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limeuu
post Dec 10 2008, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(zltan @ Dec 9 2008, 10:50 PM)
There will still be 2 more intakes - Feb '09 and Feb '10, which means that those who entered IMU in 07' and 08' will still be able to twin with Melbourne.

Melbourne's medical course will change into M.D in 2011, and I heard its going to be 1 year in uni and 3 years clinicals.
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that is not correct based on my knowledge......links please....

my understanding is, Feb 08/graduate Nov13 (08/13) was the last undergraduate intake......there will be NO intake in 09 and 10......then the next intake is graduate entry Feb11 (batch 11/14)......thus there is NO break in graduating classes, just a 2 years intake gap to bridge the 6 and 4 years undergraduate and postgraduate programmes respectively........

effectively, this means the last 2 imu batches that can still feed into melb u undergraduate programme are the me01/08 and me02/08 (joining year 4 in 2011).........there is no indication from imu what happens from the next batch (me01/09)..........
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post Dec 15 2008, 05:03 PM

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taiko, spam in your own threads, not enough, now want to ask the same questions here.....
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post Dec 18 2008, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(hypermax @ Dec 18 2008, 03:35 PM)
You can try for PMC, it's relatively easier to enter. Also, facilities in Ireland are very very good.

As for MMMC, in the 21st batch (recent intake), only 8 self funded students. Therefore, it's harder.

BTW, be careful when asking such question in this thread. Some people here strongly disagree with people getting less than TER 95 entering medicine. If you are unlucky, you will most probably be bombarded.
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agree........at least 90 lah........

we have gone through this many times already....... biggrin.gif


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post Jan 1 2009, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(zzzzx @ Jan 1 2009, 07:42 PM)
Hi, I have been wondering, is Monash Malaysia a good uni for medicine? Do they offer quality education?
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nobody knows, as they have not even produced any doctors yet.....1st batch will only graduate end of this year........
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post Jan 2 2009, 07:08 AM

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QUOTE(Visualize @ Jan 2 2009, 02:29 AM)
I see.. But the fees are comparable with Monash.
Monash-around 500k
PMC- around 550k

In terms of quality, I wonder which is better. Are you planning to enrol in Monash?
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monash fees is lower, at 40k/semester = 400k over 5 years........it is wholly conducted locally, and is thus the most expensive local medical programme..........pmc programme requires the 1st 2 years to be done in ireland........

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post Jan 2 2009, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 2 2009, 11:17 AM)
With Sterling Pound at RM5, you should seriously consider doing the degree in UK because it will only cost about RM100K more over 5 yrs.
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there is some serious flaws in the maths here........rm100k/5 years is 20k/year.........even the cheapest ipts med school here (aimst) charges more than that........ blink.gif

most uk med school fees only are about pounds sterling 20k/year....
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post Jan 2 2009, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 2 2009, 01:19 PM)
I reckon with everything in, study in one of the cheaper UK university is about RM600+K whereas in Monash Malaysia would be RM500+K for the entire 5 yrs course. Hence the "RM100K more" calculation.
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my bad, i missed the 'more'........ biggrin.gif

no, monash fees is 400k over 5 years.......

remember there is significantly more cost in living expenses in uk, and factor in the airfares once or twice a year over 5 years........
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post Jan 2 2009, 03:14 PM

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a quick google reveals leed's med school fees as pounds 13,300 for the 1st 2 years, and 24,500 for the next 3 years, making a total 100,100 pounds.........at current exchange rate, it works out to rm520k.........

frugal living cost would be about 6k/year making a total of 30k pounds or rm160k..........

minimal total cost, assuming the pound does not rebound back to it's previous levels (or the rm sinks) is rm680k........not counting airfares......

one can live quite comfortably in kl/jb for rm15k/year......so total fees and living cost would be rm475k.........

not as close as one thinks.........
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post Jan 2 2009, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 2 2009, 03:36 PM)
Leeds total tuition + living comes to RM620K.

I know for certain you can get by with GBP4K/yr or 20K/5yr or RMRM100K/5yr in Leeds because it's the cheapest in UK and if you are careful with money. Of course if you wanted to go to London's Imperial College or go to pub every night, then this budget flies out of the window.

And mind you, Monash fees increases every year unlike Leeds which are fixed upon 1st entry.

http://www.rbs.co.uk/content/personal/curr...iving_Index.pdf


Added on January 2, 2009, 3:50 pm

My own calculation comes to:
5 yrs tuition fee (including annual increase) RM460K
5 yrs living expenses RM90K
Total RM550K.

Excluding London. UK ranges from RM620K to RM750K depending on which uni you go to. All courtesy of the falling Sterling Pound.

In other word, doing the cost in UK is only about RM70K to RM200K more than MM.
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i think you need to relook at the figures........the rbs article is based on part time work covering part of the cost, ie net outlay after taking into account term time part time work.......it is not possible for a medical student to do any significant part time work.......certainly not in the clinical years......

if you look at the average expenses, it already comes to 130+73 (living +rent) ie 200 pounds a week......ie 10k pounds a year..........

if you take the cheapest of the two figures from 2 different cities, it's still 150 pounds a week, or 7.5k a year........


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post Jan 2 2009, 04:51 PM

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Added on January 2, 2009, 4:20 pm

I think one can indeed be proud to be in Monash when you compared it with the other private uni offering medicine. I heard their admission requirement is the strictest.

I reckon the biggest advantage would be being recognized by the Australian medical council.
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that is indeed the case, they have the tightest admission criteria and processing of all the ipts med schools......

however the amc recognition does not mean the same thing as what many people thinks.......it does NOT confer automatic rights to work in oz.........

amc recognition means you can be registered to potentially work in oz.......

but it does NOT mean you can actually go work there.......that right to work is the function of another department, that of immigration.........and you will thus be subject to the same rules as any one else who want to work there, you need to get a pr, or one of the myriad work or 'bridging' visas currently available.........

it would be interesting to see what happens when the 1st batch graduates end of this year.......
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post Jan 2 2009, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(wgy589 @ Jan 2 2009, 06:30 PM)
walao eh, now Leeds only RM 620K? compared to roughly RM 1M when I finished my pre-U last time. I think it's now the best time to go UK or US medskols, whether thru IMU or go straight.
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not really, unless you have the money upfront and transfer them over now at current rates....

the sterling has dropped vis-a-vis the rm by a quarter from 7 to 5.1 currently.....but it may not stay there for long.......

i think the estimate of rm620k is a bit on the optimistic side, a safer estimate would be about rm680k, taking the lower range of living costs estimates of 6k pounds a year as provided by imu (range 6-8k depending on city).......assuming the exchange stays the same, or you buy all your pounds now....

otherwise, if the pound appreciates, or something happens to the rm (like 1998), you will be in trouble......

in that sense, ipts like monash msia is more secure in term of cost estimates.....you are not exposed to currency fluctuations......
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post Jan 7 2009, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Jan 7 2009, 12:34 PM)

Yes as docotr works without any limit of hours compare to the UK's law. Doctors in M'sia have lower wages than engineering (in private sector) and can have terrible day if the patient is in bad mood(most of the time) but I guess everyone going for it as the benefit exceed the cons.

I planning to work in the UKs so I got more time for myself.

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you are very naive to think you can go to any med school in msia, and just walk into uk to work......

even if you manage to get into a uk med school, current labour and immigration laws will mean you can only work the 2 foundation years in uk.........getting a job after that would be an uphill task, and even impossible.........
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post Jan 9 2009, 08:46 AM

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all the information about imu is available in the website, and also flyers freely available when you visit.......

there is no fixed fees, as the actual fees you will eventually need to pay depends on which uni you eventually partner to........

however, the 5 sem in bukit jalil is relatively fixed, currently at about rm29k/sem...........

the MAIN disadvantage of the imu-pms system, is the UNCERTAINTY of where you will eventually end up.........which you will only know late into the end of sem 5..........like said, the matching exercise is shrouded in secrecy, nobody really knows how it is worked out........explanation about ranking and computer matching is just hocus pocus......

like i said elsewhere, getting jobs in uk beyond the foundation years is going to be nigh impossible under current laws.......

and finally, i cringe whenever i see people say 'i plan to study medicine in xx or yy uni in zz year'........you don't select the med school, they will select you.......and although the entry cutoff is very low for imu (even lower for pmc), no one can say he will qualify until he gets his results.......

humility is a virtue.........
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post Jan 9 2009, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Jan 9 2009, 11:50 AM)
OH so you mean twinning is not guaranteed. Well this is one gamble I could take after finish up NS in Spore. Maybe I could work in Malaysia if I could not get a twinning.
But what your guess on percentage of student getting either UKs or Australia rather than staying up in Bukit Jalil(its possible *NOT* to go to twinning), Indon or India?
Well, I do sound cocky, but I just quoted some teacher,lecturer, and motivational speaker that come to or school 5 times a year since Form 1. They just kept repeating it over and over again...

Is IMU building really bad?..
Nah, I think about working in Spore or Msia as I can't get away from our Nasi Lemak and Roti Canai.
So if the fee is fix , is there chance that the whole 5 year including maybe a twinning in Australia cost below 450k?

Anyway,I just started reading Davidson's Principles and Practice of Medicine(its dang thick), but do I suppose to read anatomy fist? My dad got quite a few book on medicine here. Hopefully got some understanding of it by next year.
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i think you have not understood at all what we have been saying, and the facts about the 2 streams of medical programme imu offers........these facts are all available on the imu website.......it is not that hard to understand........really.......

i just told you the fees depends on which twinned med school one goes to, and NOT fixed........

i would advise against blindly reading your father's medical books........serves no purpose....
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post Jan 9 2009, 02:39 PM

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guaranteed?........i don't think so.......uq requirement is that the student must poccess a prior degree before entering the medical programme, as it is a graduate entry programme......could be any degree......

and it could be 2 or 3 years depending on how well you do in the phase 1.......

nevertheless, i wonder how many people actually twin to uq......they have 12 slots/batch.......the highest number of any partner oz uni.......
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post Jan 9 2009, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(OmniAtlas @ Jan 9 2009, 05:36 PM)
Heres the deal with queensland -- if you already have a degree, you can do 2 1/2 years at IMU, then jump straight to the clinical years -- so its 2.5 + 2 years = 4.5 years total

If you don't previously have a degree, you have to do 2 1/2 years at IMU, apply for the B Med Sci. program (1 extra year at IMU) and then enter into the 2 year Queensland clinical program -- so its 2.5 + 1 + 2 = 5.5 years total

You are right that there are only about ~12 slots / batch -- and it is quite competitive so those that get selected for the B Med program are quite intelligence.

Guaranteed is in as long as you don't fail, then you'll get in, but that is highly unlikely -- I don't think there have been any IMU students rejected as of yet.
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only? that's the biggest of all oz unis.....

unsw, utas, newcastle has only 3 slots each.......
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post Jan 9 2009, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(OmniAtlas @ Jan 9 2009, 10:36 PM)
"only" as in the space is limited in respect to the number of IMU students who apply for the B Med Sci program. Leeds University for example, only has one slot, but its not very competitive (not many people put it down as their first choice school). Where as places like Melbourne and Edinburgh have ~ 5 spots each and are *extremely* competitive.
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you mean there are a lot of people wanting to go through the b med sc programme after the 2 1/2 years phase 1?

btw, leeds has 2 slots and melbourne 6 slots.......
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post Jan 10 2009, 04:54 PM

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ptptn loans only for msians.......

usmle is only of relevance if you intend to go work in the us..........recognition to register to practise medicine in spore is based on you basic medical degree being recognised by the smc, having usmle step 3 will NOT enable you to work in spore.......
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post Jan 15 2009, 05:25 PM

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based on the letter, monash msia will not be recognised........
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imu system is pbl.......

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