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 Fixed Deposit Rates In Malaysia V. No.15, Strictly for FD Discussion Only

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cclim2011
post Dec 26 2018, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Dec 25 2018, 11:21 AM)
Kena report.. pls ignore this
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Old timer din use fsm, more of old skool that prefer going OTC.. so din bother telling nor explaining to him.. I'm jz curious with his claim.. lol..

Wanted to ask in details why and how, especially in calculation but he's got customer waiting for him already.

Back to original question about the question .
Ytd have some discussion with a old timer, uncle
He said since FD for long time which usually won't use it, park the money in pb on board rate but it's compounding interest

So my question, aren't much better than chasing promo rate which is definitely higher. 

What you guys thought on this?

100k @4.5% = 4.5k per annum (promo)
100k @3.3% = 3.3k per annum ( on board)
I'm not pro in calculating compounding interest but will compounding interest exceed the promo given than in 5 years both providing same rate?
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There are many online calculators. 3.3 daily compound is too far from 4.5 annually compound. 4.4 daily may win over 4.5 annually. I believe there is a formula to count how much daily compounded interest rate needed to match 4.5 annually compounded in 5 years. Definitely not 3.3. If you don't have the formula, can just play iwth the numbers in one of the many online calculators. Attached screenshot for your example cases.



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post Dec 26 2018, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Dec 26 2018, 08:57 AM)
Thanks all for the reply..
The uncle seems to believe 3.3% on board FD will much better than chasing promo rate

If got chance, I will try to ask the uncle explain why he think so..

I was skeptical as well with his claim but he's old timer, like 60+ which he have much more experience. Hence trying to ask much clearer clarification. This thread also got many knowledgeable ppl.

Once again. Thanks
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Flexibility ba. Can take out anytime lo provided such term (for example my mbb homeloan is 4.4 daily compounded interest, if fd is less than 4.5 I will pull my money into the flexi homeloan, which I can withdraw anytime with RM25 processing fee).
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post Jan 7 2019, 12:14 PM

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Just put 4.5 6m Islamic with cimb queensbay. Otc

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post Jan 7 2019, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(chinkw1 @ Jan 7 2019, 02:44 PM)
CIMB no monthly interest right?
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Not sure... Didn't ask for it this round.
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post Jan 9 2019, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(cthinker926 @ Jan 9 2019, 11:05 AM)
"Rates are subject to change from time to time" tongue.gif
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Anyone knows if the rate is subject to change even after placement (ie affecting rate of placed deposit) ? Or it just meant rates are subject to change befire any placement.
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post Jan 11 2019, 12:51 PM

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Went to Hong Leong (no queue) at around 10:15, uplifted 2 fd and got a banker's cheque of 100k in less than 5 minutes time.

Reached Bank Islam (no queue) at around 10:45, took me 75 minutes (came out at around 12) to open a BSA (already submitted document yesterday but need approval for BSA) and placed that 2-year FD at ave 4.65.

The working speed is really an eye opener for me. biggrin.gif. Personally I feel that the time is not worth it unless the amount is >500k.

ps the BI FD slip shows only for 3 months. The exact matured date (2 years later), you have to use pencil or pen to write it down yourself on the slip.




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post Jan 11 2019, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Jan 11 2019, 03:15 PM)
Did u get a debit card? I got one when I opened my BSA account about 2 months ago.

Then on Tuesday placed the 2 yrs 4.65% taking about 30 minutes for opening of FD account to getting the FD cert.

Used the debit card to open online account which is useful for transferring the interest every 3 months.
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Hey yaya. Got the atm card and Internet login. Can give to loved ones or parents to press money not too bad. Thanks for the reminder.

30 minutes? 😅 Some more fund maturing next week, I already now contemplating hlb 4.28...
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post Jan 15 2019, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jan 15 2019, 12:36 PM)
I think you are referring to CIMB Unfixed Deposit. This is a bundled FD promotion.
It has been going on for over 3 years already for CIMB.
You will have to invest an equivalent amount of FD and Unit Trust, with a minimum investment of RM5k for each account.
The FD one is guaranteed whatever % they offered after a certain tenure, but the other half of your money will be Unit Trust, and you will have to stick to it until the fund earns you a sizeable return (probably 3-5 years).
The bank's website will not tell you this but when you go and enquire, they will refer you to a consultant in the bank to share this promotion in more details.
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I thought cimb fd is clear cut? I managed 4.5 fd only on 7th Jan just last week. It is 4.4 pure fd now (Islamic) from the threads.
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post Jan 15 2019, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(qintian @ Jan 15 2019, 05:10 PM)
4.4% 12 months pure fd clear cut no need to purchase other product. i just placed only..

ambank having some bundle promotions, whereby you need to put 50% into purchasing bond and 50% into FD for 12 months.. and they are offering 12m 5.3% for the FD..

for me i think this ambank product is good because in anyway, your bond will also have yearly dividend at around 5-6%.. they offering SARA I, SARA II, EQUITY 3 and EQUITY 5...

any input for this ambank offer?
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Bond? Sound alright. (better than unit trust). Sure got some hidden charges or risk I guess...

Just checked asn. Got caj jualan 5% for equity and 3% for Sara. And I think it's like UT? Hehe

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post Jan 15 2019, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(qintian @ Jan 15 2019, 07:01 PM)
that is what i thought also..

yes there will be charges.. however, thinking yearly will take back 5-6%.. i would say bond is a longer term investment..somemore now bundle with 5.3% FD.. i would say its a good deal.. but asking more opinion now.
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I don't think it's a good deal. Not to count after first year got mgmt fee or not on the fund, just counting first year return.
Assuming 5% charge and best 6% return, ur bond/trust fund would be
0.95 x 1.06 after a year = 0.7% gain p/a
FD = 5.3% p/a

Since 50-50, ur average return is just 3% per annum.
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post Jan 15 2019, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jan 15 2019, 10:14 PM)
9871 also reported.

wtf?
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May be cannot discuss any funds here. Not too sure. 9872 too. Anyway it is fine. Just sharing.
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post Jan 16 2019, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 16 2019, 08:08 PM)
better go for CIMB  4.4% monthly interest , easy
BI 4.65% but susah.
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Deciding between these two coming Friday. BI too time consuming so susah?
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post Jan 18 2019, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(mrhseinpingq @ Jan 18 2019, 01:41 AM)
If have 500k, will not put in FD i think
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Any suggestion for relatively safe bet?
Whta if one has one million and decided to put half into fd?
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post Jan 18 2019, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jan 18 2019, 11:49 AM)
Unfortunately short short money deposits too low.
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Safest is simply pick up the best REITS at lower prices now and then and collect quarterly distribution payments or resell for profit.
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Know nothing about reit. What is the average annual return like, say for 2018? Sorry off topic

Just placed 4.4, monthly interest, 1 year, cimb Islamic.
Not very comfortable about BI coz mother company is TH lol. Personal feel.
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post Jan 18 2019, 02:47 PM

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Oh ya forgot to add. Hong Leong told me next month 4.38. No other details.
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post Jan 18 2019, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(normanTE @ Jan 18 2019, 05:47 PM)
https://www.cimbislamic.com.my/en/business/...nt-account.html
i provided the link they didnt mention anything about the rate?
where to get a minimal 4.2 %.?
i am currently placing with UOB and OCBC al-amin at 4.2-4.3%/ perannum

zero interest put underneath your bed = but zero risk of confiscation from bank failure like greece.
4% interest for putting with bank time deposit = minimal risk ( except bank failure like cyprus or greece)
5% -6% direct stock investment= own some sunway or igb reit or maybank share risk of losing your capital in short runs
7-8% probably you need to a be a seasonal trader eg buying cyclical type companies at their bottom ( umw / oil / timber / bank)
> 10% probably need to take more risk eg owning the business. (risk is losing more then your entry capital)

this is the true fact. FD by itself is a form of investment dont believe me :
eg if you have 5 million cash ringgit malaysia with 4% return per annum in average
year 1 5,200,000
year 2 5,408,000
year 3 5,624,320
year 4 5,849,282.8
year 5 6,083,264.51
year 6 6,326,595.09
year 7 6,579,658.88
year 8 6,842845.23
year 9 7,116,559.03

clearly it take 5 yr to get your first 1 million by 4% interest but as the time go it take lesser and lesser time for the next 1 million (2nd milliononly take 3 yr and 6 month)
this is a magic of compounding.
that why buffet said in any investment 1st dont loss your capital...
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Oh yaya, I walked in and ask cimb Islamic got 4.4 monthly right. Teller went to office a while and ask came back in 5 second. 100k.

Of course everything has risk. But I normally choose the safest and least safe (for me it's trading).


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post Jan 22 2019, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(Wong Kit yew @ Jan 22 2019, 02:55 PM)
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Bank of China, Bukit Indah, JB.
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Looks like not bad for USD and RMB haha. Can cover exchange loss... I recall cimb rate wasn't that high for foreign fd.
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post Jan 29 2019, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Jan 29 2019, 04:32 PM)
i see you don't like to answer a clean A/B question, hopefully someone else could.
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I think the answer is No.

If put on 1st Jan, 1-day fd, the maturity is 2nd Jan. 2-day fd the maturity is 3rd Jan. 364-day fd, the maturity is 31st Dec. So I think 365-day/1-year fd (366 for leap year) the maturity is 1st Jan next year. Should be a viable argument.
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post Jan 29 2019, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Jan 29 2019, 07:40 PM)
on my recent certs it starts and end on same date, anyone has Maturity = (Deposit Day - 1) printed on their cert?
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Same date should be correct for a 365-day (1-year) fd. So far I have not had a 1-year fd cert that shows (Deposit Day-1) of which that would mean a 364-day fd.
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post Jan 31 2019, 10:19 AM

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Cimb Islamic still have 4.35 one year, monthly interest. yesterday evening.

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