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Ramjade
post Jul 16 2017, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(Msxxyy @ Jul 16 2017, 04:37 PM)
Anyone bought aggressive portfolio under FSM managed portfolio? How is the performance so far?
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If you want aggressive, I think it's better you DIY by buying all equities. Go max out.

QUOTE(Msxxyy @ Jul 16 2017, 05:17 PM)
Hmm...u mean like conservative and balanced port in general better for long term?

Maybe it is hard to evaluate because it was newly introduced. I am also wondering if FSM Singapore has introduced earlier and their performance so far. Though will be managed by different team, but I thought it is good to know   sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ganaesan @ Jul 16 2017, 05:38 PM)
General believe is if we are young, late 20 or early 30's, go for growth funds... If late 40 or 50's better go for conservative funds.. Unsure whether this concept or theory works in portfolio or not..

Just to share, when FSM started managed portfolio back in May, I was tempted too.. So I did some research on FSM Hong Kong and Singapore managed portfolio.. From my memory, it was moderate aggressive and balanced port which yield the most..

In the end I abort my plan
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I believed FSM SG returns are better. Reason:
1) better and wider fund selection
2) lower fees. Flat platform fees of 0.5% p.a only. No other charges.

Ask dasecret how is it. She invest in FSM SG MAPS. I don't even havr account with FSM SG.

Btw, SG ETF robo investor Stashaway and Smartly are live and accept customers now.

QUOTE(MNet @ Jul 16 2017, 07:19 PM)
I already slow down, now waiting for econ crisis
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Same here.

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jul 16 2017, 07:38 PM)
hope you managed to save enough to buy in. most people will be scrambling to survive and at the market indices will be the last thing on their minds. never ask for a recession because it's never a good thing.
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I want one. When people are scrambling to sell, it's a buyer market. It's no longer a seller market. Imagine picking up a house in KV for <RM200k. Hey it's business. There's a willing buyer and seller. Who ask the seller to sell unless he/she needs cash badly. Stocks will be hit hard. Good bargains drool.gif No pity on my part.

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post Jul 16 2017, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(HahaCat @ Jul 16 2017, 08:41 PM)
If you pump in at a big correction (does not need to be a global financial crisis) but at period ie: Feb 2016 of China Meltdown. U make about 50% per annum. When reach that level, can divest back to a regular portfolio (with mixture of top malaysia fund, top asia ex fund, top developed market fund) if there is nothing else to ride on at the moment. As we are looking at global synchronized growth now. The next financial crisis will be a big one. We are looking at several markets across the globe at all time high now. If it go down, it will be the most opportune time in the last 10 years. If u miss it, wait next opportunity. So daily monitoring is necessary for big stake holders.
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I agree fully with this. It's a buyer market. Those selling at a loss is their problem. Every transaction have a willing buyer and seller.
Ramjade
post Jul 16 2017, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(HahaCat @ Jul 16 2017, 08:58 PM)
I also don't recall Warren Buffet, (an idol for all value investor here probably) not taking opportunity, advantage of cheap valuations and seizing opportunistic deals.

Please understand that while WB ask all to buy and hold. He did not become wealthy by investing in unit trust. He became wealthy by buying stocks at cheap valuations (ie: washington post) and HOLD on to it until it reaches its fair value. And reap off the benefits (ie: his bet on petrochina). And he does it by leveraging on insurance money he received interest free from Berkshire. So no.1 leverage, no.2 buy at low and hold to maturity or reaches fair value. He is essentially a value stock picker. In the last financial crisis, he came out to buy at low and took advantage as well.

Damn a lot of other tycoons made their fortune this way including prominent Li Ka Shing (ie: 1997 Hong Kong).

We know by being sharp at defining moments like these is wat makes the most money.

Why do we even accept a 2nd way?

I am the most conservative investor in here. By not taking risk, is the riskiest move in itself.

Those UT consultant here who took FIMM license, you are all fully aware that Msian regulations allow leveraging of unit trust up to 66%. Which means by right we are allowed to borrow up to 66% of our total fund invested in a unit trust. Many banks now do not offer this at all because they had bad experience before. Lend money to customer but unit trust cannot make it, didn't make enuf returns so customer also dont want to pay back. Become bad loans.
Those were the days. So today, everyone is not offered this opportunity. Everyone also believes borrow to invest in Unit Trust is crazy and wrong and bad and confirm fail. In the past we dont have FSM, no internet, dont have free flow of knowledge and fast moving news. Today, its a whole different story but we still live in the past. Hehe.
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QUOTE(overclockalbert @ Jul 16 2017, 10:56 PM)
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Are we allowed to leverage in UT? new things for me  smile.gif
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I don't think unit trust use leverage. Only hedge fund uses leverage. Malaysia tak ada hedge fund. I am personally against using leverage to invest. If want to borrow. Use own money.
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post Jul 17 2017, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 17 2017, 10:48 AM)
Thanks to our new participants Hahacat, this thread has become so alive and so much new material to discuss / debate about.

Let me chime in:

Many past forumers have came and gave their two cents worth about how doom and gloom the market etc bla bla bla... and this prediction has been going on for years and years. the earliest I can think of is Dreamer101, for he is the granddaddy of doom and gloom (Dr Doom). He had been saying about how bad the economy will be etc bla bla since like ten years ago.

Nowadays we are still here, bunch of kay poh chee toking kok everyday over the forum. Has his prediction come true? My point is, somehow, someday, someone will come into this forum and purvey another doom and gloom scenario.... and he will be one of many yet to come.

With regards to leveraging using UTF, I have been a participant of UTF since 2005 and a holder of FIMM license from 2008 to 2013, I am not aware of the facilities of leveraging 66%. It was never discussed nor talk about. If what is said is true, it should have been made known either formally by the seniors or informally through the grapevine.

On the topic of Bombay fund, the most recent Algozen™ ver four reading which was about a month back said, this fund is only suitable for those in the high risk category and the max allocation should be not more than ten percent.

Xuzen

P/s With regards to Malaysian allocation, I exited completely from KGF in first qtr of 2016, I start to enter it again in June 2017, a hiatus of 18 months. My theme is to ride on the GE - 14 play. Yes, I am betting on this old horse once again.
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Then pull out before GE14 or after GE14? tongue.gif

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post Jul 17 2017, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Jul 17 2017, 04:19 PM)
I beg to differ bro.

Most investors loose tons of "potential return" by just waiting to pump in during the next crisis.

Are you able to predict exactly when the next crisis would be and when stock prices would be bottom low ?
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You don't need to know the bottom. Near the bottom cukup.

Unit trusts are still basket of stocks. Never forget that. Fund manager can't hold 100% cash which means they can't escape the inevitable. biggrin.gif devil.gif

Besides it's almost due. Give it another 1-2 more years. US valuation too high, in US people are using leverage to jack up profit (graph of leverage same as last time: according to bloomberg), US increase rates even though it numbers don't look good (when in actual fact, they are trying to bring interest rates back up quickly and reduce balance sheet so that they can reduce it quickly when next crisis hits), Warren buffet said he is sitting on cash, china bad debts is growing.

As you can see the stars are all align. It's inevitable. When govt and warren buffet are also preparing for it, common people like us must also prepare for it.

If want to put in your cash now, go ahead. I rather sit on the side lines.

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post Jul 17 2017, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jul 17 2017, 06:23 PM)
question is what do we buy if things go to shit? unit trust? stocks?
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Up to you. Stocks, unit trust, house. For me, I want min 10% dividend stocks on SGX. No brainer.

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post Jul 17 2017, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jul 17 2017, 06:30 PM)
My FSM SG MAPS balance growth portfolio returns to-date is:
ROI 5.05%
IRR 13.21%

This is based on lumpsum in Dec 2016 and subsequently RSP every month since Feb 2017
I'm pretty happy with the results to-date. No individual loss making fund in the portfolio and they've performed 2 portfolio rebalancing exercise to-date
What's the point to talk about leveraging when no banks in the market would lend you based on your unit trust holdings? Just like talking about borrowing more to buy properties when the banks won't approve your loan eventhough it's below DSR 70%
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Msxxyy, there you go. FSM SG returns.

If you are good customer. Banks will loan you.

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post Jul 18 2017, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 18 2017, 05:52 PM)
What makes you so sure ?  blink.gif
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I agree with ancient. Guy's style of writing is different and guy got his own favourite fund. Not this kind.
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post Jul 18 2017, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jul 18 2017, 07:29 PM)
Can somebody please explain what does it mean that the Eastspring Investments Small Cap Fund is "soft-closing from 12 April 2017 until further notice."

What does this mean? The fund has been totally removed from the Eastspring website. sad.gif
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I guess you must be late and never heard the news. Soft close means the fund manager is not accepting any more new customers/topups.The fund is too big for the fund manager's liking. (cannot generate huge profit with the given cash)
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post Jul 18 2017, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 18 2017, 09:00 PM)
some thing may of interest......
seems like Ponzi 2.0 is  bruce.gif  vs the zzzzzz Ponzi 1.0 for the past 3 mths
hmm.gif is it due to the soft closing of Ponzi 1.0...FM no more strength?  sad.gif
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No. Ponzi 2 woke up because of USD strength. Sweet time of low USD is over. USD start to gain power again. sad.gif

With ponzi 1 30% amount in malaysia, it mirrors KGF and Eastspring. All 3 stagnant.


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post Jul 19 2017, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Jul 19 2017, 10:34 AM)
As we're approaching the 10 year economic cycle, probably want to play a little bit more defensive next year.
I'm curious to know what funds does well when equities are not doing well.
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Come come. Amanah saham. Good time, bad time, one gets min 6%.
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post Jul 19 2017, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 19 2017, 11:32 AM)
Any really experienced before ?  Did Amanah Saham indeed deliver the 6% during terribly bad time ?
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1998/2008/china incidence/3 years of non performing malaysian equities are all real testimony to it's retuen. Insider info said amanah saham policy min policy is 6%. They won't give lesser than that.

How true that is, well insider info have been right all along.

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post Jul 19 2017, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jul 19 2017, 11:33 AM)
It is out of the question as there are no available units for people other than Malays/Bumi...?
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Rubbish. It's always available. Is see whether those working in the banks want to try to topup for you or not or decide to pull a quick oscar.

Now with free online topup, no need meed to face those people anymore.

QUOTE(dasecret @ Jul 19 2017, 11:36 AM)
I think a better way to gauge ASx returns is - 1.5% to 2% above prevailing FD rate

During the 98 crisis, their returns were double digit because the FD rate was double digit

So if in the very unlikely event that FD rate fall below 2%; it won't be 6% la
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1. FD rates won't go below that level.
2. Already said insider info mention min level is 6%.They also takut bank run you know.

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post Jul 19 2017, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(newdnewd @ Jul 19 2017, 12:28 PM)
Is the USD really gaining strength? I've been reading the USD going down for the past week or so.
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USD gain slightly. Actually if you noticed, RM is only defended against USD while it is left to slide against all currency sad.gif

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 19 2017, 12:26 PM)
heheh - he sounds like the same type of salty person that tried to sell LAND BANKING in the US to my friend.

"Mutual funds / UTs cannot do wan. make 2% to 3% only or losses. I know coz i was from MAA"
funny fler, he started squirming when i poked him with details & proof on his own "investments" into land banking, UTs, etc.
Dont even know the tool, simply use and then say stupid hammer cannot screw in the dang thing  laugh.gif
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Actually I agree with this. Most active fund in US cannot even beat the S&P500. There are exception of course. If were to look at our own active funds, how many actually beat the KLCI hmm.gif

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post Jul 20 2017, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 20 2017, 04:24 PM)
Recently all the nice bond funds are performing badly. They are going underwater, performing worse than FD now. I am thinking to dump all these bad performers.  devil.gif
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No bonds. But my manulife AP reits + my s-reits still flying.

Only downside, can't topup anything. sad.gif

Go up also susah. Go down also susah. sad.gif
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post Jul 20 2017, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(atyt1985 @ Jul 20 2017, 02:13 PM)
Guys i am new here. I just activated my account. I plan to invest with RM4k first as a start. Can give a lil bit pointers on how i should diversify my portfolio? What funds should i look at? I am 31 years old by the way and my risk profile is adverse
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You can use this Boglehead 4 fund strategy
I prefer 5-6 funds
30% world stocks (it's bias at 50% towards US)
Modify it to 15% US/ 15% asia pacific

30% - SG
Modified:
- 10% Malaysia (KGF) + 10% manulife india + 10% cimb china
- 15% Malaysia/15% SG (nikko)

30% - bond
Use Affin Hwang Select Bond

10% reits
Use Manulife AP reits

Come good/bad time, make sure you topup by following the %. There you go no easy peasy.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 20 2017, 04:38 PM)
hmm.gif can fit all these in RM4000 and risk adverse too?
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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jul 20 2017, 04:44 PM)
most of the funds require initial RM1000. The maths doesn't add up to the RM4000 initial capital.
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Buy first. Later when have money can readjust to make it 5-6 funds. RM4k is enough to do 4 funds allocation.
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post Jul 20 2017, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(e-lite @ Jul 20 2017, 05:12 PM)
Warren Buffet: Diversification or Di-worse-ification?
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If you are like hahacat, can go for concentration.

QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 20 2017, 05:17 PM)
Cant.

4k capital too small for all fund above...
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RM1K/fund la. Buy other fund/topup when have more money.
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jul 20 2017, 05:16 PM)
Exactly! Which is why is said in my earlier posts that both quantitative & qualitative + an unemotional judgment call needs to be made. In case of imminent war, no need to wait for the X% drop, just switch or cash out immediately.
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Bad time is good time for shopping. If you run and hide in cash, you are missing opportunities.

That's why for this purpose, I am building up my cash to take advantage of the next big plunge ue any time (in this 1-2 years time). Hold back temptation to buy.

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post Jul 20 2017, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Jul 20 2017, 06:56 PM)
You know, when I first learnt of this concept and saw it in action, you were probably still in diapers. The "contrarian investing" moniker was probably not even invented yet. There were such investors of course but it was not a "thing" like it is now. Now its just so overused that it eventually becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Spitting out theory is easy since hindsight is always 20/20. I would like to see how you execute it and then share your story with us.

It is not my intention to put you down, I wish I had your enthusiasm, access to easy knowledge and some money to invest at your age. I just want to put you in your rightful place - you are a budding investor who has not yet got his battle scars but you are very eager to give advice to others who's background you know nothing about. Some people could take your advice as the gospel truth and get burnt badly you know?
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Excuse me? I have already went through that with ASG. Thank you very much. Lost 15%+ within few weeks. Did I panic and sell it off? No.
Want me to go on some more? Can. People were saying SG economy slowing down, S-reits doom, oversupply office and industrial space, what did I do? Pump in money into S-reits. Today I am sitting on double digit returns for my S-reits. Some still single digit. Yes. Singapore reits. Not maalysian reits. So it's 3x my loss vs just 1 time. One can get high dividend when no one wants it (yes I am targeting high dividends for my stocks)

Singtel was sold down because of new competition in AU and SG. Did I just look? Nope. I jumped in. I could have bought Singtel at SGD4+, but I waited for my chance to get it at SGD3.9x+ (I was too impatient). If further selldown of Singtel happen, will I buy, hell yes.

Now I am waiting for next opportunity (amazon opening shop in SG soon), selldown of S-reits again. The key is confidence in what you want to buy. Imagine getting >10% dividend yearly because of your choice.

Read this and you won't be so scared of down market.
http://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot....dollars-by.html
http://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot....e-strategy.html

Nope. That is not my blog. But one SG blogger. Wish it was mine.

Always have warchest ready to deploy to get juicy dividends. Market downturn is an opportunity. I don't need to be contrarian. I just need to bide my time to get juicy dividend for income.

For UT, I am also doing the same. Waiting for next opportunity to come then pump money in SG UT.

Anyway, DCA works on the principal that during down times, if one put in fix amount of money regardless of market condition, downtime helps one to buy at "cheaper price". If one panic during downtime instead of DCA as normal, one will lose out. By DCAing, one will bring down the cost of the fund overtime.

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