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wkc5657
post Aug 14 2019, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Aug 14 2019, 02:56 PM)
Don't know which side correct hehe..
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https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html

scroll to shell lower down the listing
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Aug 14 2019, 03:26 PM)
https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html

scroll to shell lower down the listing
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It could also be MB haven't updated the list yet. IDk.
Any gentleman willing to query MB or Shell on this issue?
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QUOTE(chemistry @ Aug 14 2019, 03:55 PM)
It could also be MB haven't updated the list yet. IDk.
Any gentleman willing to query MB or Shell on this issue?
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Unlikely to be mercedes side fault, if you scroll back up near the top, see the right side before the list begins, it is the date last updated.

And last updated yesterday icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Aug 14 2019, 04:01 PM)
Unlikely to be mercedes side fault, if you scroll back up near the top, see the right side before the list begins, it is the date last updated.

And last updated yesterday  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Good observation bro.
Wanted to ask Shell Flagstore store about this, but then found out that they don't sell HX8 .
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post Aug 14 2019, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(chemistry @ Aug 14 2019, 01:47 AM)
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yes the bottle label does specify MB-approval 229.5
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Hi Chemistry,
can you take a closer look at the picture, if you've a higher resolution one, to establish this HX8 X 5W30 is MB 229.5 or 229.3 ?
I've images showing HX8 (without X) 5W30 from Russia, Indonesia and Australia/NZ showing MB 229.3.
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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 14 2019, 04:58 PM)
Hi Chemistry,
can you take a closer look at the picture, if you've a higher resolution one, to establish this HX8 X 5W30 is MB 229.5 or 229.3 ?
I've images showing HX8 (without X) 5W30 from Russia, Indonesia and Australia/NZ showing MB 229.3.
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Hi zeng,
I got the picture from mudah.
Link: https://m.mudah.my/view?ad_id=76249540
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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Aug 13 2019, 11:35 PM)
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This
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90Boyz,
do you have access to this used bottle to take a snap on its back label ? or anyone else ?

Thanks for sharing, Chemistry.
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post Aug 15 2019, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 15 2019, 09:56 AM)
90Boyz,
do you have access to this used bottle to take a snap on its back label ? or anyone else ?

Thanks for sharing, Chemistry.
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Hi Zeng bro,
Will take a photo once i reach home.
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post Aug 15 2019, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Aug 14 2019, 03:26 PM)
https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html

scroll to shell lower down the listing
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Not sure whether you're suggesting 90Boyz's HX8 5W30 has MB 229.5 approval.

However accoding to your link, MB 229.5 only applies to Helix HX8 0W30 and 0W40, not 5W30 :
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whereas MB 229.3 includes HX8 5W30 :
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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 15 2019, 04:01 PM)
Not sure whether you're suggesting 90Boyz's HX8 5W30 has MB 229.5 approval.

However accoding to your link, MB 229.5 only applies to Helix HX8 0W30 and 0W40, not 5W30 :
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whereas MB 229.3 includes HX8 5W30 :
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good catch

siao liao....almost confuse sia....

Shell you telling lies?
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post Aug 15 2019, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 15 2019, 04:01 PM)
Not sure whether you're suggesting 90Boyz's HX8 5W30 has MB 229.5 approval.

However accoding to your link, MB 229.5 only applies to Helix HX8 0W30 and 0W40, not 5W30 :
Attached Image ,

whereas MB 229.3 includes HX8 5W30 :
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post Aug 16 2019, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Aug 15 2019, 07:48 PM)
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Thanks for uploading this 'precious' image showing HX8 X 5W30 as MB 229.5 approved, consistent with Shell Msia web claims.
Would be watching for changes of 'other' Shell sites.
.... and periodic MB approval listing updates, to reconcile variations
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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 16 2019, 09:58 AM)
Thanks for uploading this 'precious' image showing HX8 X 5W30 as MB 229.5 approved, consistent with Shell Msia web claims.
Would be watching for changes of 'other' Shell sites.
.... and periodic MB approval listing updates, to reconcile variations
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MB approved listing is pretty recent, so i don't think it is MB's fault.

Likely shell put that because it meets the specification, just didn't send to MB to validate, hence didn't appear on MB's list.

But still, need to get confirmation on both ends to really confirm on who is right or wrong.
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Kia Rio UB 1.4 year 2014
Current OD : 95680km (oil age : 11680km)
Oil change interval : 10k
Oil use : Petronas Syntium 3000 FR 5w30

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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Aug 16 2019, 11:31 PM)
Kia Rio UB 1.4 year 2014
Current OD : 95680km (oil age : 11680km)
Oil change interval : 10k
Oil use : Petronas Syntium 3000 FRĀ  5w30

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Hi,
another clean and sort of soot free (as there is no gray colour) blotter spot test at 11680 km from Syntium 3000 FR 5W30 A5B5 , although there is indication of slight fuel dilution (by looking at the translusence at the outermost zone) .
Is the engine direct injection type or sampling was done cold ?
Detergency/dispersancy capabilties of oil has plenty of life to go on, if one wish to extend it.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 17 2019, 10:31 AM)
Hi,
another clean and sort of soot free (as there is no gray colour) blotter spot test at 11680 km from Syntium 3000 FR 5W30 A5B5 , although there is indication of slight fuel dilution (by looking at the translusence at the outermost zone) .
Is the engine direct injection type or sampling was done cold ?
Detergency/dispersancy capabilties of oil has plenty of life to go on, if one wish to extend it.
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Sampling taken after engine was stopped about 30mind after driven around 40mins
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Hi Zeng. Any comments on this oil?

Mazda 3 2.0L Skyactiv
Current Odo : 98k+ km [due in around101,000km]
Date: 18/08/2019
Blotter time : 9am [picture taken 3pm] after approx 6 hours
oil age: last oil change is 91k km [March'19]
Engine oil used: Mobil 1 Extended Performance SN.
Type: 5w-30
Driving condition 60% city 40% highway [sometime highspeed revving.
Fuel used: BHP Ron 95




Can this oil last till my service due? I am a bit worried as most of the member posted is in golden color. Wondering this Mobil 1 ep oil is suitable? Been using 2nd time already.

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post Aug 18 2019, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(incredibless @ Aug 18 2019, 03:40 PM)
Hi Zeng. Any comments on this oil?

Mazda 3 2.0L Skyactiv
Current Odo : 98k+ km [due in around101,000km]
Date: 18/08/2019
Blotter time : 9am [picture taken 3pm] after approx 6 hours
oil age: last oil change is 91k km [March'19]
Engine oil used: Mobil 1 Extended Performance SN.
Type: 5w-30
Driving condition 60% city 40% highway [sometime highspeed revving.
Fuel used: BHP Ron 95
Can this oil last till my service due? I am a bit worried as most of the member posted is in golden color. Wondering this Mobil 1 ep oil is suitable? Been using 2nd time already.

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Hi incredibless,

The gray/darkened colour we see in this 6 hour blotter spot indicates there is presence of soot and combustion byproducts in this used Mobil EP oil, traveling outwards away from the 'centre zone' of about 8 mm diameter size.

With a 48 hour blotter spot later, we would be able to see clearer whether the oil detergency/dispersancy capability has badly deteriorated such that the centre zone is darkened and opague with possibly a dark-coloured perimeter ring surrounding this centre zone. This indicates oil life may be used up and require replacement depending on severity of black spot in the centre zone .

If the centre zone at 48 hour is light yellow/brownish, translucent and not darkened and opague, it indicates the oil dispersancy capability is in top form and likely fit for continuing service.

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So it would be nice to wait till the blotter spot 'matures' after 48 hours of drop to better ascertain the 'fitness' of the used oil.

Edit:If I must guess with a quick interim answer, in my experience, this used oil should be good to last until your next scheduled oil change at ODO 101k km.

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 18 2019, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 18 2019, 04:07 PM)
Hi incredibless,

The gray/darkened colour we see in this 6 hour blotter spot indicates there is presence of soot and combustion byproducts in this used Mobil EP oil, traveling outwards away from the 'centre zone' of about 8 mm diameter size.

With a 48 hour blotter spot later, we would be able to see clearer whether the oil detergency/dispersancy capability has badly deteriorated such that the centre zone is darkened and opague with possibly a dark-coloured perimeter ring surrounding this centre zone. This indicates oil life may be used up and require replacement depending on severity of black spot in the centre zone .

If the centre zone at 48 hour is light yellow/brownish, translucent and not darkened and opague, it indicates the oil dispersancy capability is in top form and likely fit for continuing service.

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From Post #1

So it would be nice to wait till the blotter spot 'matures' after 48 hours of drop to better ascertain the 'fitness' of the used oil.

Edit:If I must guess with a quick interim answer, in my experience, this  used oil should be good to last until your next scheduled oil change at ODO 101k km.
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I see Zeng. Thank you very much for your good information. I shall wait for another day to complete the 48 hours. Hope it will turn out to be fine smile.gif
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i did another sample yesterday. just before i added seafoam to the engine oil (https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4692120/)

i will try to get another sample mid of week, then just before i change my engine oil on weekend, and then another sample a few days after change engine oil.
some recommended to do another round of oil change so this is to test it out.


QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Jul 26 2019, 09:04 PM)
Switching from hdeo 0-30w to shell helix ultra 5w40 from giant

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