i would always prefers iridium spark plug that able to last 100k km. but i'm not sure whether it able to last so long on campro engine or not. i tried iridium on my old saga BLM before and it only last for 85k km with a worn tip. Hahaha... and too bad, there's no iridium spark plug available in sc. so die die have to stick with ordinary spark plug that requires replacement every 20k km.

This post has been edited by singk: Oct 22 2019, 01:45 PM

tak boleh buat apa, the only advantage of getting stuff from SC is, any shit happen you can f them up to the sky. Because we wouldn't know the authenticity of the item from the source. So the extra money paid is for "insurance" purpose.

the D gear brake on vibration on my car is settle with some adjustment at the bumper. i didn't get to see how they do it as i was checking my emails when they doing the service (working in sc), but i did remember that i saw some post in that fb group about the service bulletin on the D gear vibration issue.

Proton Service Center Jalan Makloom Penang.

i do wish i'm in KL area as well because i think its easier to get the issue solve in KL due to nearer to COSE, in penang, you may end up them lengah lengah issue, the rattling noise whenever doing cornering at bumpy road is still no update until today.

front, you can hear there's metal rattling. it usually happens when your steering is turned and going through bumpy road surface (imagine going up carpark with uneven surface due to the water grooves)

well, you can always go for a bezza if your priority is fc. no offence.

not sure whether saga is safer than bezza but on paper Bezza scores 5 star vs Saga scoring 4 stars, again i need to say, on paper. Of course things might be different if you whack a saga with a bezza.

ride and handling, no need to say la. the difference is so obvious.

given the 150kg weight deficit, lower compression ratio, older engine technology, a power sapping aircond compressor, additional pump needed for power steering. i think the difference is pretty justified, though i think there's still room for improvement for saga engine tuning, for example injector cutoff during deceleration. I wonder why proton engineer don't want to do that, really.


my house has a bezza and a saga MC 2019,
Bezza long term average FC: 13.5km per liter
Saga MC long term average FC: 10.6km per liter

Data from the apps that records fuel consumption.

both car is doing pretty much the same task, i.e almost the same routine, load etc. Aircond also warm setting.

1. why 2 A segment sedans? simple, one is my dad, one is me. i used to drive the bezza before i get the saga, so my dad is driving the bezza now. though both are same A segment, but they are quite different creature.

2. nope, my rattling wasn't due to gearbox mounting. it is very similiar with one owner in fb group, and his case solved by HQ involved in the problem resolution. i don't have such luxury as penang is so faraway from HQ. lucky that i'm not free these few weeks else i would had escalated the issue to HQ because there's no feedback from the SC/SA on the status update.

probably put down my personal judgement on the aspect that i can think of might help,

boot: bezza
fc: bezza
engine technology: bezza
branding perception: bezza (i mean typical people perception)
on paper safety rating from crash test: bezza

ride and handling: saga
nvh: saga
cabin comfort: saga
price: saga
exterior look: saga

no clear winner between these 2 cars from what i can see.

End of the day, it all boil down under buyer needs. Sometimes, the discount package could be a deal breaker as well.

long term combined fc. most of the time the cars are doing city driving. the fc on saga could be not that accurate as the mileage counter still in 4 digit. but i personally don't think the fc will improve by a lot even after passing 10k km mileage.

This post has been edited by singk: Nov 4 2019, 06:06 PM

KK labuan return already like 400km plus, you going to going round and round in labuan as well, so you've got at least half the mileage covered for 1st service. Probably a KK to Kudat trip will settle the balance mileage.
after 1st service then go kundasang, naik desa dairy farm. pakai Sukan mode.

based on what my memories on kundasang road, sukan mode is able to slow down the car (most of the road except the really slopey ones) but not much, so you still need to step the brakes, just not as hard as you need it compared to D position. And yeah, i personally prefers D-3-2-L gearshifts instead of D-S selection.

your SA wasn't totally wrong either, S for Sport/Sukan. WHen you in sukan mode, you go faster, mean you going to speed as well. i kinda feel like the throttle is more sharp in S mode but probably that is my own feelings. the rpm really goes higher before shifting nevertheless.

is it from the front disc brake? something sound like nguuk nguuuk

suspect something related to the power steering hose, but can't determine which part of it

beli kete kena la bela kete jugak. takkan la kahwin bini tak kasi jaga.

saga VVT CVT or 4AT?

good. at least proton is keeping improving their ECU firmware. or maybe their ECU firmware was half cook during the car release earlier on. haha....

i think knocking is a common issue for campro engine, just the matter of whether the driver is sensitive enough to pick that sound or not. i think this is something to deal with the engine design & tuning itself (who knows maybe the proton engineers tune the engine near to the limits?). I had a BLM and it has the knocking issue, but hey, no hole in the piston whatsoever even she did 200k km of mileage accumulated. Most of the time, slam in ron97 will have the knocking sound gone for good. On my saga vvt 4AT, the knocking sound exist since day one i get the car, so is it really carbon that cause it? i doubt so.

don't expect more mileage from a silverstone tyre, just dump it and go for a new ones when time comes.

hmmm.... official figure for the compression ratio is a typical 10:1, i do suspect they actually make it compressed harder, said like 11:1 hence the tendency of knocking. I'm not sure about persona or should i say campro 1.6 engine having the issue of knocking or not.

stroke rod? or is it crankshaft? or the conn rod? Maybe is worth while to have it kitted to have 1.6L displacement while maintaining the original block and everything, i think the cooling system still able to handle the cooling capacity, see the full width radiator itself should be capable enough already.

proton proclaimed that they change the design for the crankshaft to suit to the 4AT gearbox.

sorry i'm a bit lost here, "campro compression ratio is fix" and "1.6 campro cr is lower", so is campro 1.6 cr is 10:1 or less than 10:1? i know that saga campro 1.3 cr is 10:1

i see.... change the crankshaft to get longer stroke