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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V20

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post Jul 8 2019, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Jul 8 2019, 12:55 PM)
Yes can claim back. But you have to pay with your own money first, then only claim from the bank later.
Since EcoSky still fairly new completed, should be not high the outstanding amount.
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Yeah, that’s why people will still dare to take coz the outstanding can’t be that much. Either way you buy auction props you surely will have extra cash ready for this kinda things. To be safe 20% of the prop price, 10% for dp and another 10% to pay for all the other misc stuff.
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post Jul 9 2019, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(mango27 @ Jul 8 2019, 02:06 PM)
any guides i can read up for lelong properties? like can we get pre-approved loan amount from bank before bidding? what else need to fork up other than 10% down-payment, SNP/stamp duties etc?
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Not that much guides online since the agents wants you to use their services.

Loan wise you can always check roughly what’s your loan eligibility based on your salary and credit history wut. There’s no way to check pre approved loan amount for lelong props it’s not like those new launch. As long as you’re eligible for the loan amount the bank is more than happy to approve for lelong props especially if you take from the same bank which is auctioning the property. They really wanna clear the prop.

Apart from DP and lawyer fees etc prepare extra cash to clear off any outstanding arrears (maintenance fees, cukai pintu etc) these arrears can claim back but it’s pay and claim basis from the auctioning bank.
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post Jul 10 2019, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(mango27 @ Jul 10 2019, 01:24 PM)
thanks for the info
thanks... but what will happen if loan dont get approved on time? penalty?
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You must read the terms in the proclamation of sale for the property on the payment terms. Some will allow a month extension on appeal but there will be a penalty/interest charge. Generally most will give you 120 days to get the loan and it’s sufficient time if you keep chasing for the relevant approvals. The bank won’t take that long to disburse your loan. What takes time is clearing all the arrears and getting the approvals from land office etc.
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post Apr 9 2020, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Apr 9 2020, 01:32 PM)
why don't want to listen when ppl advice you back in 2012? And why desperate buying 4 years back? i assume you got it late 2016? Also those 20% cash rebate sounds like a flipper trap. I'm talking about buying something worth the price which i usually got them only through subsale not from developer.

Until today out of the 5 unit i bought only 1 was from developer. I'm only holding 3 at the moment.
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You’re right but he also has a point coz I know quite a few sohais who fall for the rebate trap. Plus during the property peak time back in 2015-2016, a lot of these idiots go for those courses offered by those so called property investment guru who teach you how to own multiple properties without any/much capital. So these group of sohais la are those who will give others good auction opportunities soon.
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post Apr 11 2020, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(mrao @ Apr 9 2020, 02:45 PM)
So is it a good time to go into property?
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Rather than waiting for a good time, better you spend the time looking for good deals.


QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 9 2020, 08:14 PM)
In 6-9 months time, the prop market will fall. no way it will increase during this time.

people are losing jobs, pay cut. i dont see people buying prop during this time unless got discounts and this means price decrease
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It will be 9-12 months time to be exact, moratorium is for 6 months, don’t forget.

QUOTE(AhBoy~~ @ Apr 10 2020, 03:02 PM)
some youtuber say property market will not fall but price will increase some more ler because of 6 months moratorium  biggrin.gif
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He’s really trying hard to use reverse psychology there.
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post Apr 12 2020, 03:52 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Apr 12 2020, 03:45 AM)
Still got property expert say propeety price will go up?

Now already crashed 20% .. mine crashed 15%..

The prop market expected to reach equilibrium ard 30 % crash or more..
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Not in the near future but yeah property “experts” will always try to convince you otherwise.

In terms of price drop it really depends on location, those super prime areas won’t reach 30% imo. Maybe those other places will especially with the current situation.

Personally for me I just look for good deals, be it subsale or auction and just buy and hold first.
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post Apr 25 2020, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(forever1979 @ Apr 25 2020, 07:11 PM)
cant do much. much are loan deferment...

wrong move that this backdoor going to help M40.

bullet are limited and shall focus to help SME with the hope to keep the jobs
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That right there is the problem, how much do we trust our SME to keep the jobs after they get help from the govt instead of just using the help to lessen their burden but still lay off people. Even if you set rules that they can’t lay off after getting help, what’s to stop them from taking the help the still closing and reopening once situation gets better?
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post Apr 25 2020, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 25 2020, 07:21 PM)
The worst is zombie companies took big portion of the grant.
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Oh ya, this is Malaysia, this is something highly likely to happen as well.
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post Apr 25 2020, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(forever1979 @ Apr 25 2020, 07:25 PM)
true.

but how about set up a fund, which will be channel directly to the staff of those companies that closed down or laid off staff.
i read many factory in northern region and hotel closing down for good

those are people needed help more than M40...

anyway, no point discuss as backdoor gomen sure have their agenda to make decision.
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No need for a fund, there’s already EIS, we just need to lessen the red tapes involved in applying and approving the applications.


QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 25 2020, 07:27 PM)
Believe it is more productive and important to have conducive business environment e.g cutting down red tapes, lowering cost of doing business, etc than temporary relief.

Facing competition from China, our country have no choice but to change and be more competitive else the recession will prolong.
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Agreed on this but reality is our cost of business definitely can’t go below China for obvious reasons.

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 25 2020, 07:58 PM)
Economic recession, downsizing, retrenchment, pay cut, etc are inevitable. The million dollar questions is how to reverse the downtrend.
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It really depends on what we want to focus on moving forward, until now Malaysia is still too dependent on oil. We’re also lacking resources to be a real big producer country. Perhaps focusing on making malaysia as a hub would be better? I’m like how SG is a financial hub, we could look into something similar but maybe more on a service hub instead, we do have the advantage of being multiracial and multilingual compared to a lot of our neighbors.
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post Apr 30 2020, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Apr 27 2020, 08:17 PM)
so....500sqft studio KL RM120k got?
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Be realistic la, slightly below 200k in KL is possible tho but it would be at shitty areas like around batu caves/selayang/gombak la.

QUOTE(jassicaskylpm @ Apr 27 2020, 08:38 PM)
Oh Sorry my statement , Not greed , but pessimistic about property or the economy , it’s totally different,

I just hate people spread pessimistic in young people society

Prove me the claims then , how many in one area ? 2 or 4 ? 20 units ? Out of 200,000 , 1,000,000 or 2,000,000 existing houses in one area?? Oh my God, that’s a lot  !!! 


Which area are sold 800k then still selling 800k now after 3 years or 5 years , I wan see JPPH Jabatan report not Iproperty ones  hmm.gif
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Wrong timing to make this statement, 3-5 years ago was the peak, now the curve already went down. A lot of props now is selling cheaper than 3-5 years ago prices.

QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Apr 30 2020, 06:24 PM)
No property that cannot rent out
The issue only what the rental rate
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And who you rent to

QUOTE(party @ Apr 30 2020, 08:46 PM)
Provided his rice bowl still soild. And 6mths is just a guess. It might even stretch to 9 -12mths before it shows result. At that time, the sharks might make more preparations than ppl.

Also no gerenti that the area he vie will drop.

Just take bbw as example. For years he took the advise of ppl telling him will DDD and what happen?
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BBW sohai give in to pressure and bought the peak at god forsaken place.

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post Jun 18 2020, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jun 18 2020, 10:29 AM)
Always be wary of people who tell you "properties are an investment". How can a bunch of brick and mortar appreciate in price? Just call it what it is, speculation. Those who tell you otherwise are ignorant or are liars.
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Properties are an investment, provided you buy it at the right location for the right price. Similar to any other investments.

QUOTE(etan26 @ Jun 18 2020, 02:45 PM)
My first house bought at RM68k, sold off at RM180k, second house bought at RM330k and off at RM740k.
So you called me a liar . . . . .lol.
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Ini semua tahun bila mia cerita? Triple and double means most likely you bought it 10 years ago.
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post Jun 18 2020, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(etan26 @ Jun 18 2020, 04:21 PM)
I was replying to this statement "How can a bunch of brick and mortar appreciate in price?"
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Ah alright, itu magaman normal la. His brain a bit fried 1.
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post Jun 18 2020, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Jun 6 2020, 08:03 PM)
which development showroom?
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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Jun 6 2020, 08:09 PM)
can't disclose. i was told police visited the showroom later. some visitors made reports.
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QUOTE(anangryorc @ Jun 6 2020, 09:30 PM)
Tipu 1 la, most probably ppl queueing up at shopping mall
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Not surprised to see people queueing at those property showrooms because the trick these developers use to lure people. Usually they will say something like early bird first 100 units get this and that freebies or special price. Then people come already they will say early bird finish la, promo units finish la and try to convince people to buy at actual price. That’s why people complain when going to these things.

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 18 2020, 10:05 AM)
Sleepless nights – that would best describe the mental state of Alex, a property investor, these past few months. He had been optimistic about three years ago when he bought several properties on the advice of a “property guru”. Property prices will go up, you can enjoy bulk discounts and benefit from the rebates now, he was told. He was assured of great options for short or long-term rent to cover the mortgage, plus a lot of cash in hand. 

The good days have come to an end and the promises have turned into a nightmare. With the current economic situation, what will it mean for Alex and his family if he is unable to service his mortgages when the six-month moratorium ends in September?

He is but one of many individuals going through such a situation.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/cove...-under-pressure
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Someone should really make some laws to charge these scammer property gurus.
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post Jun 18 2020, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jun 18 2020, 09:35 PM)
That's not the right logic. In that case, you might want to consider gambling in Genting an investment.
What you had just described is the definition of speculation. Investment is something where the value (not the price) of what you invested in increases. E.g. you buy shares in company, company performs well, it reflects on your share price. Bricks and mortar themselves not increase in price, because they do not gain value.
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You must be dreaming if you think shares are not based on speculation. How can you guarantee 100% that the company shares you bought will perform well? It’s still based on speculation. Likewise for property you buy based on the development potential of the area. It’s the same thing, what increases is not the brick and mortar but the value of the location.
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post Aug 9 2020, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Aug 9 2020, 08:28 PM)
I hope that more people see this post and dont chase high in auctions.
Dont be misleaded by auction gurus to keep the bidding high. And dont naively believe in negative gearing.

Buy only when the units can give you a rental yield (after minus maintenance fee) higher than + loan interest rate + FD rate (lost of opportunity cost) + 2% minimum safety margin to account for OPR rise later

E.g. Property auction price 400k, after lawyer fee, stamp duty, MOT = 450k
Rent = 2000 per month *12
Maintenance fee = 500 per month *12
Loan interest 3%
FD rate 1.75%
Minimum Safety margin = 2%

(2000 - 500)*12/450k = 4% - 3% - 1.75% - 2% = -ve

To determine the maximum property price that is OK (still not a good deal because we have not include possible repair/rennovation/refurbish fee), but at least still OK to buy
(2000 - 500)*12/(Loan interest + FD rate + minimum safety margin) = 267k
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In summary just don’t buy auction lorr if u say like this, 267k to buy a prop that can rent out for 2k a month, where u gonna find such deals?
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post Aug 9 2020, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Aug 9 2020, 08:36 PM)
To me personally is not to buy any property if you cant find such a deal (which is almost impossible for now), just continue renting for now. Dont FOMO (If no one buys, the market will be able to enter the correction needed unless rental is raised with increased in minimum wages). Just look at the NAPIC data, supply is still much larger than demand.

In an article published this month, I remember it stated that some states' supply is 6x the demand. There is really no need to panic buy right now. Dont be so quick to catch the falling knife.
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If you expect to get such deals, just wait until forever la. You go count loss of fd rate summore. Be realistic la, you can get a unit which the loan repayment + maintenance can be covered by the rental good enough already. You’re basically getting the prop just for the deposit and you still have ownership which you can sell the prop later on. This kinda mentality will just cause you to rent forever.
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post Aug 12 2020, 11:16 AM

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Aiyo until now still argue, fact is property prices downtrend will continue at least until end 2021/early 2020. This is an unavoidable and undeniable fact.

However, for those DDD that think prices will CRASH...you can wait long long la. Prices will not drop to pre 2009 prices. Most likely we will see 20-30% drop from peak prices during 2016-2017 on average. Less desirable or areas with longs of overhang units like cyberjaya, semonyet, “KL south” etc might see drop up to 50% (not including landed yea...landed I think should be up to 30%).

Landed in KL and other hot areas like certain parts of damansara, kepong etc max also drop by 20%.
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post Aug 27 2020, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Aug 24 2020, 07:07 PM)
Buy now ....best time n best price
Price will uuuu to new level after covid wave
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Buy now if got good deals only, personally I think there’s gonna be more deals after moratorium is over. So year end and Q1 2021 is the best time. Covid will still be around at least until mid next year, it will take time for the vaccine to be approved.
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post Jun 15 2021, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(jamilselamat @ Jun 8 2021, 03:54 PM)
Finally the bubble will pop.

Fuck all y'all speculators who made so much noise whenever government tries to put legislation to control prices.

"Let the market decide", you said. Dont go crying to government for aid or bailout now when you have been enriching yourselves at everyone else's expense for decades.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but most of the speculators already made their money and are only holding properties that they can still maintain. The ones dying are mostly the waterfish stretched out buyers who got conned by all those property guru who teach them to win multiple properties with zero/minimal capital.


QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jun 10 2021, 09:55 AM)
So when is the best time to buy ? Now consider good time?
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He still won’t buy, rent FTW 😂😂
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post Jun 16 2021, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(JimbeamofNRT @ Jun 16 2021, 02:52 AM)
this one surely gonna kana soon ...
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Already happening mate, most of the auction units nowadays are from these people. I would say at least 70% of the condos being auctioned belongs to this group.

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