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 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post Feb 14 2017, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Feb 14 2017, 11:03 AM)
so with you it's all or nothing then? in terms of taking it out.
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Skimming profit effectively reduce your chance for future growth.

Reinvesting the profit elsewhere will also charge you SC (in UT) or commissions (in stock trading)

If you believe the region is going to bearish soon, sell all will be better than skim profit since you will still expose your capital to the bearish risk
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post Feb 14 2017, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(drew86 @ Feb 14 2017, 12:01 PM)
Much agreed. From a layman's perspective, I don't think "skimming" profit actually does anything to protect capital or mitigate risk (if only the profit portion is sold). Plus the money will be floating yet again for the entire duration of the switch/buy/sell transactions AND you will have to incur SC once again when buying into another equity (not if intra switch/credit ninja trick is performed).

Furthermore, isn't selling off and buy back when low "timing the market?" Let's not get back into that. If one can do it timely and consistently, good for you! I know I can't..

The only time skimming profit to put in another less performing/greater bullish potential fund, in my opinion is when there is no new capital injection and thus performing rebalancing of the portfolio. Otherwise why not just VCA and avoid the "expensive" fund for the tine being?

Please correct me if I'm having the wrong perception of things here. After all I'm still learning as I'm investing.
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Different people have different view maybe biggrin.gif

If really want to skim or transfer your money into different funds in different timing to maximize growth opportunity, try to invest in the funds that the fund house has several good equities and bonds arsenal, so that you can intra switch between them in different times of the bull bear cycles smile.gif

Fund houses like Eastspring, Affin Hwang and CIMB are actually good fund houses with free switching smile.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Feb 14 2017, 03:36 PM)
thanks man. i'll look into these funds. any idea why registering with FSM requires EPF account number?
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thats optional if not mistaken, unless u wanna invest with epf money
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post Feb 14 2017, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 14 2017, 05:36 PM)
AmAsia REIT seems to get more love here than MANULIFE ASIA-PACIFIC REIT.

Anyone want to elaborate on this ?
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Their position based on RRR keep switch place, can say both similar but amasia over manulife in REIT:

Manulife REIT invest half in singapore, higher concentration risk

AmAsia REIT is more diversified and across more countries

p/s: some other forummer admire amasia FM, could be the bias though :cough: xuzen :cough: laugh.gif

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post Feb 14 2017, 08:35 PM

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My portfolio before it burst (if any) sweat.gif laugh.gif

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Note: I only started with ponzi 2 on the first investment date due to RSP initial investment requirement sweat.gif

other funds coming up and also in and out for RSP on the next RSP date from the first investment date smile.gif

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post Feb 14 2017, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 14 2017, 08:40 PM)
Different sector. Hence asking you to pick both.
I am holding both just to experiment and see which one give me the returns. So far, Manulife is beating Amasia hands down.
How did you make it so colourful?
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 14 2017, 08:41 PM)
this. perfect example of sikit sikit akan menjadi bukit. doing good there little brother
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Change the highlight color in excel? laugh.gif

Each fund one color, easy to know which to update when new price comes in

Except black one are defunct funds where the 3 recent defunct will be put into tech fund temporarily on the next RSP along with other alive funds while waiting for fidelity sweat.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Feb 14 2017, 09:02 PM)
Roughly adds up to 80%? 20% uninvested/cmf? hmm.gif
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Recently sold of europe, aladdin and titan

europe intra switch into global tech for temporary parking (inside tech dy)

while aladdin and titan will put in together with this month dca amount together using referral token for temporary parking

reason for consolidating these : these 4 have high correlation with US market (specifically S&P 500), so temporary put into the highest performing among them (global tech) then only switch out from malaysia to sg tongue.gif

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post Feb 14 2017, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Feb 14 2017, 09:19 PM)
I started about the same time as you do. And I'm nine streets behind  bye.gif

Entrance 2 August 2016
ROI 4.27
IRR 11.73
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My kap chai first investment right before ulicorp share collapse cry.gif , if not profit will be higher sweat.gif

but my portfolio small size only, less than 10k within half year DCA, just started working, not enough money for capital appreciation sweat.gif
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post Feb 15 2017, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 15 2017, 02:53 PM)
Of course not. Thought about it then cancel as IMO,  it's not worth it. I am more of autopilot person. Doesn't want to moniter so much. 
Reasons:
(i) well to get ammo for my next SG trip in march
(ii) 12% profit is better than no profit right? Cut loss while it's still climbing biggrin.gif
I believed 10% is doable. (United asian HY bond fund a perfect eg) 15% if you got nerve of steels.
Agreed with Avengelice. If they stop the tax relief, will not buy anymore.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 15 2017, 03:08 PM)
What so special about this United Asian HY bond fund ? Around 20% return for previous year ?
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Guess instead of waiting SG platform for that fund, i will just transfer some from Esther bond to there tongue.gif

You can check the target fund in SG platform smile.gif
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post Feb 15 2017, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 15 2017, 03:13 PM)
It's a AP bond fund which give 10% returns per year. Not as volatite as RHB ATRF
Min starting amount is rm10k. You got the moo? hmm.gif?
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Esther bond is not part of my portfolio, rather, my FD reserve, so roughly enough to meet the minimum requirement when transfer tongue.gif

If convert also 3k SGD like that LA, not too big

Cos in poems, I will need to minimum top up 500 SGD to it, whereas if I put in Malaysia, RM 1k (roughly SGD 300) minimum top up only, also save TT charges and self Forex conversion laugh.gif
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post Feb 15 2017, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 15 2017, 04:04 PM)
For SG part United asian HY bond only need sgd1k. Way lower than here. biggrin.gif

Save TT charges and self forex = go there and deposit money?
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True for initial deposit, but if want top up, then need minimum SGD 500 vs here rm 1k only

Easy for me to do saving here

Go over there need transport cost plus time, for me ikan bilis, not worth all that effort tongue.gif
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QUOTE(skynode @ Feb 15 2017, 04:45 PM)
Another silly question. To be eligible for the PRS Youth thing. (Yes, I'm still young.) It's stated there gross contribution needs to be RM1000.
However, if we put in RM1000 for the first time, service charge and administration fees would be deducted from the gross sum giving a nett investment amount of less than RM1000. In such instance, do I need to top up to make the gross amount RM1000 so that I would be eligible for the incentive?

From the website, "minimum contribution amount must be a gross amount of RM1,000 which is inclusive of all fees and charges."  So I assume they shall overlook the account balance which is less than RM1K.
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as long as you cash out 1000 from ur pocket to there, whatever charges, it is still 1000 being counted smile.gif

I am young too laugh.gif
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post Feb 15 2017, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(skynode @ Feb 15 2017, 06:21 PM)
How to calculate the R/R ratio?
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From fund selector
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post Feb 16 2017, 08:28 PM

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so today is down for both kgf and kapchai sweat.gif

just drop the next day after my RSP sweat.gif

talk about timing sweat.gif
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post Feb 16 2017, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 16 2017, 08:32 PM)
Starting of the decline again?  hmm.gif
Which means Ponzi 1 will be affected..  doh.gif

Who asked you to do RSP?  tongue.gif Manually topup la.  biggrin.gif  rclxms.gif
You are free to choose when to topup.
Could be cause by this?
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...n-payment-fail/
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you wont know when to top up if you choose to time the market

so i will just take the rsp as an auto top up without any emotion in deciding when to top up

probably its coincident or this is the price I pay tongue.gif
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post Feb 17 2017, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Feb 17 2017, 10:51 AM)
Prudential, its pay first then claim back.

To be honest, i a bit regret buying insurance, the insurance fund performance is really bad. I selected 50% AP reit and 50% local equity. Let me tell you guys, i kinda expected it to be like amreits and kgf, but its so sucks, it cant even beat epf. 2016 is bad, ok, i cant blame them, but 2015 and 2014 is bad also, i dont know what to say.

Luckily, i select the one with lowest retirement saving, lowest death benefit. If i put everything on insurance, i  probably cry everyday when i retired.
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If you really want your ILP to perform, SunLife ILP have the choice for ponzi 1 ponzi 2 titan and aladdin laugh.gif

Otherwise, if you know how to invest, term life insurance with protection as priority is probably better for you smile.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 17 2017, 06:07 PM)
hmmm... interesting. never seen someone doing all bonds. I would suggest you either back Libra asnita over kaf reasoning risk to return ratio.

also 30% to esther bond
30% rhb emerging market bond
20% to Anita bond
20% to rhb islamic
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I would suggest the following if you have > myr 10k for each fund:

25% esther bond
25% rhb emerging market bond
25% anita
25% united asian high yield bond

otherwise the above is fine smile.gif

QUOTE(mattalex @ Feb 17 2017, 06:36 PM)
Thanks for the feedback. Mind to elaborate on the risk to return ratio? According to FSM site, Anita has slightly higher 3 yr risk-return ratio compared to KAF.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 17 2017, 06:42 PM)
oh really? pardon my mistake then as i always thought Anita would be a better performer....unless....

head to fsm. look for the fund selector tool and select all bonds you are interested in. it will give you a snapshot of their possible performance
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QUOTE(mattalex @ Feb 17 2017, 07:09 PM)
Thanks again.
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ERM wrong wrong wrong bruce.gif (dont mislead sweat.gif)

RIsk return ratio is the amount of return per risk

Higher risk return ratio means that given the same risk, anita give higher return compared to KAF bond

Or for the same amount of return, anita is less volatile than KAF bond

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Feb 17 2017, 09:19 PM)
dont seem to be able to search for united asian high yield bond from fsm, is it listed under other platform?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 17 2017, 09:25 PM)
In FSM MY, the history is only roughly one year, to understand more about this fund, refer to their target fund here:

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/#!...Y-Bond-Dist-SGD
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post Feb 17 2017, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Feb 17 2017, 10:22 PM)
so this fund is open to all fsm subscribers?
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you can bypass the declaration provided u have rm10k as initial investment

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post Feb 18 2017, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 18 2017, 05:49 PM)
after looking back...yes..i think it is
but with more choices
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and i saw this too...altenative investment
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It is always fhere for both

Just that CMF is treated as a saving account in FSM due to the fact that u cannpaybur investmwnt via this fund

That is what other money karket fund can't do

Alrernative investment is also always there, but some of then are wholesale fund, or the performance doesn't quite on par with normal fund, or their history isn't long enough to be put into considerstion

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