u as his customer under his care. it is an advisor's job to clear your doubts on ur insurance policy under his care.
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post Nov 28 2017, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(chichichi @ Nov 28 2017, 10:32 AM)
aiyooo so generous holocene... thank you but i shy lah  blush.gif
ckdenion, i guess im just wondering if it is a given that each policy is entitled to diary/planner/calendar or not. or is it up to the agents to decide what to give to whom.
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Depends on agent. Not based on how many policies bought. Like for me i dont give diaries unless they request. I give different gifts to them. Some that i cant think of what to buy then i give the diary.
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post Nov 28 2017, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(it.fusion @ Nov 28 2017, 11:14 PM)
I am on GE plan - ILP smart essetial 2 with sm150
reviewing my plan now and found that smx and sme is kinda conflicting..
smx is fine since it voids co-insurance but sme is very tricky and why its deducting back the sm150 ? so if its sm150 lifetime limit is reached... we need to absorb ourself the 90k payable portion ? why such as this ? this is directly mis marketing... its free but its not free.. like that..
are all insurance medic card same like this or there is better one ?
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SMX will replace your SM if u did the upgrade. SME enhanced the benefit in SM/SMX.

And nope, nothing is free. Hope its not your agent telling you its free. smile.gif

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post Nov 29 2017, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(victor_tan79 @ Nov 29 2017, 10:53 AM)
Morning

A friend of mine have introduce me Hong Leong Assurance medical card calls HLA Medishield 2 , which offers more than 2 million coverage .

But after read through the quotation he give me , there is a things calls Deductible , which mine is RM 120,000

Will there be any consequences on the claims if i were to switch to Hong Leong Assurance medical card ?

Kindly adviced
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Is the deductible covered by a main medical benefit? Lemme check out the plan and feedback to u.

QUOTE(watabakiu @ Nov 29 2017, 11:51 AM)
For ILP, the more riders there is, the lesser the investment portion. Is my understanding correct?
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Basically, more riders = higher insurance charges. Thus in layman term u r right, lesser investment portion. Yeah u r right!
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post Nov 30 2017, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(victor_tan79 @ Nov 29 2017, 10:53 AM)
Morning

A friend of mine have introduce me Hong Leong Assurance medical card calls HLA Medishield 2 , which offers more than 2 million coverage .

But after read through the quotation he give me , there is a things calls Deductible , which mine is RM 120,000

Will there be any consequences on the claims if i were to switch to Hong Leong Assurance medical card ?

Kindly adviced
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based on the plan details here https://www.hla.com.my/CMS/Product-Services...uct=72&Sub=1144

looks like the deductible is based on your option. u can choose to have deductible or no-deductible. just double confirm with the agent.

QUOTE(Mr.Weezy @ Nov 29 2017, 12:40 PM)
Pay first, company reimburse later

Any difference ?
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huge difference bro.

QUOTE(victor_tan79 @ Nov 29 2017, 06:37 PM)
Why want customer to pay first when the company can pay the bills in the first place ?

Why need to do double works just for reimbursement basis ?

Plus RM 120K is not small amount
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if certain cases (subject to case ya) whereby company dont approve Guarantee Letter upon admission/surgery, then no choice have to pay first and do reimbursement claims.

QUOTE(1tanmee @ Nov 29 2017, 09:19 PM)
Any specific Prudential plans that caters to women's illnesses and pregnancy?
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this should be what you are looking for.
PRUlady
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post Nov 30 2017, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(chichichi @ Nov 30 2017, 09:54 AM)
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Yeap just get MLTA if budget allows. TPD comes together also with the Death Benefit already.

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Buy a local insurance there for easier claims there too. wink.gif
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post Dec 1 2017, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(1tanmee @ Nov 30 2017, 05:01 PM)
If I revise my existing ILP takaful plan, will my comissions reset back?

This the amount that goes to paying the agents, etc... that should be lower over time.
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only the additional top-up premium's commission starts from 0.

QUOTE(generate @ Nov 30 2017, 05:25 PM)
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I'm looking for medical and health insurance products focusing on protection. TPD + CI + Medical Card to be specific. As for the medical card, I'm leaning towards buying a standalone medical card.

Thanks.
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can i say that your only concern is
1. should you need huge amount of money for medical expenses when you go seek treatment from private hospitals?
2. should you lost your ability to work forever (TPD), you want insurance to help you replace your income?
3. should you diagnosed with critical illness, you want a few years of income standby while seeking treatment?

QUOTE(1tanmee @ Nov 30 2017, 10:07 PM)
Would terminating my current insurance plan (standalone medical card) makes it harder for me to engage with the same insurance company again in the future?
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nope (unless you have pre-existing illness/condition upon wanting to buy a new medical plan)
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post Dec 5 2017, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(bluebay @ Dec 5 2017, 11:06 AM)
planning to get medical card & insurance for my 4.5 year old kid, without saving plan. budget premium 100 per month. any advise pls?
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just get the best standalone medical card coverage with the budget you can afford will do wink.gif


QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Dec 5 2017, 11:47 AM)
Is there anyway to pay GE life premium ONLINE by CREDIT CARD ?
I've been paying life premium at the GE office all this while and I don't want to sign up auto debit.
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what bank? im using PBebanking to pay GE premium using PB credit card.
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post Dec 6 2017, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Dec 6 2017, 05:40 PM)
I just checked GE website, no, they don't have a direct payment portal.
Pay via PBeBanking JomPay or pay direct to GE as a payee corporation in PBebanking ??
I have OCBC-Great Eastern Co-branded Master card and I can't even pay GE premium using my GE card via OCBC online banking, only CASA accounts are allow to pay.
Ironically, OCBC and GE are from the same group of companies.
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Yeap dont have direct payment portal. Can pay via JomPay or direct pay to Ge as corporation too. I have the same question to u too. Y cant pay via OCBC card coz GE is a member of OCBC. I know can do 0% 12 months IPP using the card only
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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Dec 6 2017, 07:27 PM)
[Great Eastern Insurance]

Q1
IL Hospitalisation Benefits Rider - Provides daily cash income should you be hospitalised.
^^ Is it only for Govt hospitals?
Govt hospital memang will give rm50 per day allowance. If u add for example RM100 to this rider, staying in private hospital will give u rm100 per day allowance and rm150 for gov hospital.


Q2
Provider Plus Rider - i-Provider Plus Rider is a unit deduction rider in which future contribution will be paid from the Tabarru' Fund in the event of TPD or critical illness on the Person Covered , whichever occurs first.

^^ This rider only makes sense if the Person Covered =/= person paying the premium, correct?
If it is the same person, this rider does not make sense! i mean, what premium is there to be paid if sudah mati?
cant comment as im not takaful agent.

Q3
IL Great Income Rider - Provides yearly cash income should disability occur to the life assured.

^^ Is this based on the last drawn salary, or not?
Based on the sum assured for this rider itself. So u shud tell ur agent how much u actually need and agent will put the amount in based on ur budget.


icon_question.gif  Can any GE agents clarify on this please?  icon_question.gif
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Correct me if im wrong. Hope my reply helps. notworthy.gif
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post Dec 7 2017, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Dec 6 2017, 10:10 PM)
Such irony ! Ocbc ebanking only allow payment from savings or current account. mad.gif , more so it's own subsidiary co-branded credit card issued by parent company at the parent company's ebanking portal.

And the worst is GE don't even have it's own online payment portal.  doh.gif
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i know right? weird thing is M2U also can pay through savings/current account only whereas PBebanking can pay through savings/current/credit card. I'm also curious about it. so of course most convenient way is auto debit from debit/credit card. else pay through online banking via savings/current account.
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QUOTE(swn525 @ Dec 7 2017, 10:28 AM)
my father age 70, still available to buy medical insurance/card??
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for GE if passed 70 years old birthday then not entitle to buy medical plan already
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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Dec 7 2017, 02:58 PM)
Are you guys serious?  blink.gif
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Yes. Until now i also dont understand y is it so...

QUOTE(Omgf @ Dec 7 2017, 11:40 PM)
Why AIA having so many plans?
Very confusing.
Anyone can explain the A-Life Link vs A-Life MedBooster?
I want to buy Medical insurance. And also best if it is under rm3k for tax rebate.
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Very hard to utilize the RM3k under medical insurance tax relief. True enough it is confusing for consumers. At the moment, better get agent to explain. Easier for u to ask lots of questions.

QUOTE(FreshGraduate @ Dec 8 2017, 04:22 PM)
Just a quick clarification on ILPs over term. Am I right to say that...
1. The pros is that for ILPs,  you can include/exclude rider (CI, Early CI, PA etc) at any time point, and to also increase/decrease the sum insured? Whereas if an individual has only term and is looking for CI for example, he/she needs to get a separate plan?
generally yes u can say so. What i can say is different plan serves different purpose.

2. I have read previously (couldn't recall where) that term premiums > ILPs. How is that so? As typically for ILPs, you need to pay higher premiums to cover both the investment  component and COI.
have to see what is the plan and its benefits first

I understand that it depends on the life circumstances but it seems that getting ILPs > term considering if an individual may need to increase the benefits/sum assured for life and would like to include additional riders in the near future.
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In short, its better to say that whether the plan can solve the problem that you are concern about. icon_rolleyes.gif basically, what you bring out is right in terms of the product type.

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