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post Apr 29 2019, 08:19 AM

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Hi guys, recently built a rig with AMD Ryzen 5 2600 and using stock cooler..noticed that the temp for idling is around 45-50'c..is it normal? And when i load some games like GTA5, NFS Payback, Dota 2, and etc, the CPU temp can go as high as 85'C and GPU temp can go up to 90'C in few minutes..mostly i play games also less than 30mins..

Below is my rig spec:-
AMD Ryzen 5 2600
Asus B450M-Plus TUF Gaming
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000Mhz 8GBx2
Thermaltake Versa H17
Thermaltake Smart BX1 RGB 80Plus Bronze 650W
PowerColor Red Devil RX 580 8GB
Samsung 860EVO 250GB

If i would like to upgrade the CPU cooler, will CRYORIG H7 better than stock cooler?

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post Apr 29 2019, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Apr 29 2019, 10:45 AM)
Maybe the cooler/cpu not properly seated? Mine usually max around 75c though mostly hovering around 72c. I've not played the games you listed but Total Wars are pretty CPU intensive games.


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U got a very nice temp there for both CPU and GPU..
Back to your question, if the cpu/cooler seated not properly, i guess my PC will having hard time to boot up or even running.. biggrin.gif
Is either air ventilation not good or the setting issue..

Do you mind to share your CPU cooler fan rpm for reference when you playing game?
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post Apr 29 2019, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Apr 29 2019, 11:33 AM)
You can boot even when not installing fan 😁 but probably temp will straight go to 100c.

I mean maybe one of the screw no tighten properly. Did you use the thermal paste that comes with the cooler or after market one?

Air ventilation may also caused high temp. Before I use ryzen, my i5 was running pretty hot until I added 2 fans on the top of the case.
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Using the stock thermal paste..

QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Apr 29 2019, 11:35 AM)
Can you try open side panel? That case look like it doesn't have any airflow.
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If open the side panel, temperature go down..mean the casing not good for high performance usage right?

What is the normal idling temperature for Ryzen 5 2600? hmm.gif
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post Apr 29 2019, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Apr 29 2019, 12:08 PM)
It does, but maybe he doesn't install any
There are lots of fan mounting options in the case

Front: 3x120MM or 2x140MM (not supplied)
Rear: 1x120MM (supplied)
Top: 1x120MM or 1x140MM (not supplied)

Lineage referring to the above, install some fans for the intake
Install either 3x120MM or 2x140MM in the front
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I got install 2 additional 12CM fan..1 at top..1 at front..gpu and ssd temp got reduce when idling..but not CPU..

Now the setup for fan is..front is intake..top and rear is exhaust..
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post Apr 29 2019, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Apr 29 2019, 12:42 PM)
Try to reinstall the cpu fan with after market termal paste.
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Will try the easier way first..remove side panel..see if the temp go down..

QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Apr 29 2019, 12:45 PM)
Install more fan if temp go down significantly when you open side panel.
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Noted. Will test it out..

QUOTE(sHawTY @ Apr 29 2019, 01:23 PM)
Install another 120MM for the intake
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Put at front right? hmm.gif
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post Apr 29 2019, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Apr 29 2019, 02:15 PM)
Yes
Also since you are not going to overclock, buy the cheapest 3rd party heatsink out there, such as Cooler Master Hyper 212
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Cooler Master Hyper 212 <--- this kind of RM100+ cpu cooler, will it be better than stock Ryzen 5 2600 cooler?
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post Apr 29 2019, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Apr 29 2019, 02:30 PM)
Definitely
Also, manada 100+. Less than RM100 in Shopee laugh.gif

Link - https://shopee.com.my/Cooler-Master-Hyper-2...87129.823445085
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Ok. Thanks. Thought Ryzen dont need aftermarket CPU cooler doh.gif


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post Apr 29 2019, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Apr 29 2019, 11:35 AM)
Can you try open side panel? That case look like it doesn't have any airflow.
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Apr 29 2019, 12:45 PM)
Install more fan if temp go down significantly when you open side panel.
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After remove the side panel, the temp significant lower..

I was playing NFS Payback for a while..the temp for CPU n GPU go up until 80'c +- then i go and remove the side panel..both drop to 68-70'c like that..
If i add another 12CM fan at front for intake, will it improve? or what should i do to achieve similar temp with side panel remove? hmm.gif

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post Apr 30 2019, 06:01 AM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 30 2019, 02:44 AM)
One single fan can hardly improve.
, you need at least 6 fans to improve ventilation.
The case i bought always has side panel fans, and top panel fans, 3 front intake is a must.
Even with stock cooler my 65w Ryzen only idle at ~37c, 40 to 50 on load.

With my Fractal design R6, my cpu idle at 32c (360 aio), Vega 64 idle at 36c only.

Also make sure the CPU Vcore is not set too auto, some board will increase vcore without good reason, like my B350 Mortar arctic,
The increased vcore will increase heat output as well.
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Currently i got 3 fans..1 for intake and 2 for exhaust..

Guess that adding another fan for intake wont make a lot diff..
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post Apr 30 2019, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 30 2019, 07:53 AM)
What is your case?
because intake usually is filtered, meaning weaker air flow, that is why intake need at least 3.
one single fan can improve only if it's high airflow fan, Aka the infamous Delta, usually known with at least 260 cfm lol

or just upgrade your casing
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Thermaltake Versa H17

I got 3 Delta high flow fans..extremely noisy..4000 or 4500rpm..not ideal for home use.. rclxub.gif
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post Apr 30 2019, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Apr 30 2019, 12:24 PM)
If I were you I will try the cheap way first, either add 2 more 120mm front fan, or swap them for 2x140mm.
If that fails, then I will consider AIO or changing the case for another with better optimized for running stock/aftermarket air CPU cooler.

You CPU is definitely recycling those hot air from itself and the GPU. I think the additional fans intake on the front pay will help, but do note that it will not be as good as open case.
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Thanks for your recommendation..i was thinking to buy 2 more 140mm fans put at front..and top/rear put 120mm..see how is perform..
Another problem is..what type of fan is good to put at front for intake? high air flow or static pressure? doh.gif

So now the problem is the casing internal air flow, even i use better CPU cooler like Noctua NH-D9L..it still will recycling those hot air inside the casing right? hmm.gif

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post Apr 30 2019, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Apr 30 2019, 12:48 PM)
I will take the high SP ones because I can reuse them as fan for radiator in the future, that's just me. It's perfectly fine to take the AF one.
I agree 2x 140mm because even though 3x120mm moves more air, the 3rd bottom fan only cools the self contained compartment below.
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Yes, the third 1 only blow into the bottom compartment which is HDD, i dont use HDD..so no point..

Any recommendation for AF type fan? brows.gif
Budget is below Rm100/fan..

Since i got the budget around Rm200 for the fan, if i topup a little to get Corsair H60 AIO water cooler, will it be more useful? worry that after change, it doesnt help much as the hot air still trap inside the casing.. unsure.gif
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post Apr 30 2019, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Apr 30 2019, 05:42 PM)
If me, i will go with the cheapest option... remove the side panel permanently. tongue.gif
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This a very good effective and 0 cost solution.. rclxms.gif
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post Apr 30 2019, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 30 2019, 06:00 PM)
3 months later back with square one, because heatsink is full of dust lol tongue.gif
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Yalor..open side panel another downside is dust enter even faster..thats why how i also need to settle the internal air ventilation..
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post Apr 30 2019, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 30 2019, 06:21 PM)
Delta fans with PWM can be tamed with pwm + 45 watt fan controller, but if your delta is 3 pins type, can only be used as emergency cooling lol (activate when temp reach critical.)

you can add 2 140mm fans but with at least 2000 rpm, larger fan has lower pitch noise than 120/92mm counterpart, but with lower static pressure.
top fan can be switch to intake, at least the cpu has fresh air. and rear exhaust remain same, but remember, hot air rise.
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Alright..can you recommend me some fans with 2000rpm and above? so these 2 units 2000rpm 140mm fans put at front as intake right?
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post May 1 2019, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 30 2019, 06:55 PM)
Thanks for the recommendation..

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 30 2019, 10:24 PM)
Most people be like, i got R6 2600 and some thousand dollar GPU but using cheap casing,  later will complaint pc running too hot. sweat.gif
Case cooling performance are most often ignored when people buying new casing.

Open air casing depends on environment, my area definitely cannot due to sticky yellow dust, it does not work with everyone.

Also buying the Noctua definitely is an investment, the fans has 6 years warranty and very long life, Thought Im only like noctua lol,
also i'm not aware of any other brands that make 140mm fan with 2000 RPM.
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Yes, that is the part I missed out when i build this rig..I should get better casing..

QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 30 2019, 10:33 PM)
You do not need to worry about the CPU temperature.

Ryzen runs at low temperature with pathetic OC headroom.

So,
1) You do not need Noctua. Just mid-end HSF will do. You don't get much OC headroom anyway. The reason is the CPU itself.
2) You do not need to buy expensive casing. Cheaplug casing with 2 x 120MM casing fans + PSU fan is more than enough.
3) Spend the money on high quality motherboard. I would say most of low-mid end mobos have shitty and overheat VRM. High quality mobo gives you stability and very slight better OC headroom (again, the limitation is the CPU itself).
4) Spend the money on high end ram modules. You get more performance penalty if you use low end ram modules. Get high end ram modules for performance.
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If i upgrade better HSF, it cool down the CPU even more, but the heat still trap inside the casing..the HSF wont run at its peak..
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post May 1 2019, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 1 2019, 09:58 AM)
You have decent ventilation with 2*120mm fans.
It is an overstatement claiming the heat traps in your casing with 2*120mm fans installed.

You don't need to cool down CPU more, not for Ryzen.
As I said, 2 reasons,
1) Ryzen is not a hot chip. It doesn't generate much heat. What's there to cool?
2) Ryzen has extremely poor OC headroom. Having premium HSF doesn't give much OC headroom. The limitation is the Ryzen chip as it just doesn't give you much overclockability.

Spend your money on high quality ram modules if you do not want 10-20% performance hit.
Spend your money on high quality motherboard if you overclock. VRM and system stability remains a problem with cheap AMD motherboards.
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I got 3 fans installed as i said in previous post..1 for intake..2 for exhaust..

When idling, my CPU is running at 50'c..i believe its quite high..and when I play game, it can easy increase to 80'c++..Do u think this is normal temp?

I'm already using Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000Mhz 8GBx2..I think its good enough for me..
For motherboard, i'm using Asus B450M-Plus TUF Gaming..not high end, but i think good enough for my usage..
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post May 1 2019, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 1 2019, 10:12 AM)
Sorry, I don't read all the posts.

Stock HSF? Overclocked? At what speed?

Assuming it is overclocked at 4.1GHz, leave it as it is if you don't encounter any stability issue.
Changing HSF doesn't give you much OC headroom.
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CPU running stock speed..no OC..stock cooler.. wink.gif
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post May 1 2019, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 1 2019, 10:22 AM)
Problem is the stock cooler.
Not the ventilation of casing.

Get a mid-end HSF.
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Oh..ok..any recommendation for mid-end HSF?
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post May 1 2019, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ May 1 2019, 11:24 AM)
I will test it (Ryzen 5 2600) later today and let you know if I encounter the same. smile.gif

What casing are you using again?
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Thermaltake Versa H17

QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ May 1 2019, 01:50 PM)
Nowadays it's all about aesthetics, many casings have garbage ventilation/airflow to feature glass/acrylic side panel while having poor front intake even on some high end case.

That guy definitely have airflow problem because he mentioned temperature dropped significantly when he opened the side panel.

Ryzen stock cooler is great, much better than shitty Intel one. Suggesting him to buy a  new HFS is pretty pointless imo.
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Yes, install aftermarket HFS dont think will help as the hot air still trap in casing..

QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 1 2019, 01:56 PM)
I saw your post that 10c  temperature difference with side case panel opened.

Did you even install fans in casing?
How many 120mm fans you installed with above setup?

Both CPU and GPU seem to have high temp at idle, especially they run at stock clock.
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Yes..currently 1 lousy come with casing 120mm fan..and 2 silverstone 1300+rpm 120mm fan..1 at front for intake..and 2 for exhaust at rear and front..

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