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 FundSuperMart v17 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post Jan 11 2017, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 11 2017, 05:06 PM)
Ok I think I get it. So I shouldn't compare mutual investment to the compound interest from fd. I think I mix up the concept.

For fund if have good return and suddenly 1 yr drop big % I might lose all my gains through previous year. So isn't it long term invest will have higher risk for a big market drop?

So the annual returns we talking about never actually mean anything until we sell?
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This is why aside from performance data, you need to understand the market and funds' fundamental to see which fund is good, can still perform despite market down turn and can gain better return over long term to preserve what you gain previously while still gaining potential return smile.gif
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post Jan 11 2017, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 11 2017, 08:08 PM)
Guys, I am in the middle of my application.

I just want to reconfirm about the TOTAL/FULL charges of using FSM, cause a few pages ago someone was talking about platform fees.

On their website's FAQ for the question "What kind of charges do I have to pay?", they only talk about the sales charge and annual fund management fee (priced into NAV). They don't mention anything about platform fees.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/W...e-to-pay-1083#1

Please, can some FSM sifus detail exactly what are the kinds of additional charges levied upon FSM account holders. TQ!
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Kindly refer to its pricing structure

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/home/...ngStructure.tpl
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post Jan 11 2017, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 11 2017, 08:21 PM)
Long story short, ONLY bonds have platform fees? Zero fees payable beyond the sales charge for equities, correct?

Also their matrix for intra-house switching must be wrong since for some funds you need to pay RM25 (unless FSM have a special arrangement with those companies).
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Yes and yes

The switching fee that some funds imposed are not charged by FSM, rather, they are charged by the respective fund houses. So technically, FSM is right on not charging you on switching cause they are not the one charging tongue.gif
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post Jan 11 2017, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 11 2017, 09:08 PM)
Nawps. there's an annual management charge bro
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Thought that was inclusive in NAV? hmm.gif
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post Jan 11 2017, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 11 2017, 09:30 PM)
over performed? how did you managed to deduce that?

remember every event you see now is just a little ripple in the vast sea. so just make sure you cover all your bases and not keep shifting.

AIYH wouldn't that be considered as eating into the profits too? just wondering how you guys calculate the platform fee and management fee into your irr.
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Yes, but that is harder to quantify directly, more over it is reflected in the performance, so by comparing peers, you can see from there, although you can do the annual management fee comparison, but it is like what is the point of low management fee if the fund cant perform?
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post Jan 11 2017, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(wonglokat @ Jan 11 2017, 10:33 PM)
Sure, will look into it. Just feel the portfolio didn't have the proper exposure to other developed markets outside US. Want to find a counterbalance / diversifier before I forget about it until June. Will continue to auto DCA for now.

Thanks!
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Basically global or developed market funds are still heavy weight on US, then eventually having similar performance (at least trend) with US centric market (see graph)

So based on the data available, manulife US will still be the better bet among them.

probably you may want to consider other allocation have different correlation with this segment smile.gif

I planning to reconstruct my portfolio with my recent realization on this, but still need time to study and understand, and most importantly, money cry.gif laugh.gif

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post Jan 12 2017, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 12 2017, 12:06 AM)
Thing is, if it is US-only, you got higher highs...also, lower lows! By adding in additional regions, you add a "stabilizing" factor.

Of course, if you trust US will outperform EU for the year, then just go for the US-centric fund.
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BUt from the previous chart, observed that manulife US (pure US) and ta europe (pure EU) have the same price trend, yet US enjoy lower volatility than EU hmm.gif
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post Jan 12 2017, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Jan 12 2017, 10:32 AM)
guys, i got a question. i wanna ask, on FSM website, it shows the fund performance. my question is the fund performance as its stated or we need to manually deduct the Annual Management Fee to get the Real  performance?

after being advised by lots of FSM member here regarding the importance of diversification, i think i gonna get the following on saturday: generally, its from FSM recommended fund and recommended portfolio

CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR  20%
CIMB-Principal Global Titans Fund 20%
CIMB-Principal Greater China Equity Fund 20%
Eastspring Investments Small-Cap Fund 20%
Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund 20%
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Annual management fee was already reflected in the daily NAV, and performance is based on NAV movement plus distribution reinvested, therefore, you no need to deduct that

The only thing that is not reflected in the performance is the sales charge you pay
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 12 2017, 11:48 AM)
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...t-Fund-MYAMBITF

the return is as low as 3.42% in 2016 upto 15.52% in 2014, it's a big range. You averaged it yourself and make it like 8-10%, that's very misleading.
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It does annualized to 8-10% in 5 years tongue.gif

However, thats very volatile as a bond fund laugh.gif

QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 12 2017, 11:21 AM)
Thnx sifu. Need complete research before end of month so when money come in can start hehe
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If you decide to follow Ramjade's allocation as below:

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 12 2017, 11:17 AM)
You can stick with 4 funds.
1 Asia Pacific funds/Balanced AP fund
1 US based fund
1 REITS fund
1 bond fund
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I suggest you the following portfolio:

CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund - MYR / RHB Asian Income Fund
Manulife Investment U.S. Equity Fund / TA Global Technology Fund
AmAsia Pacific REITs - Class B (MYR) / Manulife Investment Asia-Pacific REIT Fund
Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund - MYR / Libra AsnitaBond Fund

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post Jan 12 2017, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Jan 12 2017, 12:03 PM)
Am i the only one that can't seem to be able to log into FSM ?
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mobile or web?

I can log in both smile.gif
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post Jan 12 2017, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(iampokemon @ Jan 12 2017, 02:36 PM)
Actually how long does it takes for registration to be completed in fundsupermart? It was like 10days yet still no approval email/call from them yet.

I only got a call on the 2nd day after submitting my application for verifying purpose only. Until then nothing is heard anymore, except some news updates from fundsupermart.
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Have you try to log in?
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post Jan 12 2017, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 30 2016, 07:40 PM)
For PRS (at least in FSM) I can recommend 3 equity funds (simply because conservative type doesn't worth it, better put EPF lol)

a) Kenanga OnePRS Growth Fund

This is pure Malaysia fund invested in diversed sectors, feed into Kenanga Growth Fund, but due to Malaysia situation, you may want to consider skipping this if you do not want anymore Malaysia exposure

b) CIMB-PRINCIPAL PRS PLUS ASIA PACIFIC EX JAPAN EQUITY - CLASS C

This is an Asia ex Japan fund invested in diversed sectors, feed into CIMB-PRINCIPAL ASIA PACIFIC DYNAMIC INCOME FUND - MYR, this is not a bad fund, considering that Asia ex Japan region is going to boom in the coming 2 years

c) AMPRS - ASIA PACIFIC REITS - CLASS D

This is an Asia inc Japan fund invested in REITS, feed into AMASIA PACIFIC REITS - CLASS B (MYR), aside from potential boom in Asia ex Japan region, if you think property will be the future boom too, this is not a bad fund smile.gif

See below for 2 years performance (AmPRS one is less than 3 years since launch), and 3 years performance, along with affin hwang prs growth fund as a comparison smile.gif

You may suggest others and discuss here if you find better choice smile.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 30 2016, 08:00 PM)
Pilihan muktamad aku ialah (b).
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QUOTE(kd88 @ Jan 12 2017, 10:52 PM)
any recommended PRS?
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post Jan 12 2017, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(iampokemon @ Jan 12 2017, 11:11 PM)
They didn't give me any password oso  sweat.gif  Will try calling them tomorrow and see how it is.
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You apply online right?

I thought that time you put your own password dy?
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post Jan 12 2017, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 12 2017, 11:21 PM)
Nope. if you read the news, it's going into gold.
Not necessary. Asia can rally if US rally. They can also go the opposite if US rally. Good eg Nov issue. When Trump was elected, the US market rally. Asia follow. Then he gave a speech, US rally more and Asia takes a beating.
You don't know what's kap cai? Seriously?  doh.gif
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 12 2017, 11:24 PM)
You betul betul orang Malaysia kah? Samada you India atau Cina atau Melayu atau lain lain...semua pun tahu apa tu kapchai lah!

But seriously, kapchai means something that is old/worn-out/simple but still works.
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EH, tbh, I also dont know what kap chai means laugh.gif

what language is that? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 12 2017, 11:55 PM)
Are you Singaporean? Why do you want their fund local fund? Why not buy a Singaporean fund in Malaysia?
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FSM SG has more choice though

To give you a lead, currently non of the US/developed market/ global funds available in FSM MY can compete with S&P 500, but in FSM SG, so far I can find 2 of them
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 13 2017, 12:15 AM)
Yup. Guess you are right blush.gif
Just a precaution. Some fund in SG mirror the ETF of the country (replicating the ETF). So one is actually paying more for the fund when one can buy the index.
Source: Singapore investment blogs.

Care to share which one? For my SG UT portfolio, I sort of run away from my 5-6 funds max principles. Too much too buy  drool.gif I am looking at total of 9 funds sad.gif
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I try not to go over FSM MY topic by focusing my intention towards comparing US mutual fund performance selection in MY against other countries tongue.gif

In FSM SG, only 2 funds managed to beat S&P 500 in 3 years time, other funds stand no chance (especially these 2 funds still beat S&P 500 even considering the performance of the 2008 crisis)

From fund selection, filter equity US, then sort by risk return ratio (surprising available in singapore unlike malaysia can only filter through sharpe ratio, which might be misleading from the data available)

Fee wise, this is the investors' responsibility to do research to understand their available options since unlike Malaysia, they have much more choice to compare and consider tongue.gif

QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 13 2017, 12:20 AM)
Oh ok. That's really interesting.

How easy is it to make a SG account at FSM? They let a Malaysian make an account there? Will MAS bar you from entering Singapore if you do this? They seem very strict one wor, can't play play.
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Try ask this in FSM SG thread to prevent being OT tongue.gif

But following the faqs, should not be hard to open for malaysians, the only thing you need to consider are:

i) payment choice, go the tough route on opening sg bank account to facilliate easier transfer, or just TT to cash account but incur TT fee

ii) similarly with MY, their competitor(s) like Philip Mutual provide better discount on SC compared to FSM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 13 2017, 12:27 AM)
I suggest at your current status as a fresh graduate to think it through if you are interested.

opening fsm SG account is easy but getting a SG bank account is a different ball game altogether. ramjade has been diligent enough by researching and asking in the SG  counters thread.  if you do get one congratulations but j can feel you are chasing things too fast bro.
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I can understand his desire, I am also a fresh grad tongue.gif

And ram is still a student although I believe we all are the same age ( i think tongue.gif )

Is ok to be desire to know more as long as you do your due diligence in research and understand things smile.gif

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 13 2017, 08:26 AM)
Japan just invest in anime and manga will get high return liao.

I read a Robert kiyosaki book mention mutual fund is scam and we will get double our return if invest in same stock due to the fees and charges in mutual fund. Invest in index fund is better than mutual fund. Any thoughts on this?
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Malaysia lacks index fund in comparison to mutual funds.

Even if you want, there are KLCI index funds available in FSM (but i think is just mutual funds tracking KLCI index)
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 13 2017, 10:12 AM)
I use the spreadsheet on post#1 to help me track. And I guess it's not hard for me since I don't trade, just need to update distribution
This fund was discussed maybe a year ago. The exceptional results for 5 years annualised is due to recovery of previously defaulted bonds and the recovery is pretty much completed. If you look at 10 year annualised it's pretty normal of 4.3%.
The line up of this event is better than the last one, Lee Sook Yee and Chen Fai Fai are speakers.

For the 0.5% SC promo, this round no one mention so I thought I'll highlight this

If you place your order on 14 Jan and use FPX and payment method; you can make payment by 20 Jan and it will be priced on the day you pay. So if you want to make your 'bet' looking at the indexes, you can choose to pay later so you can price it at the day of your choice  cool2.gif

Disclaimer: I don't advocate this. I don't even advocate buying for SC discount
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Lee Sook Yee and Chen Fai Fai are KGF and kap chai's fund manager respectively? drool.gif biggrin.gif

I place order in 14th for SC discount and pay right away because it coincide my RSP date when you consider the processing time tongue.gif
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post Jan 13 2017, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 13 2017, 01:51 PM)
If I remember correctly the nickname " kapchai fund" being assigned to eastspring investment small cap fund was the initiative of Avangelice.
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river.sand suggest, Avangelice approved innocent.gif

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