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FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D
FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D
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Jan 23 2021, 11:56 PM
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Jan 24 2021, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Jan 24 2021, 10:38 AM) https://www.fool.com/amp/investing/2021/01/...signal-is-back/ will changing of index constituents and weightings in between then and now affected those past results? When looking back, there have only been five times in history where the S&P 500 has maintained a move above a P/E of 30: 1929: After the Black Tuesday crash, the iconic Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJINDICES:^DJI) went on to lose approximately 89% of its value. 1997-2000: Before the dot-com bubble burst, the Shiller P/E ratio for the S&P 500 hit an all-time high of 44.2. Nearly half the value of the S&P 500 was wiped away after the dot-com bubble burst, with the Nasdaq Composite (NASDAQINDEX:^IXIC) hit even harder. Q3 2018: Throughout much of the third quarter of 2018, the Shiller P/E ratio sat above 30. This was followed by a fourth quarter swoon that saw the S&P 500 lose as much as 19.8%. Q4 2019/Q1 2020: Prior to the coronavirus crash in the first quarter of 2020, the Shiller P/E ratio had, again, crossed above 30. The S&P 500 lost 34% in 33 calendar days during the COVID-19 chaos of February and March. Q3 2020-Current: To be determined the index constituents and weightings did change right? |
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Jan 24 2021, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Jan 24 2021, 10:56 AM) Yes it has minor changes along the way ,removal of company due to not meeting market cap criteria or another company.exceeded the market cap . The one worth mentioning is Tesla which happens in Q4 which thankfully only constitute less than 2% of the index. As long as addition or removal of a company only constitue a small amount relatively (percentage wise). I dont see how it can have a great influence is there a limitation of using PE ratio in reference to the article in your above post?Same thing cannot be said about KLCI prior to 2008 crash as it was with 100 component but now only 30 and of course a few changes along the way in that 30 component except for the heavyweight financial, utilities and communication. how long has this PE value status quo stayed since it reached that 30 level till now? |
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Jan 24 2021, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(backspace66 @ Jan 24 2021, 11:29 AM) In all the timeframe given with P/E greater than 30, none of them coincide with the period of low interest environment. It is all there. ok, note,I have no comment on the tech part as we all know the dotcom buble. Going up based on future expecation and what if they dont deliver or turn a profit. Of course this does not apply to all tech company but i am basically referencing the one that went up multiple times some not even profitable yet. then PE has limitations and it does not applicable to all cases (mkts) too. WhitE LighteR liked this post
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Jan 24 2021, 06:06 PM
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Money just does not fall from heaven
Chartchai Parasuk CHARTCHAI PARASUK FREELANCE ECONOMIST PUBLISHED : 21 JAN 2021 It is a pitiful dilemma, isn't it? When the economy is in a bad shape, you want the government to spend money (more money, and lots of money) to help shore up the economy. Like we are seeing in our country now. Alas, by spending money (more money, and lots of money), the government itself induces another kind of economic crisis -- a liquidity crisis. Let me tell you this. The famous economic crisis of 1997, also known as Tom Yum Kung crisis, was triggered by a liquidity crisis. It was not triggered by currency speculators like George Soros as many wanted to believe. https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion...all-from-heaven interesting read....just if someone could just alter the data to cater for the local scenario...would be good to read too. |
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Jan 24 2021, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(ganesh1696 @ Jan 24 2021, 05:00 PM) Hi guys, as mentioned in an earlier post....your 75% is consisted of MY EQ 26% and balance is MY FI My allocation based in MALAYSIA is nearly 75%. If there's a complete lockdown like how was implemented back in March 2020, hope there's a major pullback/downfall in unit trust prices. Thinking of withdrawing all MALAYSIA based UT this week and buy back after MCO implemented OR hold and top up once there's a major drawback in prices. I didn't make use of last MCO as I worried my funds are all about crash to worse, but in weeks prices of almost all UT rebound to normal level. HOLDINGS. 1) Affin Hwang World Series - Global Disruptive Innovation Fund MYR Hedged = 12.5% 2)United malaysia fund=19.25% 3)amdynamic bond=16.635% 4)amanahraya syariah trust fund=14.45% 5)am china a shares myr-hedged=12.5% 6)principal islamic lifetime enhanced sukuk fund=16.41% 7)interpac dana safi =7.5% What's your thoughts guys? Thank you. both are different asset class....should move differently.... |
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Jan 25 2021, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(Fledgeling @ Jan 25 2021, 11:05 AM) Good morning everyone! The comments here have been very useful and I've been thinking carefully about what to buy for this 1 week "shopping spree" with 0% sales charge. what are the funds do you have in your UT portfolio? what are the % of each of them?Here's what I have in my cart: Principal ASEAN Dynamic Fund https://www.fsmone.com.my/admin/buy/factshe...etMYCIMB017.pdf Reason: I do not have much exposure to ASEAN currently. This is more diversified that the NIKKO Am Singapore Dividend Fund I had my eye on earlier (I got good feedback from this forum that there could be low growth potential for Singapore alone given the market size and also past historical NAV). Principal China-India-Indonesia Opportunities Fund https://www.fsmone.com.my/admin/buy/factshe...etMYCIMB016.pdf I feel that China still has good potential but I'm balancing it with other markets. I already have about 10% exposure to Greater China currently and 23% to Asia ex Japan FSM Managed Portfolio split equally into Aggressive Moderately Aggressive Any feedback/input before I check out by Friday? I still have some time to think through. Much appreciated. P/S: sharing a commentary on Asian markets that just opened today: https://www.rttnews.com/list/asian-commentary.aspx as you mentioned you wanted ASEAN,...then why not Asia pac?...but to know why...thus need to know if you have Asia Pac in your port already and how big allocation into it? it would be a useful tool/info (for me and may not for others), to try use an excel sheet to compile the countries and % allocated for each of the countries.....data can be obtained from each of the Fund Factsheet....then try to compile the total allocated in each of the country/region in relation to all the funds in your portfolio. then evaluate which you think is lacking/over allocated to adjust if ncessary. you can also do it in sectorial basis if you want too. This post has been edited by yklooi: Jan 25 2021, 11:27 AM |
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Jan 25 2021, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE(Fledgeling @ Jan 25 2021, 11:29 AM) Currently, I already have 23% in Asia ex Japan as mentioned above =) you have combined Asia Pac + ASia = abt 38% already (excluding the % from your Global fund)....ASEAN is also in that coverage...you want to add ASEAN to increase that coverage?Exact portfolio breakdown: Global: 31% Asia ex Japan: 23% Asia: 15% Malaysia: 14% (mostly bonds as I have low confidence in KLCI) China: 10% Japan 2% US: 3% Others 2% I know that US looks too low but I am of the opinion that Dow Jones is overheated and will pass for now (take a wait and see approach). https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-mar...oom-11611411473 Thanks for your feedback. if US looks too low but your opinion is that Dow Jones is overheated and will pass for now (take a wait and see approach)....then what is NOT overheated or still cold? ....then concentrate your attack would be more effective. just a note: there are still some exceptional ROI funds in 2020 that focused in KLCI too. (read my earlier post...i added some info) This post has been edited by yklooi: Jan 25 2021, 11:43 AM |
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Jan 25 2021, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(Fledgeling @ Jan 25 2021, 11:51 AM) you need to take the % allocated in the country as in the factsheet Multiply with the % allocated in the port...example....if you have 1 Asia pac fund at 10% allocated this fund has 20% in China.... your port for China is 2% in China |
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Jan 27 2021, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE(walnut6363 @ Jan 27 2021, 10:32 PM) On that matter... All 3 us mkts index dropped 1.5 to 2% now...plus 0% sc promotion. walnut6363 liked this post
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Jan 28 2021, 04:19 PM
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Jan 28 2021, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(Gatsby IT @ Jan 28 2021, 04:21 PM) so in short lets say tomorrow friday im buying AmChina A Shares fund , that fund have only one pricing across the full day before 3pm and not moving ? will only have 1 priced NAV value for any particular day. btw any fees that i need to be aware of if i choose to cash out on the fund lets say after 1-3 years , thanks and sorry for the beginner question . some funds has redemption fees on whenever one exit, some funds has redemption fees for investment of less than X period....read the prospectus or fund factsheet for details..(that some = very very few) |
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Jan 28 2021, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(Gatsby IT @ Jan 28 2021, 04:37 PM) https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/tools/facts...rc=fund-details one is in %, the other is in RATIO....Anyone have idea why this fund claiming 1.8% annual management fees yet the annual expense ratio is only 0.21% ? this means the fund charges all the fees at only 0.21% annually instead of 1.8+% ? |
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Jan 28 2021, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(Gatsby IT @ Jan 28 2021, 04:46 PM) Actually i read a few factsheet from FSMone and all of them expense ratio is management fees+other fees lets say normally management fees 1.5% then expense ratio normally something like 1.58% , just this fund lower makes ma wonder do they charge lower management fees , since claimed 1.8% is maximum and not fixed . of those factsheet that you read and compared...what is the fund size of the fund with the highest Expense Ratio? what is the fund size of the fund with the lowest Expense Ratio? fund size and the holdings turn over rate do have implications on the expense ratio too This post has been edited by yklooi: Jan 28 2021, 05:03 PM |
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Jan 28 2021, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE(Gatsby IT @ Jan 28 2021, 05:03 PM) I am actually abit confuse by now , ill just take it as having 1.8% management fees then , is it high ? also factsheet stated 0% sales charge but when trying to do FPS showing 1.5% sales charge .... confused and didnt proceed . as "I" only obsessed with the returns,....little was concerned about the expense ratio....for end of the day,....if the expense ratio or the mgmt fees were to be lowest/cheapest, i will not want it if the returns is not as comparable with its peers..are you looking for returns too? or cost saving is your priority? on this "also factsheet stated 0% sales charge but when trying to do FPS showing 1.5% sales charge .... confused and didnt proceed ."...what fund is that? check with FSM?...maybe some system error? This post has been edited by yklooi: Jan 28 2021, 05:08 PM WhitE LighteR liked this post
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Jan 28 2021, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(Gatsby IT @ Jan 28 2021, 05:12 PM) Lets say if the market having further correction / crashes during next wednesday , it will only reflect on next thursday here hence we kinda can predict how the market go ?? can roughly predict only....need to see if the fund is mandated to invest only in stocks that are related to the stock market index or not. also there is the Forex rate in play too (if holdings involves overseas mkts) |
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Jan 28 2021, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(Gatsby IT @ Jan 28 2021, 05:20 PM) hmm understand but as a general of thumb lets say last night US market crashes right , then today US market crashes again , so i can hold off my purchase during friday and postpone to next monday right (if not Public holiday of course) . since no point buying here before our time Friday 3pm cut off time when US market just crashes again during our time thursday night . i think this is the scenario that you will get....Thusday morning US drop , Thursday day (today) ....Wednesday NAV published, you no buy (tonite) Friday morning US dropped again, Friday day (tomorrow) .... Thursday NAV published, you no buy Monday day .....you buy in (Price unknown) then later Friday NAV published Tuesday morning US RALLIED,.....Tuesday day, .....you |
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Jan 28 2021, 09:04 PM
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Jan 28 2021, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE(ganesh1696 @ Jan 28 2021, 07:50 PM) Just topped my my holdings when 0% SC . looks like part of Sui Jau's blog posting (in blue) applies....1) RHB SHARIAH CHINA FOCUS FUND = 2 x initial inv. 2) AM CHINA A SHARES MYR HEDGED=1.5x initial inv. 3)AFFIN HWANG GLOBAL DISRUPTIVE = 3x initial inv. *initial inv =initial investment Bought new fund. 1) PRINCIPAL GREATER CHINA EQUITY FUND. I could save few hundred bucks by this 0% SC PROMO. But current market situation in US & CHINA make me worry. due to my wrong timing investing in it? Did I make a good move or I should have wait a little longer before putting in some $? Share your thoughts guys. Suggestions most welcome. "The most important advice I would give to anyone who hasn't started (be it man or woman) and is being held back is to starting investing now, but use a small amount. Something you are comfortable with even if you suffer losses. It can be as little as one thousand dollars because that is usually all you need to start investing into a unit trust. Then, as you invest, you will see how markets and such affect your returns and you will be able to learn from your experiences without suffering too much heartache compared to if you placed your entire life savings into the market and lose half of it in a market crash. The key thing is you have to accumulate investing experience. No amount of prior reading up and accumulating of knowledge can compare with actual investing experience which can only be built up by using your own money to invest. You have to experience the emotional pull that comes from market ups and downs and learn how to handle your emotions during those times. And learning from mistakes made is the greatest teacher." |
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Jan 28 2021, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(Gatsby IT @ Jan 28 2021, 09:26 PM) If one has to choose between this two fund anyone have some insight which they will go for ? when it comes to "unknown" of the future due to Past performance is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance of the fund......Principal Greater - EPF approved so no SC or max cap 0.5% , more stable 5years return , lower continuous investment amount . AmChina - Higher 1.5% sales charge , higher 10year annual return but higher volatile especially 2016 and 2018 (all the good return data contributed to very high 2019,2020 gain) . Bonus : rare to see Malaysia unit trust fund with Sharpe ratio of 1.15 (over 1.0) , most other famous and performing fund are all under 1.0 (Greater is better). https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/tools/facts...c=global-search https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/tools/facts...c=global-search some people would use these metrics as part of the "betting" process Attached thumbnail(s) |
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