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post Jan 20 2019, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jan 20 2019, 11:32 AM)
but for many.....for the duration of Feb 2018 till Oct 2018.....the frequent top up on each dips during that periods lead them disheartened emotionally......seeing each top ups turning into losses in each passing days....

when the invested sum is BIG and with each top up...eventually it will be very difficult to effectively average out the cost......
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that is very true....
if invested 50K and the fund dropped 10%....you need another 50K added to average out 5%

then you will have 100k invested......and if the fund dropped by another 10% (happened in 2018)...you will need another 100k to average out just 5%......

by if just for generic term average out...then any amount also ok...but is it effective or have major impact to that fund? or just for the emotional shiok of "I did average out during the last dips"
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post Jan 20 2019, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(kenny79 @ Jan 20 2019, 04:05 PM)
Depand how many did u hold the fund top up to average not to mean to double the fund....how many time u may double up the fund in case of 2018... Just top up when your average of fund is higher then the nav currently
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hmm.gif "Just top up when your average of fund is higher then the nav currently"....

if i have RM50k invested and the purchase price of 0.10 nav, thus i have 500,000 units

thus my average price is RM0.10 nav

if that nav of RM 0.10 dropped by 10%, then the current nav is 0.09, how much RM should i buy to average down to have impact (50% as per earlier post)?

is it double the fund size in amount RM50k to RM100k?





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post Jan 20 2019, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(kenny79 @ Jan 20 2019, 04:41 PM)
If u have the money on hand and willing to top up it really up to you.even u may buy more then 100% also to loower your nav.as my calculations if the total fund of average is rm0.53 and now the nav is 0.46 it's time to up up... But how many % to top up back is really depand on individual ability to top up and hold.,.
Other case story of interpqc dana Safi .. drop 30% more on 2018 I do think plenty of holder is start to goyang already since too much of dip already as the early have a former reply..... Lastly is the power of purchase mean top up plus a power of hold include your heart can hold how any time of thearket fip
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then,
T231H post about.... "when the invested sum is BIG and with each top up...eventually it will be very difficult to effectively average out the cost......"
and my earlier post ....."but if just for generic term average out...then any amount also ok...but is it effective or have major impact to that fund? or just for the emotional shiok of "I did average out during the last dips"....
is logical then

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post Jan 25 2019, 08:25 PM

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those that does not expects much for their invested monies......every year is ALSO a FI year.
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post Jan 26 2019, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Jan 26 2019, 09:40 AM)
FSM wants us to buy China equities. Good idea or not?
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China has a place in a portfolio....
If existing asia pac is already allocated enough in a port...then can just ignore or just add a few % into a china only fund for some "kick"
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post Jan 28 2019, 10:02 AM

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when the giants falls....most will falls with it...
one can run but cannot hide.
thus get out of EQ investing if one deemed the mkts will cotinue to falls.

Top Markets 2018: A Tough Year for Markets
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsmone/art...ear-for-Markets

2018: None Spared in Merciless Market
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post Jan 28 2019, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(AvenueX @ Jan 28 2019, 11:11 AM)
So.. shall we pull out? Ady make some losses.
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"We?"....
Depends on many variables.....
One of the more importants......how do one sees the sentiments trends to be after the 2018 mkts trends....the amount of money invested in relation to one net worth, ...the need to use the money in the next few months, etc
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post Jan 28 2019, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(AvenueX @ Jan 28 2019, 11:36 AM)
The wife and I..

Too much uncertainty, tempted to just withdraw from China & Asia Ex Japan and put into bond fund.. Can still stomach the current level of loss..
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post Jan 31 2019, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Jan 31 2019, 09:32 PM)
fed continuously raise their rate since 2016.. from 0.2 to 2.4
if not mistaken, 2015/2016 one of my fd manage to get 4.5%@12month/nonVIP but js tat one time.. now mostly 4.3/4.4 @12m/nonVIP

was hopping msia will at least follow half.. but.....  biggrin.gif
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hmm.gif try to think on behalf of those that are on housing loan or other non fixed loan rate...... sad.gif
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post Jan 31 2019, 11:42 PM

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noise or I told you so
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just saw this on youtube...

Economic Collapse Is Confirmed! $66 Trillion Dollar Dark Cloud Of Debt - 2019 Stock Market CRASH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWxocI4_ztc

more here...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer...6+trillion+debt

now where should I put my money while waiting for these to come?
when I came, how safe will my money, family and work be?
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post Feb 1 2019, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 1 2019, 01:47 PM)
just a note:
AmDynamic Bond has
Redemption fee: 1.00% of the NAV per unit. (Borne by Investor)
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsmone/fun.../AmDynamic-Bond

hmm.gif if you have a pool invested and still have another pool in CMF waiting for the crash.....
if the crash came tomorrow, (lets say dived 30%), you will use that pool of money in CMF to buy in  thumbup.gif
confused.gif then what happened to that pool of money that you had currently invested in the equities?
will this pool of money lost about 30% too? doh.gif
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that is if the pools ratio is 1:1.
what if the pools ratio is 3:1

capital is 9000+3000=12000
9000 in EQ:3000 in CMF
if dropped 30%, the 9000 would become 6300

buy in 3000,

if the bulls gained 30%
3000 will become 3900
the 6300 will become 8190

3900+8190=12090

that is a gain of 12090-12000=90
that is 0.75% additional gain, worth the wait?
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post Feb 1 2019, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Feb 1 2019, 01:25 PM)
I parked some monies in the RHB cash management fund waiting for the crash that never come. It has been 2 years...
Any better place to park while I wait ? Does it even make sense to park in bonds (AmDynamic) ?
I am timing the market using this pool as as I have another section of monies invested in equities.
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QUOTE(basSist @ Feb 1 2019, 02:33 PM)
If all 12000 in equity and if crash 30% and raise 30%:

12000x0.7x1.3 = 10920

If no crash?

12000x1.3= 15600

is it too many IFs? The cash pool is for allocation purpose. That is risk management. It's not about worth.
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he mentioned that, he is timing the market using that pool....thus that pool is right for allocation purposes but I think it is not so much about risk management, but trying to hit it big with that pool of money when the time comes.

yes, too many ifs.....GregPG01, what is the ratio in CMF (Bullets in waiting) and Equities? can share?
if don't share also ok...you can use the calculation above to determine if your plan/strategy is worth it or not....


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post Feb 3 2019, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Feb 3 2019, 09:22 PM)
The FSM website keeps defaulting to the Update Account Information after you login, and you can't do anything else?

Anyone else got the same problem?
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yes, mine too.
I seems that we need to update our a/c with them annually...

I just click ok...then all ok already...(till next year again) sad.gif
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post Feb 8 2019, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Feb 8 2019, 06:54 PM)
meh, probably it wont ok.. and even if by the time its ok or not ok, most ppl/investor already used to the ''fearing'' factor
and as long as trump still the us president, it wont be good/up trending market imo
he will stir up something new to upset the market

somehow, i do think these are ''dramas''
for their, be it china or us or their allies to make market all time low, sell it high
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hmm.gif but but hor...
immediately after his election in Nov 2016...the market had trended upwards for > 13 months wor....
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post Feb 8 2019, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Feb 8 2019, 08:28 PM)
what can i say, he's the self-proclaimed angel, while part timing for demon  biggrin.gif
plus, like i said, its ''drama''
maybe their holdings sold off jz right before trade wars
and now there are ''drama-ing'' to re-enter

who knows, i mean who benefits the most from all the chaos..  icon_idea.gif
not tat i hate nor like it, i still dca-ing and preparing bullet  tongue.gif
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post Feb 16 2019, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 11 2019, 05:54 PM)
Jan 2019 portfolio:

MoM ROI: 1.9% to 6.9%
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mine too and hope everyone is the same too.

btw, I got back 50% of what I lost in the whole of 2018....hope these good times will continue just like 2017......

until 1 March sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Feb 16 2019, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Feb 16 2019, 06:07 PM)
1 March is the trade war 'review' date? Sell before that date lol. If positive outcome buy back haha
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what if the market shot up before I can buy back?
I may missed that "BIG" % up swing wor. devil.gif
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QUOTE(captivesim @ Feb 25 2019, 07:36 AM)
Hi all, i am newbie. some questions, sila tunjuk ajar

1. retirement goal. monthly invest rm 2000, long term is it confirm untung in 20 years? i understand its a cycle strategy is to invest in 10 different fund, so rm 200 each fund.
YES, sure UNTUNG in 20 years....depends on what you had invested in...example....money placed in fixed deposit will also make UNTUNG of abt 3%pa too.....
but If you invest in Unit trust, especially in equities...there is no guarantee

2. is public mutual fund better? or different is commision, need to pay agent. fundsupermart can self do
Depends on what you had bought too,....some fund houses are not performing better than Public mutual...but YES, Public mutual funds sales charges is much higher than sales charges incurred by FSM.

3. can i just simply choose like best performers past 6 to 12 months and blindly invest.
YES you can simply choose any funds you like,...but will their performance continued for the next few months?

Say 'No!' to Rear View Mirror Investing:
"If past history was all that is needed to play the game of money, the richest people would be librarians."
--- Warren Buffett

4. normally in general how long people invest? 10 , 20 years as it compounded right?
Depends too, like last year, many investors bailed out too after having shocked are realised that they had to realign their investment beliefs and expectations

5. I am looking a safer and more guarantee investment for retirement in 25 years time, what else is more secure type, not interest in land, property, gold or bitcoin.
if you wanted secure and uninterupt positive returns year after year for 25 years ....try bank fixed deposits......
and if your money invested are not to be touched for 25 years, and the yearly investment to be made is less than RM60k......many would suggest self contribute into EPF.

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 25 2019, 02:26 PM)
US to delay China tariff increase after 'progress' in trade talks
25 Feb 2019

"I am pleased to report that the U.S. has made substantial progress in our trade talks with China on important structural issues including intellectual property protection, technology transfer, agriculture, services, currency, and many other issues," Trump wrote on Twitter.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/1634...-talks#cxrecs_s

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sweat.gif sweat.gif NOt so soon...
from same Bangkok post....

The coming China shock 25 Feb 2019

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/news/1...-shock#cxrecs_s

honestly...I don't really understand what the author said.... doh.gif
maybe it is a good thing for me....I hoped. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Feb 25 2019, 04:14 PM)
heheh i sai-abit-lang last year when Shanghai Index was like -25%+/- yoy, buy low & sell high/sorok. didnt manage to get more when it was like -30%ish lowest tongue.gif

i dunno about buy high and hope higher though  blush.gif

i think the oldhands keep seeing the same cycle of "oh gawd.. it's down.. sell sell / stop DCA" & "oh good.. it's going up - buy buy / start DCA"  laugh.gif
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thumbsup.gif when it hit a preplanned/preconceived buy target...just buy thumbup.gif

those that are not having any preplanned target value...but....just the word 'lower' price buy target but are forced to buy because of the tax reduction thing (PRS funds),...
....would be laughing for they would have bought it in 3rd week of Dec 2018.....
they would be very happy now....
if not for this forced to buy thing...I think they are still waiting for the right time......(lower Navs)

to some,...they will buy when the market is showing confident.....like now....

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