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Ramjade
post Dec 5 2017, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 5 2017, 08:52 PM)
Do u think very dangerous if I put all in Amanah Saham?
I am not good in investing
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All investments are dangerous. With amanah saham,
1) big companies like Maybank going bankrupt (yes, it's entirely possible),
2) decreasing returns to the point that it's only FD rate
3) Malaysia economy is sluggish/ downwards (in the last 3 years) which makes amanah saham unable to generate enough cash to give high returns.
4) change from fixed price fund to variable price fund (happened before but was given notice beforehand)

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post Dec 6 2017, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 6 2017, 08:10 AM)
Thank you very much. I think will probably dump all into Amanah Saham at the moment. That the highest interest rate at the moment with lowest risk. Better than fd
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Make sure to pick the right amanah saham. Don't get conned by banks agents to buy ASG and ASN3.

Next question you will be asking is how to open amanah saham since banks won't open for you
Go to asnb branches and open.

After that, the other question you will be asking, how is the dividend calculated?
It's based on the lowest amount of the month. Best time to topup is on the 1st of every month. If you can't make it on the 1st, the other best time is on the last few days of the previous month.

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post Dec 6 2017, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 6 2017, 11:41 AM)
I have an enquiry. Assume I buy AS1M already rm5k in jan18. Then I withdraw all 4.9k on jun18. Then I buy ASW on jun18 also. Will I lose out jun18 dividend for AS1m? And when I withdraw , interest for jan18-jun18 will be credited pro rate for me or not?
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Yes you will lose everything because you didn't keep the min amount (RM100).

If you keep the min amount, yes you will get the dividend from Jan-May. June will be calculated based on lowest amount. Eg. You have RM4.9k from Jan to May and you keep only RM100 inside, for the month of June, only RM100 will be counted.

From the month of Jan-may, RM4900 will be counted unless you have less than RM4900 on the 1/1. If that's the case, then lowest amount (Jan) + RM4900 (feb-may) + only RM100 (june)

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post Dec 6 2017, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(chung1412 @ Dec 6 2017, 02:53 PM)
I am non-bumi, so getting ASx is like the best saving plan I can get for the time being.
Is there any way to utilise the payout date in order to maximise the return?
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Yes. Always topup on 1st of every month to maximise returns. If you can't make it on the 1st, try last few days of the previous month.
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post Dec 6 2017, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(drbone @ Dec 6 2017, 10:27 PM)
What if 1st of the month is a public holiday? If let's say I have 100K on 20/12 and I top up on 1/1 another 100K, and since 1/1 is a public holiday, would the interest be calculated based on 200K or 100K?

Without any withdrawals whatsoever of course.
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Rm200k. Happened before. That's why people here know that day is a public holiday, they topup few days before so that they won't miss out on the first of the month (you can't topup on public holiday as there is no transactions happening)
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post Dec 6 2017, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 6 2017, 11:42 PM)
I  think ASNB offfices in certain states are open on 1-Jan.
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1/1 is a public holiday tongue.gif
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post Dec 7 2017, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 6 2017, 11:40 PM)
Bro how u can get so much money?
How old r u ?
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Bro you don't ask that kind of question here. Besides RN200k is nothing to most people here. You haven't seen nothing yet.

How to get so much money?
1) save >50% of your money
- don't fall prey to lifestyle inflation (which means as your earnings increases, your spending also increases). Your spending should remain the same even if you have increase in earnings.
- find ways to make or save money
buy things online and use cash back credit cards as you can save more + input in discount code to bring the price down lower than buying from regular store. The right card will give you rm600/year free money.
- avoid yearly apple/Samsung purchase + daily Starbucks.
It will help you save a lot and those money can be channelled into investment rather than useless item. This will help you to grow your money faster.
- avoid buying branded cars
car is a depreciating asset. You are taking loan to buy a car which means you are paying more for something which decreases in value the moment it leaves the showroom. Stick with small proton or perodua. Save your petrol cost + you pay lesser per month vs if you buy a Toyota or Honda.
- pay less taxes legally
This will put more money into your pocket. Small amount is also something.
- be brave to take risk by investing
You can't grow your wealth if you stick with FD only.

2) work your way up the corporate ladder.
- big boss are paid big bucks.

3) start your own business

Obviously step 1 is the one most people can do. But it requires high discipline.

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 7 2017, 09:30 AM)
I will try to reduce my expenses . Having car loan and some cc debt. my qualification not very high so if i happen to climb corporate ladder also very slow. But I will try
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That's your problem. When you have cc debts, you are working for the bank as interest can be as high as 18%p.a. Now wouldn't it be better if the bank is working for you? whistling.gif whistling.gif

QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Dec 7 2017, 09:45 AM)
totally agree! lifestyle inflation is the biggest culprit. After counting how much I spend on Starbucks in 2015, I've stayed away since then. All those hipster cafe is also bad enough. In the long run, I'm happier seeing my net worth grow than a 10-minute enjoyment of a RM13 latte. Plus, some local kopi-o is just as awesome
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Good that you discovered this. Many people never know this until it's too late. biggrin.gif
QUOTE(elea88 @ Dec 7 2017, 03:17 PM)
BLURR question.

i started with Amanah Saham Wawasan 2020 early Nov.

the 0.5% per month div . .how it is given? where to check?

if emergency withdraw in December can still get div or just take back capital?

So, that i can plan how much to put into this MYASNB.
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Take 6%/12= 0.5%/month. If you withdraw, make sure to withdraw on the 1st if the month or if not possible, within 1st week of the month.

Remember to keep min RM100-200 inside or else all your previous month dividend burn.

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post Dec 7 2017, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 7 2017, 07:52 PM)
Oh I thought is on the 1/3/18, after midnight 28/2/18 the 5k balance will qualify to get one month dividend or being considered as lowest balance .
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To make it simple just keep in mind that all calculations are based on lowest amount of the month.

QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 7 2017, 07:54 PM)
If shift fund, u mean forfeit one month dividend in ASIM and get ASW dividend for like few months and compound interest faster in ASW ?
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No point shifting funds as all of them right now gone only 6%.
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post Dec 8 2017, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 7 2017, 07:54 PM)
If shift fund, u mean forfeit one month dividend in ASIM and get ASW dividend for like few months and compound interest faster in ASW ?
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No need to shift funds here and there as all give same results. Yes. If you don't do the switch on the first of the month, you will lose out 1 month of dividend.

To do switching, you need to do over the counter as you can't do online.

QUOTE(popice2u @ Dec 8 2017, 05:48 AM)
i have substantial unit in ASG. Wanted to dispose all yesterday to buy wawasan but the cimb agent say pendidikan ASG returns is higher 5 yr 23.57%. some more say dividen payout is next mth and wawasan is til 2020 only. i tak jadi sell ASG
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Hahaha... You kena conned already. ASG returns average from what you said = 4.714%p.a

A very poor performance. Dividend in variable fund is not important as it's left pocket masuk right pocket. Don't continue get conned by them. Do your switch to fixed price fund ASAP.
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post Dec 8 2017, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 8 2017, 11:24 AM)
Ramjade nexona88 care to share your opinion on ASG?
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KGF beats it hands down
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post Dec 8 2017, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 8 2017, 11:39 AM)
Not this. Evonne2016 was saying those ASG units she redeemed in Nov 2017 will still earn dividend for the period of April-Oct2017 when dividend is paid out on April2018. This only works for fixed priced ASx.
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If you keep some units inside, you will get dividend. But not sure if they count dividend from last holding S or current holdings.

For me, I withdraw all so no dividend for me.
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post Dec 9 2017, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Dec 8 2017, 01:30 PM)
redeemed in this context means? sweat.gif
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Redeem = withdraw
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post Dec 13 2017, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Dec 13 2017, 08:26 PM)
My parent did talk about importance of savings but I fell into the YOLO trap for some time. I think it's a generation trend. Everyone wants a latte over kopi-o and eat in cafes over kopitiam.
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Glad I never fall into any YOLO trap. Steady since my school days. Rich dad, poor dad and Gen-X was my mentor.

QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 13 2017, 08:21 PM)
I'm 29 this year with 5k saving.is it too late. Not bankrupt yet.
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It's never too late. Everyone starts small.
The sleeping devil is a blogger who is fresh out from school, not working yet but he's investing every bit he can.

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post Dec 14 2017, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 14 2017, 03:22 PM)
Sir means I'm too late?
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It's too late if you don't start or don't topup. You can topup amanah saham/FSM/stocks. Whatever you want.
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post Dec 17 2017, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Dec 17 2017, 06:14 PM)
I am 25 this year. Only got ASW now and is less than MYR 1k in the account sweat.gif So far, I have not YOLO well.. got
YOLO a bit lah but not excessive haha.

Maybe due to my puny salary, I am having hard time trying to get extra to throw in to ASNB. I am surprised to see many people here able to throw in until 6 figures. Like the post above, 29 years old only but got 6 figures in ASBN yet he was YOLO-ing when he was 23-25 (my current age) .

Sometime I wonder how can I increase my income to achieve such extraordinary figure. For me 6 figures of saving is extraordinary.. hopefully sifu-sifu can provide some insight for me. notworthy.gif
Where you managed to open the other 2 acc? smile.gif
This 1 is the one government announced in budget 20178 for indians only?
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That's because they keep until few years already. If you can put in RM10 a month, that's RM12k/year which is = RM720/year free money.

Now, how to get more money?
- cut down on your wants. Eg. of wants
Movies, Spotify, Netflix, iFlix, Starbucks, mcd , pizza, beers, that brand new phone, that smart watch.
- cut back on expenses
Streamyx/unifi, - who needs that when both digi and umobile offering cheaper unlimited packages? aircon and astro is a luxury.
- get the cheapest car
You don't need a Honda or Toyota. Just choose Asia or bezza
- use credit card wisely
With the right cards and discipline, banks will be working for you instead of you working for the banks
- choose between FD or amanah saham
Unless you are loaded, you can only pick one to get the best rate. I choose amanah saham over FD. Hence I moved all my FD into amanah saham.

Keep that up for 5 years, already > RM60k

These are some of the examples I stretch my RM.

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 17 2017, 07:41 PM)
Your road still long to go. I already old. Going to start by now. So that at least I have some money when i old. My salary not high but I don't know why I always not enough to use
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29 years old? doh.gif doh.gif

Simple.Just list out the stuff which is a want which you don't need and remove them. Channel your savings from cutting those into investment.
- astro, unifi, aircon, newspaper, Spotify, movies, KFC, mcd, Starbucks, too much insurance, new phone every year or 2 years, makan at restaurants, branded clothes (get bundled or pasar malam clothes)

Above are some items where your money will leak out too. Plug those leaks, and you will have more money.

Let's not forget about lifestyle inflation where most people fall into. As salary increases, expenses also increases. It should be as salary increases, savings increases.

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Dec 17 2017, 08:03 PM)
lifestyle got tax relief up to rm2500  biggrin.gif . don't give away free money eh.
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True. But don't need to maximise it if you cannot reach it. If you can reach it, don't over exceed that limit.
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post Dec 17 2017, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(Trulyasia@ @ Dec 17 2017, 08:07 PM)
Bundle clothes is what?do u go oversea every year? What u think on this
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Bundle clothes = 2nd hand imported clothes which looks and feel like new. Just wash with clorox will be as good as new. One baju rm1. Branded.

Of course not. I choose to put aside my salary for investing rather than spending it in travel. Back when I am student, >50% of my allowance is dump into amanah saham. Only just recently I have stopped putting into amanah saham. This is where if you travel you don't have money to invest. You need choose.That's where you need to sacrifice something to gain something. Nothing is free. You can't have both if you wish to be have a fat bank account.

Let me share a quote a rich man once blogged about
Air Asia is making younger generations poorer without them knowing. Even if ticket is cheap, hotel, food and expenses all add up.

One year RM2000 for travelling. 5 years already RM10K and in 5 years your money could be more than RM10K if you just dump in RM2k/year into amanah saham. Those money used for travelling can be used to grow your wealth faster.

Consider this, you have RM2k/year which you can use up for travelling or put that RM2k into amanah saham. You can't have both. By putting into amanah saham, you are assured of min RM120/year free money which to many is considered little. But little over time makes lots of difference. You need to choose. Choose to travel the world with lighter bank account now or choose to travel the world later with big fat account. Your choice. I know what I want.

QUOTE(veera77 @ Dec 17 2017, 08:11 PM)
From my experience during my age 20-30s...the main killer is CREDIT CARD and PERSONAL LOAN..

I was in this trap till age 34...only manage to clear both at 35, and after that my cash flow and saving changed tremendously
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Never fear credit cards. Learn to make them work for you and not the other way around.

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post Dec 17 2017, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Dec 17 2017, 08:54 PM)
rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  well said!

most of the things that cost a big chunk of money are wants not necessities. recently started using cards with cashback and really happy to get at least RM600 cash back a year!
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Now, imagine you pump that cash back into amanah saham and in 10 years time, you have free RM6000+Dividends.drool.gif drool.gif

Banks are practically helping you to topup your amanah sahams. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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