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 New Saga VVT Club V1 Thread, ~For New Saga owners~

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singk
post Feb 16 2017, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Imagination *-* @ Feb 14 2017, 07:37 PM)
1. Coolant is good.
2. Oil level is good.
3. Not due service for another 3500 km
4. It happens all the time when in low gear and higher load. Like gear 3 in sub 30kmh.

Could be loose heat shield as I've discovered from other people's solution to this problem over the Internet.

Also ron95 should be no problem since this car is designed to run on 95. And Ron97 is not cheap.
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we can rule out the cooling fluid then.
Looking at item 4, it apparently the same trait found on my BLM as well, hmmm... anyway bro, campro engine doesnt likes low rpm (as what i observe on my BLM, i'm not sure how different the vvt engine is and i don't think it is a world different since the vvt still a campro, design wise still the same, just that they tweak the timing and other stuffs, however the genetic is still carried over), it's not myvi engine which you can have a peppy throttle response even it is 1300rpm.

Well, campro engine able to take on ron95, that for sure, what doesn't written in the fineline is it runs better in ron97. brows.gif and my friend who work as a mechanic says campro engine will have the tendency for carbon build up in the engine.

If you have the chance, do a round of highway trip, i mean like cruising on highway for like 150km or so. As my saga doesn't pinging after i done a long trip. but it will come back after i drive a few days in the city. I pump it with caltex, not sure whether the fuel or the engine running condition or both adds up.
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post Feb 16 2017, 02:35 PM

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hello, any premium variant owners here facing issues with the radio and usb? Mine kept resetting the clock to 12 am and losing all the frequencies saved. Plus the radio often unable to detect usb.

sent to proton and theyve already given me a new head unit but the problem persists
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post Feb 16 2017, 04:33 PM

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battery terminal loose?
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post Feb 16 2017, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(Imagination *-* @ Jan 29 2017, 10:42 PM)
List of issues with mine so far with "possible" solutions..

8. Really poor performance & response when driving under 2k rpm.
    - this is when the engine is at operating temperature. When my engine is cold, performance is good and snappy most of the time (I'm not really sure is this all the time or not). Could be due to ecu pump rich a/f ratio during cold.
    - Also when driving at low speed and moderate rpm, when the aircon compressor kicks in, can definitely feel  my rpm dropped and a braking force exerted to my cars engine. In other words it sorts of jerked. In a manual...
    - Also, sometimes when shifting back to neutral and braking towards a stop. rpm stays at 1.5k and later on drops. refering to this (persoan vvt group)    https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4011234/+1540  , could be due to faulty brake stop switch. Will check with SC on my 3rd problems trip there.
VVT Basic Grey => My story goes here https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4161588&hl=

The delay lag pickup sometimes can goes to 2k-3k rpm only jalan with a jerk ranting.gif

Meanwhile, the yellow engine sign until today still haven't fix (3 months already) puke.gif

FC full tank can jalan like 300km only even im light footed, probably due to the lag thing.

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post Feb 17 2017, 05:31 AM

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QUOTE(Left4Dead2 @ Feb 16 2017, 11:40 PM)
FC full tank can jalan like 300km only even im light footed, probably due to the lag thing.
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1. Fill up tank to full.
2. Reset your tripmeter - Google/ask how to use a tripmeter if you don't know.
3. Drive till tank almost empty or light flashes.
4. Fill up tank to full. This is VERY IMPORTANT - Note down the amount of petrol (in litres) used from pump readout or your receipt.
5. VERY IMPORTANT - note down your distance (in KM) travelled on the tripmeter, then reset it.
6. Do your maths. KM travelled / amount of petrol used = fuel efficiency (KM/litre).

All the agak-agak methods are useless with people citing different fuel economy using imprecise methods.
300km for full tank is odd, even my 15 year 1.3 Wira (M) gets 11-13KM/litre typical mixed-mode driving.
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post Feb 17 2017, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(Username is username @ Feb 15 2017, 02:39 PM)
having the same issue. thinking of getting replacement from SC on my 1st service next week.
Have u sorted out this problem?
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nope. i only two issue regarding this car.

issue (1) are the sound that came from left side absorber. already going 3 time to CS (2 time at seksyen 7 shah alam CS and 1 time at COSE). the shah alam one only manage to put lubricant to absorber and sound stop but time goes by when lubricant finish, the sound will came back.

when try to rectify at COSE, they replace the pillow thinggy at absorber assembly and they found that it still not fully solve the issue (heck proton technician even test it in COSE RnD test area with me to show what wrong). after 4 hours of testing and visit from proton design engineer (mr hafiz), the issue came from hardness setting of absorber and proton inform they will talk with vendor to replace it

issue (2) are reverse sensor. this thing make beeping sound like my ex girlfriend doe... inform proton during COSE visit and they inform need to replace whole set of reverse sensor assembly but no stock due to backorder. backorder cause by the second batch (late 2016 came out from factory) use the remaining stock

at the end... proton CS inform since 5k to go for next service, they inform part will be replace during that time as long next service at COSE itself.

conclusion after 4 hour at COSE, need to wait for next service mega_shok.gif but at least they inform that lot of people that buy these car have these two common issue

(if they not replace the part on my service, konfem i mengamuk liaw-liaw punya) ranting.gif ranting.gif
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post Feb 17 2017, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(homerthewhopper @ Feb 16 2017, 02:35 PM)
hello, any premium variant owners here facing issues with the radio and usb? Mine kept resetting the clock to 12 am and losing all the frequencies saved. Plus the radio often unable to detect usb.

sent to proton and theyve already given me a new head unit but the problem persists
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So far so good. No issue on it.
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post Feb 17 2017, 11:26 PM

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My pinging issue is worsening now I feel. It's across every gear now at moderate speed. It's more frequent than my old Iswara zzz.

Since recently due to work have to travel quite a distance, touch wood nothing bad happens.

Also my fuel consumption is ok @ 10-12 km/l. Since paultan did the 95 vs 97 test, their saga did around 14+km/litre.
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post Feb 17 2017, 11:31 PM

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Fuel consumption u need calculate like this.

Use ur fuel till u really feel the urge to fill it up. Now fill it up to full. Full as in u press nozzle until it squirts back out some petrol.

Next reset trip meter. Use like normal until u want to pump petrol again. Now pump and again pressing noble until some fuel squirts back out. Now get the receipt and take note of how much litre consumed.

Next is just divide the kilometer used until your current pump from your trip meter with the litres used in this current pump.

And u have ur best estimation of your fuel consumption in km/litre.

*lol noticed a forumer did explain this already at the top. Well then this as confirmation then.

This post has been edited by Imagination *-*: Feb 17 2017, 11:34 PM
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post Feb 18 2017, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(m_m1 @ Feb 17 2017, 08:52 PM)
So far so good. No issue on it.
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How's the USB? If you don't remove the USB will it still detect it the next time you start the car? For me I have to reinsert the USB which can be annoying
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post Feb 18 2017, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Imagination *-* @ Feb 17 2017, 11:31 PM)
Fuel consumption u need calculate like this.

Use ur fuel till u really feel the urge to fill it up. Now fill it up to full. Full as in u press nozzle until it squirts back out some petrol.

Next reset trip meter. Use like normal until u want to pump petrol again. Now pump and again pressing noble until some fuel squirts back out. Now get the receipt and take note of how much litre consumed.

Next is just divide the kilometer used until your current pump from your trip meter with the litres used in this current pump.

And u have ur best estimation of your fuel consumption in km/litre.

*lol noticed a forumer did explain this already at the top. Well then this as confirmation then.
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I use an app called drivo its easy to setup and quite useful to monitor fc
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post Feb 18 2017, 03:42 PM

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I've recorded my rattling sound at a hill. However it is now audible on flat rounds as well with conditions stated above earlier.

https://youtu.be/g_Kqu87j7FI

Sounds bad?
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post Feb 18 2017, 10:01 PM

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Just wanna share. So far for my car when refilling back the car when the fuel indicator starts to blink range from
30L to 32 L.

Saga fuel tank volume is 40L.

So safe to say when you guyz do your calculation in this condition (as mentioned above) can just divide your distance by 30,31 & 32 L.

Or start to take note fuel refilled when your nozzle starts to turn off, and try until your fuel pump starts to flood.

Surprise2. 12km/l, 13km/l and 14km/l is not that far distance covered per tank, if you got what I mean.
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Oso i already decat my self 😂.
Installed 4-2-1. Everthing else is standard.

Sound not so nice. Like a growling if you wind down your window.
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post Feb 18 2017, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(Imagination *-* @ Feb 18 2017, 03:42 PM)
I've recorded my rattling sound at a hill. However it is now audible on flat rounds as well with conditions stated above earlier.

https://youtu.be/g_Kqu87j7FI

Sounds bad?
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That sounds like my old saga when I used the wrong gear. For example, in the situation in your video if I'm using 3rd gear then I'll hear that sound on my car. I believe they called it lugging the engine. What gear are you using in that video?
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post Feb 18 2017, 10:45 PM

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saga flx cvt something mcam tu..i used to it
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post Feb 18 2017, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(totorohui10 @ Feb 18 2017, 10:26 PM)
That sounds like my old saga when I used the wrong gear. For example, in the situation in your video if I'm using 3rd gear then I'll hear that sound on my car. I believe they called it lugging the engine. What gear are you using in that video?
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It was in gear 2. In this case in the video yes it can be said I am lugging the engine since I sudden depress the accelerator massively at low speed and on a hill. This just to show case the pinging sound. However this sound happens way to often now even on straight rounds at high speeds in every gear when accelerating. I suspect it has got to do with my ecu ignition timing.

The sound wont appear only if I constantly keep my rev above 3k rpm at least before accelerating be it gently or harshly. In order to avoid this pining sound from happening to often i need to drive my new car like i stole it. Trying to keep it above 3k and shifting gears from 3.5k ~ 4k rpm.

When i got the proton saga aeroback like 15 years ago (manual as well) it did not have this sound at all as a new car until it has surpassed 10 years old. haizzzzzzzzzzz
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post Feb 18 2017, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(Imagination *-* @ Feb 18 2017, 11:15 PM)
It was in gear 2. In this case in the video yes it can be said I am lugging the engine since I sudden depress the accelerator massively at low speed and on a hill. This just to show case the pinging sound. However this sound happens way to often now even on straight rounds at high speeds in every gear when accelerating. I suspect it has got to do with my ecu ignition timing.

The sound wont appear only if I constantly keep my rev above 3k rpm at least before accelerating be it gently or harshly. In order to avoid this pining sound from happening to often i need to drive my new car like i stole it. Trying to keep it above 3k and shifting gears from 3.5k ~ 4k rpm.

When i got the proton saga aeroback like 15 years ago (manual as well) it did not have this sound at all as a new car until it has surpassed 10 years old. haizzzzzzzzzzz
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If you're in 2nd gear then I don't think you lugged the engine. At least I think my saga will not have that sound then going up that slope at 2nd gear at that speed. What I would do is that I will find few other people to drive the car and see still got that sound or not and how frequent it is. At least I'll know whether it's my driving style that make this sound or it's the problem with the car itself.

What did the people at proton service say about this? Did they tell you it is normal? Another way is to take it to the workshop outside and ask them what might be the possible cause, no need to do anything to the car. It's better to have another opinion from different mechanics.
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QUOTE(totorohui10 @ Feb 18 2017, 11:53 PM)
If you're in 2nd gear then I don't think you lugged the engine. At least I think my saga will not have that sound then going up that slope at 2nd gear at that speed. What I would do is that I will find few other people to drive the car and see still got that sound or not and how frequent it is. At least I'll know whether it's my driving style that make this sound or it's the problem with the car itself.

What did the people at proton service say about this? Did they tell you it is normal? Another way is to take it to the workshop outside and ask them what might be the possible cause, no need to do anything to the car. It's better to have another opinion from different mechanics.
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Not yet complain to proton. Will do it when I'm free. Since i got this video it might be easier to let them diagnose my car's issue.
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post Feb 20 2017, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(Imagination *-* @ Feb 18 2017, 11:15 PM)
It was in gear 2. In this case in the video yes it can be said I am lugging the engine since I sudden depress the accelerator massively at low speed and on a hill. This just to show case the pinging sound. However this sound happens way to often now even on straight rounds at high speeds in every gear when accelerating. I suspect it has got to do with my ecu ignition timing.

The sound wont appear only if I constantly keep my rev above 3k rpm at least before accelerating be it gently or harshly. In order to avoid this pining sound from happening to often i need to drive my new car like i stole it. Trying to keep it above 3k and shifting gears from 3.5k ~ 4k rpm.

When i got the proton saga aeroback like 15 years ago (manual as well) it did not have this sound at all as a new car until it has surpassed 10 years old. haizzzzzzzzzzz
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suspected timing too advanced. either ignition timing or valve timing. and same to my BLM, higher rpm it gone, but there's one time it comes during 4500rpm while i on 5th gear. shocking.gif

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