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Tuah_3
post Dec 26 2016, 12:25 AM

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there is no barang elektrik that use 3phase...

if a house use 3phase it will split trough the house... 1phase max 4ac with fride, etc...etc...

i know, my house use 3phase

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post Dec 26 2016, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Dec 25 2016, 10:23 PM)
Take a photo of the meter, see how many cables are going in. 

To tell whether one phase or three phase.
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Please see page 1 but after mechanical engineer will come ketuk you .....say " what's wrong with one phase?"

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post Dec 26 2016, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Xcal @ Dec 25 2016, 09:49 PM)
You do have 3 phase equipment maybe those needing those 400 plus volt eq in factory. But in house if TNB just give single phase means we only have certain Max amount of load depending on the Max current through that single phase. Additional phase is just like adding a parallel load sharing thing. Right?
From tnb website:
Single-phase vs. Three-phase Supply
A single-phase meter measures usage from a 230 volt supply through two (2) wires, while a 3-phase meter measures usage from a 415 volt supply through four (4) wires.

You are advised to change from a single-phase supply to a 3-phase supply when your household electricity load exceeds 10kW or 50A. Generally, you should change to a 3-phase supply if you have three (3) or more air-conditioners in your home.

Upgrading to a 3-phase supply will increase stability and reliability of electricity supply to your premises.
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hmm...that must be a very big house that load exceed 50A

im no electrical engineer but i do a rough calculation. with the label on aircond compressor.

you need to run like duno how many aircond it only exceed 50A. base on 2HP AC
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post Dec 26 2016, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(Johannlo @ Dec 25 2016, 10:34 PM)
my friend house run 4 (2 2hp 2 1hp) on a single phase with almost 24/7 operation. the whole DB box on fire.
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means his DB box there all those circuit breakers thing isn't rated for that high load

in constant high load that exceed the capability of the switch/breaker creates heat.

thats what happen to my house.

2nd it have nothing to do with single phase.
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post Dec 26 2016, 10:17 AM

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I got all 5 start same time no trip
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post Dec 26 2016, 10:18 AM

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1 phase 63 Amp is more than enough


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post Dec 26 2016, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Dec 26 2016, 09:49 AM)
Please see page 1 but after mechanical engineer will come ketuk you .....say " what's wrong with one phase?"
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Let anyone come ketuk lah.


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post Dec 26 2016, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Dec 26 2016, 10:10 AM)
you need to run like duno how many aircond it only exceed 50A. base on 2HP AC

easy to exceed for induction stove user. Example this 3zone hob consumes 32a peak.

http://www.hoekee.com.sg/p-1659-3zoneinduc...hobti1028b.html
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post Dec 26 2016, 12:39 PM

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post Dec 26 2016, 12:42 PM

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Single phase 100amp can easily support 4 AC

But got money better over kill it with 3 phase since we do not know your actual usage or intended HP of AC
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post Dec 26 2016, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 26 2016, 12:39 PM)
easy to exceed for induction stove user. Example this 3zone hob consumes 32a peak.

http://www.hoekee.com.sg/p-1659-3zoneinduc...hobti1028b.html
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rite...now you are findding ways to exceed it

QUOTE(TheModerator @ Dec 26 2016, 12:42 PM)
Single phase 100amp can easily support 4 AC

But got money better over kill it with 3 phase since we do not know your actual usage or intended HP of AC
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isn't normal household single phase is about 63amps?

just have a check on my house safety switch and is rated 63amps
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post Dec 26 2016, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(hcmalaya @ Dec 26 2016, 10:17 AM)
I got all 5 start same time no trip
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my record were

2 x 1.5hp and 2 x 1hp running at the same time + on heater for 15minutes.

plus some gadget charging and my desktop
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post Dec 26 2016, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(LaiN87 @ Dec 25 2016, 08:08 PM)
It will not trip la. Especially if you have those inverter air cons.

Aircon take a lot of power during startup. Those old days aircon they will start stop often. Unless all your 4 air con starts at the same exact time then it might have issue. Just make sure the surge will not exceed the MCB rating lo. Don't fall for the bullshit that we need to change to 3 ph. They just milking money.
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eh bro, what's the different between 3 phase and single phase?
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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Dec 26 2016, 12:44 PM)
rite...now you are findding ways to exceed it
isn't normal household single phase is about 63amps?

just have a check on my house safety switch and is rated 63amps
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Yeah, usual is single phase 60amp

But now got single phase 100amp

Mine is 100amp, single phase.

AC 6 biji all ok.
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post Dec 26 2016, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(darien99 @ Dec 25 2016, 07:42 PM)
currently using 3 units at home, plan to install another unit, will tripping the circuit breaker anot? anyone  icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(darien99 @ Dec 25 2016, 09:03 PM)
living hall one is 1.5hp, my room 1hp, another room 1.5hp, plan to get another 2hp aircond, normally 2~3 units at the same time, but if got relatives come, will on 4 units at the same time  hmm.gif
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breakdown assuming using Acson aircond (the booklet just beside me).

1HP = running Amp = 4A
1.5HP = running Amp = 6A
2 HP = running Amp = 10A

total aircond running Current = 26A.

if you factor in fridge, cooker, iron, water heater confirm around 15A. very high possibility will trip if you currently on 40A main breaker

Your breaker size if 40A, then recommended to change to 3 phase 400V. (overall cost confirm more than 3k cause you need to change the whole incoming wiring and pay expensive fee to TNB for upgrading)

NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHANGE TO 60A Single phase breaker unless you double cheek the cable size is sufficient. ( I know some contractor especially aircond will ask you do like this but better not to take the risk)

If your breaker is currently using 60A SP. then should be sufficient

total 6HP =5kW

QUOTE(dapfanbodo @ Dec 25 2016, 08:54 PM)
You install 3phase electric when you need 3phase power equipment not because you need to increase max load of electrical appliances.

Don't simply teach if you donno.
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3 phase 60A and 1 Phase 60A have big difference bro

3 Phase 60A can take in at least double the electrical load

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post Dec 26 2016, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Dec 26 2016, 12:44 PM)
rite...now you are findding ways to exceed it
isn't normal household single phase is about 63amps?

just have a check on my house safety switch and is rated 63amps
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depends. some use 40Amp breaker.

those using 100A single phase breaker is bull shit. TNB where got 100A SP Meter? Max they give you is 60A SP meter only. 3 phase 100 CT meter got la
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Dec 25 2016, 08:36 PM)
whats wrong with 1 phase? do you know how many amps can pass thro that box?
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This.



Only bungalow/semi D need 3 phase for future proof.
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post Dec 26 2016, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Dec 26 2016, 12:39 PM)
easy to exceed for induction stove user. Example this 3zone hob consumes 32a peak.

http://www.hoekee.com.sg/p-1659-3zoneinduc...hobti1028b.html
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Impressive 3 stove switched on at the same time.
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post Dec 26 2016, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Dec 25 2016, 08:36 PM)
whats wrong with 1 phase? do you know how many amps can pass thro that box?
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careful on that. if TS using 40A breaker size i can confirm GG will trip anytime.

60A should be no problem.
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post Dec 26 2016, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ Dec 25 2016, 10:21 PM)
Circuit breaker can tahan

But cables can or not

Later bakar
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This!

It is the cables that will burn and create fire hazards.

Yes, can support 4 x 2hp aircond but what else is in the house?

It is cheaper to upgrade or get proper electrician to check on the wires and loading then burn the home down.

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