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post Dec 27 2017, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Dec 27 2017, 03:59 PM)
But what happens should the policy holder dies earlier than the life insured? The policy lapses?
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good question there! if im not mistaken, it will be automatically assigned to the life insured or the assigned trustee. need to confirm and get back to you again. correct me if im wrong wink.gif
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post Dec 28 2017, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(willwen @ Dec 27 2017, 04:41 PM)
So let's take AIA A-Life Med Regular as an example.  As a standalone medical plan, it is guaranteed renewable even after I diagnosed with an illness? Same for plans from other companies? There is a "non-cancellable" policy mentioned in the contract?

So what advantages are there for ILP? What I can only think of...
-forced savings
look at it this way, u r paying future cost of insurance first. smile.gif pay more upfront to cover future high insurance cost

-tax deduction for portion added to investment (but that may gradually lessen since insurance charges increase with age)
in the other way, yes, you can say so. at the same time, your medical and life insurance charges portion increase.
so tax deduction for medical and life insurance also increase.


-more stable investment funds (?)
very subjective. anyway it is just like the usual unit trust investment. still depends on what risk profile fund is selected

-better service from agent (i guess they get higher commission from ILP)  and hopefully get good agent that can also educate you on choices rather than having to ask in forums?
very subjective also. in this case, u can ask ur agent more to get clarification. true enough that not all agents can answer all ur question though.

-can attach additional riders ?
of course!

-slightly lower insurance charges perhaps?
its the same. you paid what you get for. wink.gif
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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Dec 28 2017, 11:34 AM)
For Prudential, is there an ILP rider for income replacements?
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u mean income replacement in what cases? cannot work due to accident causes? or cannot work due to major illness?

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 28 2017, 02:39 PM)
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No absolute right / wrong, just thinking out loud and logicalizing things  notworthy.gif
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rclxms.gif very well said! yea there is no right/wrong in this area. i think end of the day as long as client knows what they are getting and they get the peace of mind, thats the most important thing.

QUOTE(generate @ Dec 28 2017, 03:35 PM)
Basically, standalone critical illness plan is non-existent? Or there is no way I can add critical illness plan to my medical card? The only way is to get the ILP or life insurance and attach the rider to it. Same goes for TPD.

Is this correct?
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technically speaking yea. at the moment dont have standalone critical illness plan. get those traditional plan with critical illness benefit if you dont want medical card. still, it depends on what you want first and see whether ILP suits u or traditional suits u more.
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post Dec 29 2017, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 29 2017, 12:38 PM)
Medical Insurance - 3 things to share (or maybe these are only new to me  sweat.gif ) as i review my child's & my medical insurance policy VS current options, which may be of interest to U:

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very well said! good to educate this to people around!
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post Dec 30 2017, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(steventyy @ Dec 29 2017, 09:17 PM)
Hi all sifu here, can help to clear my doubt?

recent got a quote with GE Smartmedic extra 99 + smart extender 99...
so called renewal until 99 with annual limit 990, which is 90K + 900K = 990k.

Since the extender is actually a deductible, is there any situation or condition or case that i need to pay the 90k on my own?

im not sure whether this has been discussed before but TQVM in advance.
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extender deductible is actually covered by your SmartMedic Xtra

QUOTE(lifebalance @ Dec 29 2017, 09:50 PM)
biggrin.gif the last argument I had with a fellow GE agent few months back, they said in their website it's already removed on the limit.  biggrin.gif you can always call up the company to confirm again.
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yeap the brochure is updated already. all existing policy holder will enjoy the benefits also
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post Dec 30 2017, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Dec 30 2017, 02:51 PM)
What is 10 x 90k and lifetime limit 900k? What does it mean? Does it mean can claim 90k annually for 10 years?
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make it as simple as can claim 990k annually. up until 80 years if policy holder didnt extend to 99 years old
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post Dec 30 2017, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Dec 30 2017, 02:57 PM)
May I know in your example... the RM1 mil protection... what does it cover? U say pay rm63k to exchange for RM1 mil protection.... is RM1mil paid out immediately on diagnosis or what? Can't be that cause you are talking about medical card not critical illness coverage right?
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Medical Card generally covers hospitalization (admission) or surgery. he is referring to medical card RM1million.
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post Dec 30 2017, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Dec 30 2017, 04:00 PM)
If medical card covers 1 million annually, isn't it better to just get critical illness coverage of 1 mil? After all, how many people need to pay RM1mil medical fee annually? I am not saying medical fees cannot be that high but the majority of cases do not require 1mil annually. If it is critical illness, and the 1 mil is paid out in full upon diagnosis, isn't that more practical?
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Yes u r right. Critical Illness coverage is to replace household income should one temporary cannot work in the process of treatment and recovering. Medical Card serves another purpose to settle treatment fee.
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post Dec 30 2017, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 29 2017, 12:38 PM)
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Bro, can i share your important 3 points here? smile.gif
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post Dec 30 2017, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Dec 30 2017, 04:41 PM)
You mean medical card covers hospitalization costs for all illnesses (including CIs), or it doesn't cover CIs?
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yeap. it does covers CI. if admitted to hospital for treatment/surgery due to CI, the medical fees are covered.
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post Dec 31 2017, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(rcantona7 @ Dec 30 2017, 09:24 PM)
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But they have to pay for the R&B Coinsurance of 10% min rm500- 1k. If upgraded room the have to pay 20% Co-insurance.
This one is applicable to SmartMedic. If policyowner can go for newer plans - SmartMedic Xtra, this is not applicable already.

The things that you need to aware is
withdrawal portfolio, Termination of riders and 2 different claims in a policy year .
1. Portfolio Withdrawal Clause is already removed a year ago. hence no termination of riders (unless policy lapse)
2. 2 different claims in a policy year dont apply. The deductible clause in Smart Extender is per policy year and not per disability/admission.
bro, hope you get your facts right and updated. wink.gif

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 30 2017, 10:27 PM)
er.. heheh sure, it's a forum to share / discuss  biggrin.gif
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i wish to share it at somewhere else, can? perhaps let me quote you tongue.gif

QUOTE(matyrze @ Dec 31 2017, 02:43 PM)
Dear all, is it generally advisable to switch insurance company whenever we find 'better' plans compared to our existing one? What to consider if we want to switch?

Currently I am holding several policies for my family members, started around 2 years ago with Prudential HE+ plans. However I think there are better plans offered after going through Fundsupermart page (cheaper + higher annual limit + unlimited lifetime coverage).

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most important is consider whether existing plans can cover your financial risk. if cant, then need to upgrade/get new plans to fill up the financial risk shortfall. not too sure about FSM insurance plan but definitely it will be much much cheaper. since u already have the prudential plan, y not you look into upgrading from there first?

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post Jan 1 2018, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jan 1 2018, 01:51 PM)
Noted. So first, will need to get back to my Prudential agent to review my current plans. Will explore option of upgrading instead of changing company insurance. But the plans with unlimited lifetime is really tempting. We don't know how much medical cost will increase in the next 30 years.

On the bolded part, why do you say so? Is it because they are standalone insurance as lifebalance pointed out?
Noted and thanks for the advice. Well, contribution for investment portion of my current Prudential plan is already set at very minimum (or was it 0? Need to chack again). It was also as per agent advice, and I agreed with his reasoning. Just that I didn't explore options from other insurance plans at the time, and didn't aware that standalone medical plan was also widely available.
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because there is not agent involve. u also save from agent commission. and of course the plan benefits.

QUOTE(rsliew @ Jan 1 2018, 02:30 PM)
Is there any medical cards that covers husband and wife? we dont have  kids yet, im in my thirties.
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if u mean 1 package cover both husband and wife medical, i can only think of AIA family plan. else, mostly all insurance company have the medical card that covers each individually.
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post Jan 2 2018, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(willwen @ Jan 1 2018, 06:00 PM)
I already have medical ILP with annual limit $X.

Is it a good idea to top up with a standalone medical card from another company with deductible $X but with much higher limits? What are the cons to this?
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the only con i can think of is more spending. pay 2 sides insurance charges and 2 sides agent commission.


QUOTE(watabakiu @ Jan 1 2018, 07:26 PM)
And maybe because 1 medical card may have exclusions that the other card do not have?
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if got no major claims / medical history, shouldn't b no exclusions. shouldn't make any difference i guess.

QUOTE(aspartame @ Jan 1 2018, 08:33 PM)
May I know for buying insurance with fundsupermart (term insurance with critical illness).. is there a concern when it comes to claiming since there are no agents to help?
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it depends. since FSM got no servicing agents, i believe they make it easy for self claims service? just imagine you bought from Insurance Company X through Agent ABC, and when you wanna do claims and Agent ABC is not there for you, all you need to do is contacting Insurance Company X and submit the documents/forms needed.

QUOTE(wykoh2 @ Jan 1 2018, 08:46 PM)
Hi Sifus here,

Can I know any different if I pay my Investment-Link Insurance's premium anually or monthly? My agent told me that pay anually can have more cash value?

Thanks in advance
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very subjective. depends on when the premium is received by the company, what is the entry fund price. there's no guarantee that pay annually can have more cash value. the concept is like dollar-cost-averaging.
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post Jan 4 2018, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Jan 3 2018, 08:01 PM)
When submitting claims, the insurance companies would require original copies. How then does one submit the remainder for the claim to another insurance company?
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when u submit the balance claims to the 2nd insurance company, you can either submit the certified through copy or you can request for the Guarantee Letter from the first claim (from the first insurance company). then that will be much easier.

QUOTE(willwen @ Jan 3 2018, 11:08 PM)
I would imagine I could just show two medical cards, although from different companies, and the hospital can work things out...
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nope it doesnt work that way. can only use one at one time.
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post Jan 4 2018, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(willwen @ Jan 4 2018, 06:41 PM)
the hospital should work things out lah and know who to charge for what... that is called service mah... wtf, charge so much, service like s***... print bill and collect money is the most efficient...

private hospital nowadays are like those roadside taxi drivers in town... even those are just a minority...

wait until one day some disruptive technology comes along like Uber did...
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looking forward what blockchain can do here... hmm...

QUOTE(watabakiu @ Jan 4 2018, 08:02 PM)
You mean where we can all treat ourselves, operate ourselves, and get the supplies from hardware stores? I dont think this gonna happen aaaaaanytime soon
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i guess what willwen meant was hope something will force them to give better service. just using Uber as example perhaps.
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post Jan 11 2018, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(scottyvstheworld @ Jan 10 2018, 08:04 PM)
Hi guys, want to know is it possible to change a insurance plan type??? Example i currently have a great eastern plan called GMC2-300 can i just upgrade it to GMC2-400???

https://www.greateasternlife.com/content/da...-medicare-2.pdf
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yes you may upgrade nod.gif
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post Jan 12 2018, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(scottyvstheworld @ Jan 11 2018, 09:18 PM)
Nope noone contact me. Maybe was their own company?
How? Can i just walk into a GE branch and do it or need to find another agent???
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have to find any GE agent to do for you. yea any GE agent will do. when you do the upgrade, basically you pay for the new plan annual premium, the previous one will given back to you pro-rate.
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post Jan 15 2018, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Jan 14 2018, 05:28 PM)
1 blur blur question want to ask the sifus. For ILP, which would be best...

1) to make monthly payment
2) even though the policy states monthly, but i want to make single payment for the entire year (easier, as no need to think about making payment every month)
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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Jan 14 2018, 05:31 PM)
but single payment would be cheaper, right? and something about higher allocation for investment portion
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for convenience wise like what u mentioned in 2 (no need to think about making payment every month), yes you can make single payment even though it is scheduled monthly. but in this case, the cash value will be the same as monthly payment because whatever advance payment is being allocated to a suspended account (meaning when due date reached then only company will allocate that month's premium).

if you will like to make single payment for entire year, better change to "yearly" mode. so whatever payment you made for the entire year, company will deduct all insurance charges first and the balance will go into the "savings/investment" portion. meaning company have upfront more of your premium's balance to be allocated to that portion. thats it.
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post Jan 22 2018, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(1tanmee @ Jan 20 2018, 07:24 PM)
Is deductible and co-pay the same thing?
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sounds similar but actually not the same. kinda difficult to explain unless you can give a scenario.

QUOTE(sengee1989 @ Jan 22 2018, 12:08 AM)
I am now holding pru value medical card, premium each month RM 170,
is it consider standalone, which only coverage for hospitalisation and surgical, does it include 36 critical illness?

I planning change to investment linked policy, any advise

Age:29
Non smoker
Looking for cover 36 cri,hositalisation and surgical,waiver on 70 age
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with the premium RM170/month and your age, highly likely it is an ILP already. if it is an ILP policy, then ask ur agent what you can upgrade/add-on from there.

edit: Pru Value is not a standalone medical card. perhaps u can show us what you have instead?

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post Jan 22 2018, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(Estee_C @ Jan 22 2018, 04:40 PM)
Tumpang question.
Putting aside that there will be more premium upfront to purchase units and fluctuation of unit price at point of entry if one pays monthly. Is there a definite way we can find out the exact differences in administrative charges of a monthly payment versus say half yearly or yearly?

If my insurance premium amounts to about RM30K a year, should I consider paying monthly with intention that i can invest the difference/ put in FD.
Am currently paying half yearly.
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good question there! in my opinion, the method i will use is to generate the quotation of the same plan with 3 different payment frequency. from there you will see whether is there any difference or not. the difference is quite minimal i would say. if u know what you want to do with your money, you can follow your own financial arrangement. There is not right or wrong. your way of paying monthly and balance put in FD is also a workable way in my humble opinion. so long as you dont miss the monthly due date, it looks fine to me.
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QUOTE(Estee_C @ Jan 22 2018, 05:26 PM)
There are much differ opinion on riders for waiver of premium for payor/ for life assured (in this case child), in all the sifus opinion, are these kind of rider really necessary?
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this really depends on:
1. your needs. in your opinion, without this waiver and if you can bear the risk and will not be financially burden, then you might not need it. you still have to decide yourself whether it really helps you in your situation or not.
2. budget. more riders of course premium higher. if you have the need and budget is not a problem, yea you can add it in just for the peace of mind.

QUOTE(Estee_C @ Jan 22 2018, 05:37 PM)
Thanks. Can I still ask for the company to generate a quote even if i have bought the policy??
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highly likely nope. or you can show me all the riders you have, i can generate a quotation to show the estimated charges based on what you have. wont be 100% accurate but the estimation is roughly there. if yours is GE policy, others company i cant generate for you.

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