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post Dec 17 2020, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Dec 17 2020, 09:55 AM)
else everything go up all the time becomes a problem too like in the US. laugh.gif

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What problem? Stashaway, Wahed gonna give you LOD. tongue.gif

QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Dec 17 2020, 09:55 AM)
until then the only saviour of malaysia market seems to be glove stocks. and i hope if a global cyclical rally do come, some will spill over a little bit to malaysia too.
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Economic spill over kan dah 6 months ago started and recently ended. Now we are paying the price for our great saviours of Malaysia, Superman, TG, become slave drivers and top contributor to Covid infection..

I admit I didn't catch that boat, and I probably never will.
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post Dec 21 2020, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Dec 21 2020, 06:37 PM)
Unit split declared for Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR -> 3 : 4; Received 3 new units for every 4 units hold.

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Interestingly that the PRS fund declared its first time distribution first:

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Wondering if that unit split will alter the PRS fund NAV too? hmm.gif
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don't they realize this makes tracking their returns ever so troublesome...... vmad.gif bangwall.gif
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post Dec 21 2020, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Dec 21 2020, 10:58 PM)
How so?
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i dunno about you, for me i track the units i own at price i buy vs the value at present. When each unit split, then i have to back track and recalculate each of the time i buy.
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post Dec 22 2020, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Dec 21 2020, 11:29 PM)
Just add the units back into your total holdings with zero value (cost)
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QUOTE(roarus @ Dec 21 2020, 11:30 PM)
I just do lazy way and add a buy entry of units received at 0 cost  tongue.gif
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Yes, I do this....but if you are planning to track every dollar earned per dollar spent it is troublesome loh. I mean every new unit came from some unit purchased some time ago. If you are into this kind of thing. I just checked back my own tracking > I have already given up this crazy exercise lol (just didnt remember).
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post Dec 24 2020, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 24 2020, 06:17 PM)
In the event of a market corrections, how many % of paper losses of your portfolio can you "tahan" to see before you quit those funds to conserves whatever $$ balance in your portfolio?
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United global quality equity and global tech fund can be considered.

But most importantly you need to hang in, don't sell out to spend or invest your spending money
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post Dec 29 2020, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Dec 29 2020, 05:22 PM)
quite powerful eh
mine went from positive double digit become negative double digit...almost same number laugh.gif
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Pi mai pi mai tang tu.
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post Dec 30 2020, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Dec 30 2020, 08:01 PM)
Can summarize in layman terms what the impact is to retail leisure investors like us?  rclxub.gif
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ya, is this a warning to us?
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post Dec 31 2020, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Dec 31 2020, 10:12 AM)
Ah I see where this is going. I noticed there are tons of adds on youtube for local online investment training. I think the gov is moving to regulate them to ensure these people are qualified.
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I hope this covers those who talk about unit trust, ETF, Investment linked insurance.

Quite a few unscrupulous folks are coming out with videos , talks and even paid seminars that end up benefiting the talker rather than the participant. This is a major conflict of interest. You look at US based advise, almost all the content generator will end with the disclaimer do they own anything they are recommending, and do they stand to profit from any action taken from the advise.

I'm just picking a random example. Nowhere do I say that is the best, it is just the most common English based medium.
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post Jan 7 2021, 11:43 AM

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Hey Grumpy. Dont be too offended. Next time just put there disclaimer std. I don't own this share or trust fund. Done.

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post Jan 7 2021, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 7 2021, 01:13 PM)
One of the critical parameters needed in Algozen™ ver four, that is, correlation coefficient matrix which was previously available for free in Morningstar is now a paid only service. Hence Algozen™ ver four is in suspended animation indefinitely until I can those data back online.

Sigh  cry.gif

There will not be new update for the time being.

Xuzen
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Jan 7 2021, 02:10 PM)
It's tedious but u can actually built your own correlation coefficient matrix with just raw data from fsm.
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Ya. Build own diy better. Tell us, sifu what are the funds and parameters you input 😛

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post Jan 10 2021, 03:25 PM

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put a bit of perspective, most tech or internet related stocks don't have 5 years history much less 10.

Alibaba has been in business far longer than 10, its just their listing in NYSE is recent.

Many are against tech investing for the fear of the unknown, lack of fundamental etc. While there are those who are adamant on this being the future. I think one thing no one can easily calculate is PEG in a sense of being pragmatic vs hyperbolic. One easy example is TSLA.

My unqualified and potentially gonna end up poor take is to diversify a bit, and follow the herd a bit.

I like the saying time will tell. But my friend who has his first 2 bucket of gold says time waits for no man.

Good luck.

Disclaimer: I'm not inducing anyone to buy or sell anything, and I don't stand to directly earn or lose from you buying or selling.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 12 2021, 04:54 PM)
here is an old article

When To Take Profits?
When should an investor consider taking profits? This article sheds light.

Mah Ching Cheng/ Published on 11 Nov 2005
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/articl...to-take-profits

just hope they are still relevant
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I think this is not relevant
The analyst is asking the investor to check the PE ratio of the country or index. Whereas this may wholly not be correct for the fund in question. How would we know what is the buying price of the share that the fund paid for?

Put in another way, shouldn’t the fund manager take appropriate measures to cut their exposure instead.

If an investor were to directly buy the share, yes, I agree. But mutual fund.....I think missing a few points.

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post Jan 12 2021, 09:58 PM

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Both PE and PEG just trying to predict future returns based on past performance. In this sense I think only a very small group of assets can be safely applicable. Such as those having long history of predictable performance like banks, air cond, toll receipt maybe. Perhaps before COVID, many more can be predicted.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 12 2021, 10:03 PM)
that is why, most would say....let the FM do the positioning....
PE is just a matrix......there are alot more matrixes to use to make the allocation and positioning....
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Because I tend to agree with your point, then comes the question, what will be a good time to exit?

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so basically you exit when you think there is a better option elsewhere....that sounds completely logically.
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QUOTE(ky33li @ Jan 14 2021, 09:16 AM)
A financial planner from IFast offer me wrap fee of 1% before. Expected annual return of 6-8% from the portfolio it suggested.
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Management fees from each individual fund is still applicable right?

Wrap account is attractive if you have a lot of capital in iFast and at the same time, have a strong preference to DIY. Seriously though, 1% + fund charges, to nett a 6-8% return is kinda meh.

I wonder if they quoted you the historical volatility / sharpe ratio.
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post Jan 14 2021, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(ky33li @ Jan 14 2021, 10:06 AM)
i prefer to DIY myself. Only invested in 2 feeder funds in FSM cos i serioualy think local fund managers cannot make it. After i got to know a way to invest in FSM Singapore and it has more interesting sectors like Sustainable energy, climate change, tech, china disruptive, future transport and ETC,  I deploy more of my funds there, best part is zero sale charge there!!! The choice is very obvious isnt it.
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Just go for ETF. Low fees and you can see the live value ticking until you fall asleep tired.

QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Jan 14 2021, 10:10 AM)
Same view.. that's why been increasing china possition since last year..

I just sell off underperforming fund and currently waiting for the money to settle..
Damn.. time for completion 19th of January..
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I took it 1 step further, full liquidate Malaysia funds and was in process of liquidating Principal Asia Pac Dynamic income fund too.

Was wanting to follow uncle Xuzen for KAF Tactical, but gonna hold back due to MCO2.0


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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Jan 14 2021, 10:45 AM)
For Malaysia, my view probably small rally until August. Hence I'm still holding kgo. Not gonna top up since myself also actively trading in bursa

Based on my knowledge, as of now the performing UT that heavily in HK are Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income. So I'm still holding with monthly DCA.
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Ya, but it was lagging behind behind its peers (Affin Hwang Asia Pac opportunity). Recently bounced a bit harder, so I am switching to lock in my profit so to speak.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 14 2021, 01:07 PM)
this thing just came "thingkling" (no such word), just playing around my mind ....
currently had a tiny bit of surplus money that i may not need till next year...can afford loses...not bother with the sales charges

i am thinking of using that money to gamble abit by following the BEST top 10 of last month for a month....

like example,....every 2nd of the month,....view the BEST performed funds in FSM for last month standing,....
start with pick the BEST one initially
then next month, if that selected fund is still on the top 10 of the list.....keep it
else, switch it to the BEST from that list again....

anyone observed the trend of the funds before?
chances of failure?
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this strategy is so easy to back test. But as is usual, since past performance does not guarantee returns. It also applies that when you back track, say 2008 to 2013 and found that your method works between 2013 to 2015, it may or may not apply to 2016 to 2019. So, in essence, so far there is no algorithm that guarantees success. If I dare to guess, perhaps some algo will try, like Stashaway, to minimize RISK / Volatility based on past data.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 14 2021, 06:42 PM)
What are the easiest way to (back test) find the top 10 best performers of each month for the past few years n its ROI too?
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i probably misused the word easy. It definitely possible but cumbersome. But if I wanted to do this I will use Investing.com or FSM chart center, export it to Excel > start sorting away based on monthly returns.

I think after that to automate this, need to write some software. But I'm not a SW engineer...so I suppose I'll just keep plugging away with Excel.
One thing to note, is that funds have sales charge and yearly charges. So, in theory, buying, selling and rebuying a same fund say 6 cycles a year will incur 1.5% x 6 = 9% loss.

Now, if you are interested in yearly returns, then you can really use some online portfolio back test such as
https://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic....36dbab#p5382859



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