Persona everything is as good if not better than saga EXCEPT it's exterior looks for me. Weird rear lol.

Also for uphill climb, CVT>4AT

I had drive both car saga and city. And I got same opinion as Kon Wai Luen. As I goes faster, I feel city much more quieter due to this reason(Lower rpm when Cruise). In fact few proton also I had drive which bring same charateristics.

Please dont protek2 so strong until need to take bentley in. No matter how good the car nvh is, if rpm is high, then u still can feel its noisy over car that have lower rpm.

Theres at least 40k difference in price and people with any common sense wouldn't expect a Saga to be on par with any City Vios or even Almera on NVH.

Your expectation of Saga is unrealistic and the comparison is not even fair to begin with.

but you know...average malaysian mindset...

proton = no good, power windows koyak
perodua = very good, pakai toyota engine very reliable very save fuel



from my point of view, this saga 2019 is a very competitive car against perodua 

manual variant instantly kills that pity Axia E Kosong

auto standard variant price very hard to resist even if you prefer Axia auto.
some might still go for Axia because of the need a small hatchback car for 100% city drive, this makes sense.
Bezza 1.0? it was the only option before Saga 2019 standard comes out. people just need to pay a little bit more compare to Axia to get a basic sedan. that time old Saga VVT standard don't have abs, so Bezza 1.0 might be a better choice.
unless you need the fuel saving Bezza for high mileage usage to cari rezeki, a penny saved is a penny earned, else Saga 2019 gives you more value.

now comes to auto premium variant, it makes both Bezza premium X and Advance look so overpriced.
but some people still need the combo of fuel saving, big boot space, leather seat of the Bezza Advance to cari rezeki, that's the selling points of Bezza.

i think the Saga 2019 also manage to upsale the Persona 2019. People seems reluctant purposely go to find out Persona 2019, but people willing to give it a try after testing the Saga.

While New Myvi still carries the title of "Malaysian God Car", Iriz 2019 and Kia Picanto GT failed to challenge the throne. 

Free petrol is good but others is so so... will be nice if they can convert others to something from below, more useful imo:

1) Auto Brake Lock (shopee - rm55)
(eg: https://shopee.com.my/Proton-Saga-2016-2019...192.1521243857)

2) Security/chrome lock nut with cap x 1 set (shopee - rm20~40)
(eg: https://shopee.com.my/Heptagon-Wheel-Lock-N...741.1683313102)
(eg: https://shopee.com.my/TS-Proton-Waja-Saga-M...0216.2106926840

3) Carpet (coil mat)

3) Aftermarket foot rest x1 (lazada - < rm20), arm rest (shoppee <rm60)

Better ya?

Proton Engineering Team Sharing about 2019 Proton Saga (TLDR translated by BOTAK_WAI)



Development
1. 14-15 months development time.
2. Changes ware made within budget to ensure the car price stays under RM40k.
3. Saga 2019 and Iriz/Persona 2019 handled by different team, both teams don't know what's the upgrades done by each other. That explains why Saga gets the LED map lights from X70 while Iriz/Persona get the Hi Proton headunit.
4. Why Iriz/Persona did not get the 4AT, Saga engineering team replied B-Segment is a more competitive market, CVT is more suitable for Iriz/Persona.

4AT
1. Gearbox is supplied by Hyundai, but tuned by Proton engineers.
2. To mate with S4PH Campro VVT, the components like crankshaft, torque converter, drive shaft, gearbox housing have to be redesigned.
3. Therefore, Saga has undergone collision, emission, heat dissipation, and performance test again. (lab-test and field-test in different countries)

4AT Shift Pattern
1. Saga 2019 comes with P R N D S. (where D=Normal Mode, S=Sport Mode)
2. Engineers consider that the targeted consumer group is not well-versed in automotive knowledge, therefore they introduce S mode to replace 3 2 L mode.
3. You can rev the engine to higher rpm before upshifting under S mode.
4. There's hidden uphill mode where it will be automatically activated once detected your car is being driven up to certain angle of slope, the system holds a gear for a longer duration before upshifting to ensure the car has more power for uphill.

Fuel Consumption
1. The combined fuel economy of Saga 2019 is 6.7 L/100 km, under NEDC test procedures.
2. Urban driving Cycle [2016 Saga CVT] better, Extra-urban driving Cycle [2019 Saga 4AT] better.

Chassis Upgrades
1. 2019 Saga uses Iriz/Persona brake rotor, which is 1 inch larger than the 2016 Saga.
2. 2019 Saga Rim PCD now is 114.3, while 2016 Saga Rim PCD 100. This is not a plug and play upgrade, so 2016 Saga owners no need think about changing to the 2019 Saga Rim.
3. Engineering team has done modification on chassis to fit the new brake system, thus the ESC, ABS, and other related electronic safety system were recalibrated to match the new brake and gearbox.
4. New gearbox and new brake increase the car weight, therefore engineers also redesign and retune the suspension system, and sent it for safety test again.

source: http://www.automachi.com/2019/08/five-thin...19-proton-saga/

no such problem with power windows since saga blm 2008.

if someone want to query that, they just come out from cave.

perodua is toyota's grandson, so people will take it as a confident booster. Without a doubt, perodua powertrain reliability should be a tat better than Proton. We can't dispiute that.

Other things, it is a mixed of yes and no. sometime proton parts are ok, sometimes peoruda part are better. But then, perodua sc service level is going down hill, probably they have many service intake to handle (to earn money), so they will be less concern about warranty claims (which is not making money). Proton, i think the service levle should be improved if not better than perodua after geely take over.

Guys comparing new saga to axia. Is saga still better?

Sis in law looking to get axia but i feel saga better

   

bezza can give immediate stock, direct marry bezza back 

still dare to help sway forumers buy saga in the thread

congrats to u, two times bezza owner, not many people will make same mistake twice, hope if someone offers you a good deal again, you sell it off later and buy the third times make it a hat trick

should count ourselves lucky la, later might hear you complain saga here and there

dun think perodua will have better rv in the future, proton's wouldn't continue suck either in the future

Need to know car manufactured year and mileage also. Car body jerking or engine jerking?

Car body jerk could be rreated to the suspension system i guess.

If engine jerking, maybe can check spark plugs, plug cable, ignition coil etc.

Campro engine head gasket tend to leak oil and it goes to the spark plugs. But this doesnt explain why it only jerk during cornering and turn.

So my guess, is itvhas something to do with your engine mounting and plug cable. When engine mounting is bad, engine shakes and moves during acceleration, braking and cornering and messed up your plug cable.
Bad fuel filter normally will usually mkake the car jerk if driving on a slope. Probably 30 degree and above low speed

ayam interested on your claim on purge canister

can share what happen loh? engine check light on than SC check need to change or what?

Im going to SC have a check on this too on Monday.
I also got this tiktiktik  last 10 sec after turn off engine (actually it also tik-ing when engine on). So this is caused by the 'purge canister'?

Beside, mine got a kirik kiring kirik kiring sound come from front, mostly kirik kiring ksound come when I press gas harder and engine in a higher pressure/rpm. Anyone know what happen to this? 

Hi guys,

My CVT has been jerking a lot recently, especially during cornering (40kmph) and turning (20kmph). Previously after the software update last year the jerk was gone and it came back recently and got worse.

I am going for warranty claim for my purge canister next week. So what should I tell the SC to my CVT jerking?Ask them to flash the software or reset the CVT software?

Also what else can cause the jerking except the CVT? I was suspecting the spark plug or engine problem, but the rpm is stable whenever it jerks so I think it is all CVT's fault la haha

the tips your sa told you, i do that all the time, i think it's called priming the fuel pump...

the key is turned at ignition switch until on, normally my clock and some light will on, my headunit also on and will show a timer,

normally 10 to 15 seconds or so as it shows on the headunit, i turn the key, the engine crank and start

sometimes i feel there is different, sometimes no, but mostly will still keep doing it because slightly faster start and that's also what many people feel based on i read when i was younger
so, i thought right about the fuel pump, how did technicians at service centre diagnosed??

do they just approve claims based on what you experienced, jerking??

do u have a habit of refilling petrol when it's quite low in the tank, almost empty??

same with ayam. it call priming engine to be exact. 

ayam do like this, turn key to on, wait for ayam dual dash cam to chime (normally took around 20 sec).
by that time all dashboard light turn on, engine check light turn off already, radio show clock and start music already

then after that ayam turn key to crank and start engine.

ayam do this all time way back when owning kancil.

Just found out that when using older phone like Samsung S4, note 3 etc.. you can actually control/touch apps like waze/maps/spotify using the head unit while mirrorlink. Sad. But when using new phone you cannot, can just display what's on your phone, cannot control with the headunit. Zzz

Off-topic

I have 2 parking summons (motorcycle) from DBKL. 1 of the summons notice status is 'Aduan Mahkamah'. what's it mean? Im going to court?
do i need to pay that summons as soon as possible? 

A buyer from Perodua Bezza Facebook commented he regret buying saga as RM40 fuel can only go 200km.

Just got my car guys.

overall bang for buck, surprised with the ride.
pickup wise much better than old saga blm
NVH is good an entry level car.

question, is there an Off/On option for ECO? i see there is Green ECO icon at the dashboard.

can recommend me a tint around Rm500 budget? prefer one that the performance can last for about 5yr.
usually tint shop will say US tint but after 1 year the performance degraded.

this is the RPM @100km/hr