he needs to go back to spore to work lah........he is singaporean.....

like what they do to lawyers......the clp..........

local grads no need to sit........foreign grades all must sit unless admitted to recognised bars elsewhere.........

worst case scenario.......but unlikely to happen..........politically suicide.......

uec is accepted by many unis in commonwealth countries, including uk and oz and yes, nus..........

you are however right, in the sense that there are so many well qualified candidates, they don't have to look at people with unusual pre-u qualifications........

there is a possibility that whatever the present conditions may be, it may change in the future........

and like i said, if you think these 'angmoh' unis will not accept you, what makes you think that with so many well qualified applicants from well known angmoh med schools with postgraduate qualifications, spore will choose to offer you a job..........? conditional registration is dependent on being offered a firm job.......

see the thread http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/276056/+760

you mean ipts.........swasta......

why must it be 'easy'?

that is the way it is supposed to be.........only the best and most suitable should be taken into medical school........

making it 'easy' to get in is the problem with msian medical education........money is more important than ability and quality........

what makes you think i am not 'one of us'.........

can i suggest to all here to learn the art of paragraphing........please....

well, technically, there is also a bridge.......the 2nd link bridge at tuas.......

for 'gov' (in spore, it's called restructured hospitals) doctors, spore pays 1 1/2 to 2 times msia, myr for sgd, which translates to 3-5 times in absolute terms........

from your previous posts, i presume you are doing asasi sains at uitm.......which should feed you directly into sungei buloh........

i am not sure which of the ipts will accept asasi sains.........most do accept matrik.........

if you want um, you jolly well be 4 flat, whatever stream you are in.......

you are very lucky, to have a university dedicated to your race only......even a dedicated medical school.........you should be thankful.......

if you are serious about competing with the rest of the population, you should have done stpm, even matrik, or better still, private pre-u like a-levels and sam.......

the preclinicals is the easiest to 'twin'........it makes little difference whether you have 200 or 250 people in the lecture halls......

the clinicals is the most difficult, as minimum standards set be the respective medical councils makes the clinical places finite, depending on staff and patient strength......

therefore the easiest 'twinning' model is do the preclinicals overseas, and clinicals locally.....the mmc conditions for clinical training locally is very lax.......

only the first private ipts med school ie imu, managed to do the twinning the correct way......

nb......i exclude indonesian twinning, as clinical training standards there are as lax as msia.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 1 2009, 10:23 AM

anybody still in doubt that there are differences in the standards and competency of doctors graduating from different medical schools?.......

and why many 3rd world med schools cannot be recognised by the 1st world countries......?

btw, anyone saw the midnight news on tv last night?......15% of housemans are deemed incompetent, and had to be retained, some for several years.....

something those of us in the profession have known a long time........

msia recognises more than 300 medical schools all over the world, and they are 'trying to identify where these doctors come from and ask these medical schools to buck up'.........

amazing but true........any other country would just de-recognise these med schools.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 1 2009, 09:15 PM

yes you are confusing everybody, but you are confused........

wgy is not taking stpm, she took........

english help seriously needed......

being recognised by the mmc actually says little about the quality of the med school, nor about the competency of the graduates......

see my post above......should come out in the papers tomorrow......

my dear boy, it is very simple........just look at the selection criteria......ie, what minimum pre-u grades is required.......

like in computer programming, rubbish in, rubbish out........

an easier way is to just follow what is recognised in 1st world countries......they have already done their homework for you.......(political bias not withstanding)

search through my posting in this thread, it's all there........

(if you are still blur, like usual, just click on the 'Show posts by this member only' at the top of this post......)

maybe you are NOT doctor material?......

From NST: http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Sat...icle/index_html

KUALA LUMPUR: Some medical universities, both local and overseas, are churning out doctors who cannot carry out common medical procedures, have no proper clinical exposure, cannot communicate effectively and cannot even take down the history of patients properly for diagnosis and treatment.

Senior medical consultants in government hospitals are now saddled with the task of having to retrain these people to ensure they meet the country's standard of medical practice.

Some of these fresh doctors are retained in their houseman training postings for years, some even up to six years, because they cannot meet the standards. The compulsory housemanship is two years.

In view of this problem, the Malaysian Medical Council has issued letters to all heads of department in government hospitals where housemen are posted to open a file on each of them, containing information on the university they graduated from, their performance and shortcomings.

It is learnt that by the end of the year, the MMC and Health Ministry will nail down the sub-standard medical universities and tell them to buck up.

Kuala Lumpur Hospital's Medical Department head, Datuk Dr Jeyaindran Sinnadurai, said housemen come from 300 medical colleges all over the world. These colleges churn out 1,200 doctors a year and this number is expected to increase to almost 2,000 next year.

"When they come back to work in Malaysia we have been forced to extend the period of housemanship from one year to two years in order to ensure the standard of medical practice is maintained in this country for the safety of our patients," he told the New Straits Times.

Dr Jeyaindran handles about 140 housemen a year and he noticed that some 15 per cent of them do not have enough experience to take down the medical history of patients.

"When they are taught to take the history properly and put the findings and various symptoms in a sequential order they can come to a proper diagnosis very rapidly," he said.

However, he added, this was seriously lacking in many new doctors because they have not been trained during their years in clinical exposure. Thus, during their housemanship training programme they needed to be retrained to do this properly.

"Because they have to be retrained, some of their postings are extended," he said.

Dr Jeyaindran has come up with a syllabus where a house officer must have core knowledge and experience before he leaves for his next posting.

"A houseman who comes in for training should be able to manage hypertension, asthma, diabetes and common medical emergencies appropriately based on current clinical practice guidelines, besides acquiring adequate generic skills," he added.

He said some were never taught this properly during their years in medical school and hence they were taught and assessed in a fair and objective manner during their training.

"We want doctors to examine patients properly and not take notes from the nurses' chart.

"We also do not want doctors to be over-dependent on investigative procedures which is time-consuming and expensive.

"One loses the ability to use clinical acumen to make judgment when he becomes too dependent on procedures for a result and diagnosis," said Dr Jeyaindran.

He also expressed great concern that some house officers were not able to perform even the most common procedures such as setting up an intravenous line, central line, and inserting a chest tube.

There have been complaints from patients that there were housemen who cannot even draw blood for a blood test and had to seek the help of nurses.

"Miscommunication with patients can also lead to a lot of problem and this we have encountered with housemen," he said.

"To be a good doctor it is not how much knowledge you have... it is clinical acumen and the skills developed in treating a patient.

"Medicine is not black and white but lots of grey in between and in order to identify the grey areas the only way is the more you see, the more you do, the more you understand," he added.

Dr Jeyaindran said housemen have become something like a production line.

"They come, they take some history of patients and go away.

"They never come back to check whether their diagnosis of the patient was correct or wrong," he added.

you need physics for engineering......except for chemical, where the requisite is chemistry......

if you do get 4.0, you should be able to get into one of the ipta.......if it is a high 3 (eg 3.9) don't try for um or ukm, put ums or unimas as 1st choice, and you have a good chance to get in......

if you really score 4.0 at stpm, you are better qualified to enter medicine than >1/2 of those in med schools now........they get in with less result and more money.......

yes.......make it first choice........they will look at people who place them as first choice first........they are more likely to offer people with 3.8 who chooses them first, rather than a 4.0 placing them at 5th choice.......

no........meritocracy encourages competition, and prevents complacency.....

no........fallacious thinking, but widely promoted by some politicians to justify unjustifiable policies....

this thread is becoming kopitiam.....