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 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post Feb 20 2017, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 10:07 PM)
Here you go
https://www.poems.com.sg/utzerofees/

Why no fees? Good question
1) They are having price war with FSM SG. FSM SG thought they are smart by making all their funds with 0% SC so Phillip and Dollardex foughtback by offering 0% SC also plus )% platform fees.
2) 3 is a crowd. With 3 companies fighting for customers, there is no monopoly unlike in Malaysia. Because of 3 companies, SG banks also lower their price. Some banks SC are 1%/0.75% shocking.gif

How Phillip earn money? Good question.
1) They are one of SG main broker. SG brokerage is not cheap unlike Malaysia. Then also have margin trading.
2) FSM have where and what to invest. Phillip SG also have and they charge people for those wishing to attend SGD40/person. But if got promo it's SGD10/person.

These are what I found out.
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poems sg also have 0.5% switching fee, dont forget about that tongue.gif
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post Feb 21 2017, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(gsan @ Feb 21 2017, 10:15 PM)
think to switch my cash DDI from PM PSSCF to another better fund with lower sale charge... any recommendation?

1. Kenanga Growth Fund
2. CIMB-Principal Small Cap Fund
3. Or any other better small cap fund?

this fund invested for since 1/11/2013 and the profit is -0.01% as of today.
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You can either go for KGF or kap chai (EI small cap)
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post Feb 22 2017, 08:59 PM

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apparently selina fund is also giving distribution sweat.gif
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post Feb 23 2017, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 23 2017, 08:33 PM)
Yeah the SG one only shows the SGD class which has 1.45 volatility.

In FSM MY, 3 classes are available. Assume that initial investment non issue, which class better ?
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A video interview about this fund 2 years ago:
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/fsmwe...atSubHeaderId=1

UNITED ASIAN HY BOND DIST SGD
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/#!...Y-Bond-Dist-SGD

Their performance is similar, since they are essentially the same fund

The only thing different is the currency impact.

Bear in mind that the target fund is denominated in USD (similar to ponzi 2)

Assuming you using myr balance to invest:

If you go for myr class, your investment amount will not be affected by currency fluctuation, however, your performance will fluctuate with added forex risk against USD

If you go for SGD/USD classes, your investment amount will fluctuate according to exchange rate, however, your investment amount will be secured against forex fluctuation (taking SGD as a stronger currency compared to myr)

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post Feb 23 2017, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 23 2017, 08:59 PM)
Assuming initial investment non issue. Only concern is to maximize return.
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In that case, after factoring into currency performance, IMO, the difference is negligible laugh.gif

Personally I will choose myr class, easier for me to top up, only requiring myr1k (sgd 1k top up for sgd class and usd 1k top up for usd class)

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post Feb 23 2017, 09:12 PM

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The difference may due to several factors such as currency rate difference during the transaction of buy sell in each funds in different time, so is really hard to say which one will be better over a period with certainty given their similar performance (unless u think 1% is a big difference to you and you dont mind currency fluctuation affecting your top up amount tongue.gif)

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post Feb 23 2017, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 23 2017, 09:11 PM)
Sigh, shows that a lot of funds perform are due to weakening MYR.
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You could say that, but fundamentally, if you compared the original fund, united asian hy bond fare better than rhb emerging market bond fund in both absolute return and risk return ratio

there are other hy fund in fsm my fare a lot better than united aisan hy fund, but fundamentally, not as good

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post Feb 23 2017, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(Nemozai @ Feb 23 2017, 09:13 PM)
Hi everyone,

Newbie questions. When I look through the Fund Ranking by FSM. This is the results.

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Under 1 years returns, I see that certain funds offer 40++% returns.
This seems unrealistic to me  blink.gif Or this is how it is supposed to be? rclxms.gif (I don't know, need your advice)

Can I assume that this is due to the facts that these funds had just launched and this is the results of volatility?
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You need to understand what caused the rise of performance.

For instance, brazil and gold have significant boost in performance in 2016
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post Feb 24 2017, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 24 2017, 02:12 PM)
Thanks for quoting this article. Enlighten me about the mechanics.
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Still depends on what types of bond does the fund invest in tongue.gif
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post Feb 24 2017, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 24 2017, 02:20 PM)
Care to elaborate why certain bonds will behave differently ?
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For example, high yield bond funds is less impacted by interest rate compared to normal bond funds because high yield bonds tends to be factor more by the underlying bond credit risk (since they invest in lower credit rating companies)

Shorter duration bonds also less impacted compared to longer duration bonds since they mature fast and less impact on their valuation smile.gif
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post Feb 24 2017, 07:31 PM

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To Avangelice and all our east malaysian buddies, do yourselves and the ones you care a favor by voting here:

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...aysia!-8040
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post Feb 24 2017, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 24 2017, 02:33 PM)
Thanks for bring out the high yield bond funds part, as I am still thinking if there is a 'better timing' to enter it.
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 24 2017, 02:38 PM)
High Yield bond is also known as junk bonds or non investment bonds. They are loans to companies considered high risk due to their lower credit rating. So the more pressing risk is whether these company will default. But my understanding is they are also exposed to rate increase but this risk is lower compared to defaults.

We  may not be so adversely affected depending on the fund that we buy. I think if you buy US bond fund then now is the time for you to find contingency.  I think most of us buy MY, AP or EM bond fund, less effect. No direct impact but may feel secondary impact due to interconnecting factors.
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killdavid is right about this.

I think i shared something similar in fsm sg thread, as below:

QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 14 2017, 09:49 AM)
From Investopedia : Are High-Yield Bonds Too Risky?
You should care more about the default risk for high yield bond, because those companies with low credit rating are the ones that provide the high bond yield to attract capital investment to compensate their higher risk of default
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post Feb 24 2017, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(skynode @ Feb 24 2017, 07:51 PM)
*NOOB QUESTION ALERT*

If I buy into a fund using Cash Management Fund (CMF), how do I adjust my excel spreadsheet to reflect the transaction?
Is it :
(A) sell CMF + buy said fund?
OR
(B) switching from CMF to said fund?

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I think is the same, but entry wise, A will be more appropriate
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QUOTE(biastee @ Feb 25 2017, 02:48 PM)
Noob question alert

Why is the RHB EM's performance (bid-to-bid ann. return) so different from United Asian EM's when the former invests >95% into the latter?

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For a new guy with neither time nor interest to do the necessary research, then the shortcuts are: 1. chase FD promos (follow bbgoat), 2. let the Relation Manager lead us by the nose (typically to poor returns), or 3. follow Xuzen's and other sifus' ports.
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The feeder fund is in MYR, the target fund is in SGD.

MYR performance will be influence by currency fluctuation (if myr depreciate against SGD, MYR performance will boost and vice versa)
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post Feb 25 2017, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(biastee @ Feb 25 2017, 04:14 PM)
Thank you for the answer. RM--SGD was relatively stable over 2012-2014 and so, I didn't expect to see such a large difference between the 5-year ann. returns.
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You sure? sweat.gif

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post Feb 28 2017, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Feb 28 2017, 08:28 PM)
from what you said, FSM SG is real terrible. platform fee of 0.4%p.a converted to RM, big amount already.

Do POEMS needs Singapore Bank Account too?
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Boss, this can be discuss in fsm sg thread, you want kena bombared here? sweat.gif
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post Feb 28 2017, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 28 2017, 09:34 PM)
there was a distribution? fml. can they notify holders of the funds?
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It showed with a D sign in your holding sweat.gif tongue.gif
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post Mar 1 2017, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Mar 1 2017, 02:27 PM)
Emm ...got a few high yield bond fund like :
RHB Asian High Yield Fund - MYR
Eastspring Investments Asian High Yield Bond MY Fund - MYR Hedged
United Asian High Yield Fund - MYR

What you think of them ? Eastspring one 30% gain in six months !
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The 30% is due to MYR depreciation, otherwise would not be that much sweat.gif
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post Mar 1 2017, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 1 2017, 02:34 PM)
No wonder all these High Yield Bond fund not appear under Algozen™ radar. They all have less than three years historical data.

My Algozen™ auto reject UTF that have less than three years historical data.

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But the target fund was at least 5 years hmm.gif
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post Mar 1 2017, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 1 2017, 02:37 PM)
Algozen™ culled her data input from FSM MY mah... not FSM SG. That is why it auto reject HY Bond fund lor!
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Time to upgrade Algozen™ innocent.gif

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