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 Blotter Spot Test Oil Analysis:VOA Helix HX7 5W30, 16,286 km blotter Shell Helix Ultra 5W40

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TSzeng
post Mar 24 2017, 01:21 PM

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Update: 14218 km (8886 miles) ...... and going.
Semi synthetic Total Quartz 7000 Energy 10W40 in service .
66 hour Blotter Spot.

Looks healthy .....

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post Mar 24 2017, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Mar 24 2017, 01:21 PM)
Update: 14218 km (8886 miles) ...... and going.
Semi synthetic Total Quartz 7000 Energy 10W40 in service .
66 hour Blotter Spot.

Looks healthy .....

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Do you still remember when you did the oil change?
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post Mar 25 2017, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Mar 24 2017, 04:20 PM)
Do you still remember when you did the oil change?

Yes, this Quartz semisyn was replaced in week 1 of August 2016 .... so till date is about 7.5 months.
I earlier mistook it as Apr 2016, which was for 1994 Wira 1.5 using HDEO 15W40.
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post Mar 25 2017, 09:24 AM

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For those vehicle that can do ODI up to 20,000 KM,The engine is EURO 3,4 or 5 spec, using Fully synthetic oil and some with 'Long life specification" and original oil filter.

As mostly oem recommended maximun 10K for oil drain interval because of oil filter,engine oil additive lifespan and depend on the engine design.

The engine oil contain engine oil additive which will ageing over the time,your oil may look clean but the engine oil additive that add in the engine oil will had rapid additive depletion due to our petrol sulfur contain,hot weather in malaysia, always having short distance driving,dirty or blocked air cleaner ,stuck in traffic jam and so on.

Just my 2 cent about engine oil ODI information.

ISUZU MUX oil drain interval is 20K based on OEM.

Maybe other got better idea why some vehicle had longer oil drain interval?

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TSzeng
post Mar 26 2017, 07:38 PM

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I had been monitoring UOA's of fully synthetic ; semi synthetic and mineral oils in America ......
and read-up on Blotter Spot tests method online .....
and hence pushing for longer OCI's which may be deemed as 'uncharted waters' .....
as a contribution to lowyat forum. blush.gif

Edit:As of today, touching 14900 km ...... and going.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Feb 20 2017, 11:42 PM)
Sorry for misrepresenting XL 0W30 as fullsyn oils.
Generally dual rated HDEO oils is more stout than PCMO oils, I believe.

Hahaha ......> 14 months usage ........
so much for the myth here that engine oil must be replaced at not more than 12 months.

At 12000 km OCI, appreciate if you could upload here its Blotter Spot Tests pictures for comparisons. dry.gif
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Hi, finally done 12k km.

Car make: Nissan AD Resort 1.6L
Engine: GA16 carburetted
EO used: Duron XL 0w30 (API CH4/SJ) synthetic blend
Mileage clocked: 12707km

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post May 22 2017, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ May 20 2017, 10:20 PM)
Hi, finally done 12k km.

Car make: Nissan AD Resort 1.6L
Engine: GA16 carburetted
EO used: Duron XL 0w30 (API CH4/SJ) synthetic blend
Mileage clocked: 12707km

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Not bad at 12k km.

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post May 22 2017, 09:52 PM

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Total Quartz 7000 Energy 10W40 A3B4 SL semi synthetic;
Oil change at 16,593 km;
in Toyota Avanza 1.3L K3VE engine.
9 months as at May 2017.

48 hour Blotter spot:
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Colour at oil change is not black or gray, but bright brownish and red hue.

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post May 22 2017, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ May 22 2017, 09:44 PM)
Not bad at 12k km.
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I am changing new oil this week biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chemistry @ May 22 2017, 10:34 PM)
I am changing new oil this week  biggrin.gif
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Kindly observe colour of drained oil as used HDEO oil tends to be blackish or grayish, though still serviceable.
Btw, your engine comes with timing belt and not timing chain right?


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QUOTE(zeng @ May 22 2017, 10:51 PM)
Kindly observe colour of drained oil  as used HDEO oil tends to be blackish or grayish, though still serviceable.
Btw, your engine comes with timing belt and not timing chain right?
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OK, will ask the foreman to keep the used Oil Filter for me biggrin.gif
GA16 uses timing chain.
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post May 23 2017, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ May 22 2017, 11:05 PM)
OK, will ask the foreman to keep the used Oil Filter for me  biggrin.gif 
GA16 uses timing chain.
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My understanding of timinig chain is it shears oil viscosity in use, probably up to 10,000 km or so.
With 'life time' timing chain in my Avanza K3VE, xW40 is my go-to oil, among other operating conditions.
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QUOTE(zeng @ May 23 2017, 12:49 PM)
My understanding of timinig chain is it shears oil viscosity in use, probably up to 10,000 km or so.
With 'life time' timing chain in my Avanza K3VE, xW40 is my go-to oil, among other operating conditions.
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Most of the oil shearing are at the high pressure areas like the cam lobes, valve heads/rocker, crank bearings, crank journal, etc. If don't explore much rev above 4000rpm, most of the oil degradation is from the depletion of the additives, not really due to oil shear.
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QUOTE(zeng @ May 23 2017, 12:49 PM)
My understanding of timinig chain is it shears oil viscosity in use, probably up to 10,000 km or so.
With 'life time' timing chain in my Avanza K3VE, xW40 is my go-to oil, among other operating conditions.
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Yup gonna change to Duron XL 15W40 soon.
0w30 variant sold out already haha..
This motor prefer high SAPS oil.
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QUOTE(chemistry @ May 22 2017, 11:05 PM)
OK, will ask the foreman to keep the used Oil Filter for me  biggrin.gif 
GA16 uses timing chain.
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Done oil change just now. Labour RM15.
Observed colour of drained oil, it was dark brown.
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QUOTE(chemistry @ May 24 2017, 04:33 PM)
Done oil change just now. Labour RM15.

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Wa...the labour cost at your place so nice one. My side at least double dry.gif
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ May 24 2017, 04:50 PM)
Wa...the labour cost at your place so nice one. My side at least double  dry.gif
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Haha, ya, RM15 is considered as minimum labour charge nowadays. Somemore got free checking air filter, coolant level, brake fluid level, power steering fluid level , although I myself can check too.
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QUOTE(chemistry @ May 24 2017, 04:33 PM)
Done oil change just now. Labour RM15.
Observed colour of drained oil, it was dark brown.
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UOA's of black coloured (including those with dark hue) used oils on Bitog do often indicate continuing serviceability of said oil with good/low metal wear rates, Flash point, TBN, insolubles etc.
Plus your uploading of Blotter spot tests before this, I would speculate this dark brown coloured used oil is probably still serviceable.
Engine varnish, if any, in itself is not a sign of definite engine failure.

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ May 23 2017, 03:30 PM)
Most of the oil shearing are at the high pressure areas like the cam lobes, valve heads/rocker, crank bearings, crank journal, etc. If don't explore much rev above 4000rpm, most of the oil degradation is from the depletion of the additives, not really due to oil shear.
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Agree with you.....
and timing chains and turbos do contribute to viscosity shearing.

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As you know, mechanical shearing occurs at several common locations within an engine and it can differ from engine to engine based on the hardware design, In my opinion, most of the shearing occurs in the valve train and the timing chain/gears.


https://bobistheoilguy.com/valve-train-and-...ing-chain-wear/

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QUOTE(zeng @ May 24 2017, 06:43 PM)
UOA's of black coloured (including those with dark hue) used oils on Bitog do often indicate continuing serviceability of said oil with good/low metal wear rates, Flash point, TBN, insolubles etc.
Plus your uploading of Blotter spot tests before this, I would speculate this dark brown coloured used oil is probably still serviceable.
Engine varnish, if any, in itself is not a  sign of definite engine failure.
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Yeah I think so too , but given the oil already in service for 17 months, i think it already well reflected its value biggrin.gif

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