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 FundSuperMart v17 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post Jan 19 2017, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Jan 19 2017, 02:33 PM)
the more pressing issue is it kinda go against the rule to only invest what you have extra, not what you borrow. people got themselves in trouble cos of this. borrow money to invest and then everything go south. making losses + pay the loan.
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Provided you can support your loan, you have the extra cash to pay off in case of anything, just to take advantage of the low interest rate (if you can even find one), and invest on the instrument that you researched and understand the risk then place during promotional SC period, I don't see why you can't laugh.gif

Of course one should be diligent in considering all factors before even taking up this opportunity laugh.gif
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post Jan 19 2017, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Jan 19 2017, 02:46 PM)
agree to all that. personally being a low risk guy, i wont' take additional risks for something like this.
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If I am given that kind of low interest loan money, I would take advantage of it biggrin.gif

Problem is, where to find such goodies? laugh.gif

Prehaps the99percent1 who originally mention this got lobang? brows.gif can share? brows.gif
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post Jan 19 2017, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Jan 19 2017, 02:46 PM)
https://www.ambank.com.my/eng/deals-page/BTQCpa

Promo now:

ambank cash advance on Credit Card 1.99% p.a. only.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 19 2017, 02:50 PM)
A special interest rate/ management fee of 1.99% flat per annum (equivalent to effective interest/
management fee rate of 3.65%p.a. – 12 months), 2.99% flat per annum (equivalent to effective interest/
management fee rate of 5.64%p.a. – 24 months) and 5.88% flat per annum (equivalent to effective interest/
management fee rate of 10.87%p.a. – 36 months) will be charged to the Cardholder’s account based on the
amount approved. This is a one time interest/management fee rate and will be calculated upfront on the
principal amount and will be billed over a period of 12, 24 or 36 months instalment as selected.
E.g. for approved QuickCash amount of RM20,000, the monthly instalment is computed as follows: [RM20,000
+ (RM20,000 x 2.99% x 2 year)] / 24 months = RM883.17 per month.

why you no read the terms and conditions??
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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Jan 19 2017, 02:50 PM)
already shared in previous tag to you.

Got many methods too. Take 0% loan also can.. One just needs to be savvy in taking advantage of Credit Cards, Balance Transfer programme or promo.
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If you know where to put, still interesting, but my current salary doesn't allow me to afford such a loan, probably next chance laugh.gif

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 19 2017, 02:51 PM)
btw - that 1.99% isn't effective rate pa right?
it's up front charges?

IF U wanna touch Ambank AND is a new card holder - go for their balance transfer la, 12 months 0%
i just did it tongue.gif
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But balance transfer requires you to already spend that kind of money first, but delaying payment right? tongue.gif

If got free cash direct with low enough effective interest rate and having enough cash and knowledge to deal around, shouldn't be a problem

of course everyone here in forum just advice and opinion, if you lose money due to this investment and loan, none of us is responsible for it whistling.gif
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post Jan 19 2017, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Jan 19 2017, 02:59 PM)
off topic a bit, how much are you paying back for the loan in full then? as in the final amount? they say fixed so is the interest fixed from the amount borrowed till end of the loan? because that would mean you are paying a lot of interest even when your principal goes down. I read an article that explained on their low interest personal loans. sounds better than it actually is.

to make this reply relevant to this thread, how much are you really earning in the end if say 8% per year until you finish your loan. is your returns good?

who can do the math i would be much in debt to.
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Roungly Effective rate = flat rate x 2

So one should evaluate the offer and its own capability before even attempt such things tongue.gif

0% is the best, imo at most the effective rate shouldn't be more than what the FD can offer

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 19 2017, 02:59 PM)
investing money that's not even yours yet to time the market. sounds like a brilliant idea when you do make money but if you don't...kaput.

ebrokers allow you to buy stocks with money that isn't yours first and sometimes x3 to x2 the amount. that's how people get into trouble
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That is why the condition is that you must be able to afford the lost, if you can't, means you dont even analyze your own financial capability to even attempt such, which is the majority's problem.

All in all, if one doesn't have the financial knowledge and initiative to learn and evaluate one's condition and ability to manage himself, even the best strategy will make him/her broke tongue.gif
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post Jan 19 2017, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 19 2017, 03:13 PM)
just to share
eg.
die die every month i have $10K credit card usage as norm for monthly costs
die die i pay off every month
then one month, saw 0% 12 mths balance transfer, $1k+ pm payback
do lor
next month, another card also offer, thus do also lor ($10K +$1k+ above)

now have unused cash $20K+/- lying around
take a small amount, say $4K and go buy a lelong/value investment (assuming one has been tracking & knowing of such)
knowing that by 12 months' time sure got $4k cash saved up based on savings plan/cash flow plan, to cover the investment

good right since ngam ngam got opportunity? who knows 11-12 months later got or not
and if now no opportunities, put in FD lor, still make some ma tongue.gif

just a thought - no sure right/wrong  notworthy.gif
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that is the condition that you have the spending and one to manage the repayment schedule, but the one who mention about this strategy is the one without that kind of spending, just outright take cash, which is different smile.gif

So it is not 100% equivalent to compare both strategy, with one having regular spending seeking to manage its repayment schedule for the advantage, vs another which take extra cash upfront to use tongue.gif
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post Jan 19 2017, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 19 2017, 03:22 PM)
can do that too ma - eg when things like HSBC $15K for 15mths CASH TO YOUR BANK A/C
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yes yes - i'm a heavy debtor..
borrow when not needed
thus can use when needed coz banks usually dont lend when U NEED / WANT it - right or right?  laugh.gif
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got money to pay back without affecting your life and dead and at the same time earn money, sure no problem thumbsup.gif biggrin.gif

however, not a lot of people realize that, they just borrow without evaluating, end up losing money while accumulating lots of debt doh.gif dry.gif

not sure do the original poster know about this before attempting such? tongue.gif
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post Jan 19 2017, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Jan 19 2017, 03:27 PM)
I was dabbling with the thought of margin financing or shared margin, but not in msia/FSM markets. and seems risky.. That one really need to think and also need to expand to overseas investment platforms. Too hard imo.

But I constantly think about this strategy alot. Especially investing long term in ETFs and/or Unit Trusts. I truly believe you can make a nice, tidy sum of money.

Think about it, taking a loan and debt is just withdrawing your future salary, today. You pay it off over-time with interest (or fee), but in return, you get the cash upfront and in your hands today for investment purposes. Instead of waiting years to save up the cash.

And what is the two main rules of stock market investment?
1. invest for a long, long time. &
2. Diversify.

I just need to grow some pair and try it out.  puke.gif
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Just remember to watch out your financial position while attempting this

Many people get addicted in doing this and end up losing lots of money and accumulate debts

Some of my relative even addicted and lose a lot until lelong their collateral and their family suffered after his sudden death

Be wise smile.gif
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post Jan 20 2017, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jan 20 2017, 03:26 PM)
Dear Sifus,

Am I allowed to invest in a particular fund if my Initial Investment does not achieved the Minimum Holding?

Thanks.
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You can make the first investment via RSP minimum investment amount, but that can only be done on 15th of every month
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post Jan 20 2017, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Jan 20 2017, 03:36 PM)
You mean I have to sign up for RSP if my initial investment is the minimum investment amount?

Thanks again.
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yes, just select the funds that can start via RSP, then register it with the monthly amount you want, for more details, read the RSP faqs smile.gif
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post Jan 20 2017, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(tjuin @ Jan 20 2017, 11:01 PM)
Hey guys, i'm new to this and have recently decided to try out FSM. I was just wondering since i just started is there a possibility where i will lost all my money because of some kind of mistake? From what i heard tho, as long as the investment is placed there for long term there will be some gain? confused.gif
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If you have that kind of worries, I suggest you put your money in money market fund or FD first , while you research and understand what you plan to invest and construct a portfolio before attempting to invest.

Blindly follow other suggestion without understanding your option and risk appetite will not do you good
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 22 2017, 03:50 PM)
To be honest I did buy my UT from CIMB clickcs online independently without consulting any of their staff but they still charge me 2.5%
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because cimb clicks, technically, belongs to cimb bank, not cimb principal tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ehwee @ Jan 22 2017, 06:28 PM)
I need some help from you guys about ABERDEEN ISLAMIC ASIA PACIFIC EX JAPAN EQUITY FUND

as there are 2 different type of same aberdeen islamic apac ex-J fund that one has nav price on  - CLASS USD and another one with nav price on  - CLASS MYR

which one is better in middle period investment of 5-10 yrs?
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Actually it depends on the fund's underlying asset currency.

For example ponzi 2.0, which the fund's underlying asset is in USD, when MYR depreciate against USD, the MYR class performance will go bullish and vice versa.

QUOTE(drcumee @ Jan 22 2017, 06:32 PM)
hi to all sifu
first of all i want to say thanks. i have been reading and learning so much. have just started some basic investment in UT via FSM. I got ponzi 2.0. after much reading and pondering. This is the portfolio I have in mind which i would like to execute and would like your kind opinions if I can as I am still very new in this. thank you in advance.

manulife investment us equity fund
KGF
manulife india equity fund
ponzi 2.0 -> i have
cimb principal global titans fund -> i have
libra asnitabond fund -> i have
cimb principal china-india-indonesia equity fund vs cimb greater china equity fund

would really value all opinion, criticisms and suggestions. thank you all!
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replace titan -> manulife US

if you dont believe in malaysia, then libra -> affin select bond

if you believe in indonesia then replace manulife india and cimb china -> cimb china india indonesia
else, take manulife india and cimb china

QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 22 2017, 07:30 PM)
Laugh harder then.
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Is true that manulife and rhb switching fee is a concern but not a major concern

Primary consideration should go to their fund performance and prospect before switching fee comes into consideration

If fund performance no good, even free switching wont do you good

QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 22 2017, 07:56 PM)
Mr Ramjade, see the performance of the MYR, USD and SGD fund classes of the CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund. It proves my point.

MYR - http://www.cimb-principal.com.my/fund_pdf/...MYR_MYR_FFS.pdf

USD - http://www.cimb-principal.com.my/fund_pdf/...USD_USD_FFS.pdf

SGD - http://www.cimb-principal.com.my/fund_pdf/...SGD_SGD_FFS.pdf

Look at the 1 year performances of all 3 fund classes with the exact same underlying assets.

MYR: 6.82%
USD: 2.38%
SGD: 4.81%
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Except it is not because the fund is an asia pacific fund.

This is due to the fact that the fund underlying asset is in USD

Currencies like SGD and MYR which depreciate against USD during the second half year will see performance boost in their respective currencies class

Plus forex risk is rather complicated as the inter transaction while you holding the fund may also affect the currencies performance (e.g. when the fund sells USD asset while MYR appreciate against USD, it will realized its forex loss in MYR performance and vice versa

QUOTE(Dogta @ Jan 22 2017, 08:02 PM)
Dear sifus, if use RSP can't get the silver member discount? Must pay at full sales charge (i.e. 2%)?
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Your RSP entitled for silver discount if you are a silver member as per their FAQ



p/s: I realize some forummers gave wrong info that can have severe consequences to others' decision sweat.gif
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QUOTE(voyage23 @ Jan 23 2017, 10:15 AM)
Friendly advice to people who are new here.. Don't take what everyone says as gospel truth here. Make your own judgement by gathering their views and read on other sources. Some people here are very new themselves and there are some who are already seasoned. Cheers smile.gif
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QUOTE(vincabby @ Jan 23 2017, 10:21 AM)
xuzen, puchongite, wong mun keong, avengelice, adele, ramjade, AIYH, pink spider. forgive me if i left out more sifus.

all these are seasoned and ready to goreng! (pun intended. no offense sifus)

new players in the game. well, the ones that ask a lot here. nothing wrong with that.
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I am also newbie here sweat.gif

Teenage rant only tongue.gif
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jan 23 2017, 10:40 AM)
just curious, i think i saw FSM been around since 2012. Who's portfolio here has been around the longest ?
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FSM has been around since 2008, you can ask xuzen pink_spider wongmunkeong tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ykit_88 @ Jan 23 2017, 02:49 PM)
Hi guys.

My 6 months portfolio as below:
RHB AIF - 37.5%
Eastspring Global EM - 37.5%
Manulife India - 25%

Planning to get Ponzi 2.0 and AmReits later.
And then some US exposure fund later.
I'm pondering between Manulife US/TA Global/Global Titan. Any advise?

p/s: not getting any bond fund coz I have my flexi acc.
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If u want developed market exposure, Titan

If u only want US exposure, which practically major in developed market and global as well, manulife US

If you only believe in technology potential futuee, global tech
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 23 2017, 08:40 PM)
Dude why? You guys still don't get it? Ringgit getting stronger, keep Ringgit class!

Today RM4.43 buys $1. If the Ringgit keeps strengthening, your $1 will return say, RM4.20. You will make losses upon converting to and back from a USD class fund.
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If a fund like ponzi 2.0, which based in USD, when MYR appreciate against the USD, the MYR class will suffer in performance

If you are talking purely in currency exchange, then you are right, but not in UT in general
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 24 2017, 12:00 PM)
May I know which is the equity counterpart which you compared with ?
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EI GEM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 24 2017, 12:16 PM)
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Xuxen may be on to something here.

Now I need to go back to the drawing board and reconsider this fund inside my port. Short term eastspring is better but in long term it rhb emerging bond performance is better.

Scenario A
Move all capital from eastspring emerging markets eq to rhb emerging markets.

Scenario B
Keep eastspring emerging markets eq until Malaysia recovers and switch back to small cap. (Buffer)
Purchase rhb emerging markets and consider this as emerging market allocation.
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This is why I choose rhb ebmf over gem back then when I consider for emerging market portion

You said the fund is on stagnant country that is not appealing sweat.gif
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 24 2017, 08:52 PM)
Uh ok, whatever man. As far as I know, "switch" funds has the default meaning of switching between intra-house funds. In fact neither M2U nor CIMB Clicks allow me to switch to another fund house. So this is the first time I am hearing such things, from you!
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Interested to know, if in m2u and cimbclicks, switch only means switching within the fund house, then what function in them allow you to switch across the fund house?

At least within the context of FSM (not sure about other platform so we just explain the feature available in FSM), there are 2 types of switch.

i) intra-switch : which means switch between different funds within the same fund house, usually the funds will be sell and buy into another fund within the same day, no charges except RHB and manulife funds

if equity to equity, no SC

if equity to bond, you will gain 2% of SC, for example if you sell RM1000, you will get 20 credit points, each credit point with RM1

If bond to equity, you can utilize the credit points if you have, else default SC 2% will be charged

I think this is the same as what you experience in switching in m2u and cimbclicks

p/s: this is what I understand so far, didnt actually performed intra-switch myself, kindly correct if I am wrong

ii) inter-switch : which means switch across funds in different fund houses, and if you switch to equity, you will get charged SC, but good thing is if is within promotional period, promotional SC applies

In general, this involves disposing your fund in 2 days and immediately buy into another fund, which is faster then you sell the funds manually, wait for the money for 4 days, then buy into another fund (some funds have shorter/longer processing time, do check out their schedule before switching)
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post Jan 24 2017, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 24 2017, 08:53 PM)
I need to get something at the end of the month as well. I am thinking either Eastspring Global Emerging Markets Fund or the Affin Hwang Select Asia Ex Japan Quantum Fund, but the latter will leave me overexposed in Asia.
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IMO, GEM is heavy in greater china area, and if you observe, GEM and dragon performance trend are kinda similar, but dragon give you more upside

For other EM part you say, I will suggest look for funds that can heavy focus on those countries you want to diversify


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