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Samsung Samsung pay beta launched!

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post Jun 18 2017, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 17 2017, 04:28 PM)
Sorry to ask a stupid question.
I have CIMB Mastercard.
Which app should I tie it to? Samsung Pay or CIMB Pay?
Which one is better?
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101% samsung pay.

CIMB pay only nfc....

Samsung pay got both mst and nfc, you can use almost everywhere, even ancient credit card terminal, as long as got "swipe" slot .

CIMB pay not very convenient ( in term of launching the app and initialize the payment thing ) to use compare to samsung pay.

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post Jun 18 2017, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 18 2017, 09:24 AM)
So for Samsung Pay, it doesn't matter if merchant terminal is using Visa or Mastercard host?
Am I right?

As for as I know, CIMB Mastercard Wave cannot be used on Maybank terminal.
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i didn't notice actually, i just use....so far no problem on the visa or mastercard paywave vice versa thingy....

but by right...even using card.....CIMB mastercard wave should be doesn't matter....as long as the Maybank terminal accept Visa and Mastercard + paywave feature.

McDonald is using maybank terminal, you can try there to confirm yourself, either by card or mobile payment.
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post Jun 18 2017, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 18 2017, 09:41 AM)
Just now I tried Samsung Pay at McD.
But I was using Citibank Visa.
I haven't link CIMB MasterCard yet because I was still gathering info between Samsung Pay and CIMB Pay.
What I know is that physically CIMB MasterCard Wave cannot be used at McD Maybank terminal.
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hmm....didn't bother to test physical card before, was enjoying using Samsung pay

so far no problem using cimb mastercard local or overseas

i only have few failed attempt...

1 at hotel, amount more than 250......not sure if the amount is the cause.....or the way i use (too close? keep asking me to "swipe" again).....

1 at groceries store, different terminal success, 1 counter got different model terminal, that one failed, not sure if the way i use is the cause ( too close?keep asking me to "swipe" again)

1 at DIY store....got error message ( more to bank i think)...forgot to record it to report to samsung pay
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post Jun 21 2017, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 21 2017, 11:01 PM)
LRT/MRT/Monorail... ATM... online shopping.... yet to come...


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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 21 2017, 11:11 PM)
Not in Malaysian context right?
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was wondering where is that country the video is referring to.

ATM i only know South Korea......

Transit......Singapore is still testing on using credit card not yet mobile payment. transit card in a Telco Sim card and interface to Samsung Pay dont count.

Malaysia....is 3 years behind what ever they are introducing

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post Jun 22 2017, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(azhar75 @ Jun 21 2017, 11:52 PM)
Will be (before Xmas...?)


But Apple has to go thru Bank Negara Malaysia for any cashless implementation... which just safe to say "not going to happen..."
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i don't think it is Bank Negara issue....more to $$....

i heard to implement Apple Pay, bank have to pay transaction fee....something like Mastercard and Visa

Samsung Pay dont charge transaction fee....probably that is the reason they go live first.

not sure about android pay

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post Jun 27 2017, 07:15 AM

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QUOTE(Maiden222 @ Jun 26 2017, 08:42 PM)
Not 99% some terminal not up to date you will get  error. I use alot MST so yes it works with normal terminate that have side slide credit card.

My experience with MST

1. Some terminal not  supported
2. Supported but machine will ask for your cvv
3. Supported but sometime need retouch a few times

It won't ask for your pin anymore

If you meet inexperience vendor tell them to press F2 sales or find the word sales in the machine and then just touch it at the upper area and wait till the machine registered your phone.

If you go to mcd when making payment ask the guy to let you touch the machine I tried once passing my phone he tap it wrongly.
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some terminal not supported??....i doubt so....

i actually like older model terminal, as they are more receptive to my samsung pay mst compare to new version.

my very first samsung pay transaction is with a very old, no idea what model credit card terminal.....older than verifone 520, that time still beta testing, not open to public.

even the terminal got paywave, i still like to use mst.

have yet to encounter number 2....will try this coming week, when my transaction cross the RM250

problem with number 3 mostly on new terminal where it support both paywave and mst, please be reminded the mst is very powerful, even at 2-3 inch distance it will still detect, if you want to use mst, keep some distance between the terminal, else you will easily get error as both paywave and swipe slot detected the signal.

my first mst transaction at mcdonald, still new....dont know how to tap properly, i stick my phone on the swipe slot, when the receipt come out....is pay wave transaction

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post Jun 27 2017, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Maiden222 @ Jun 27 2017, 09:51 AM)
I am very sure its not working because your first tried at mcd. My first try are those old hardware shop in Pantai Remis
I tried 3 times and all also card error and i go to their 2nd outlet also 2 times card error so i very sure its not working. So only their outlet not working machine show from heong leong bank.

For me tap on top is easier than touch on the side so i always avoid MST if machine have visa wave.
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sorry for confusing,

my very first samsung pay transaction is with a restaurant, using mst, around nov-dec last year ( still in beta testing, not yet official launch) as their terminal is very old model, no paywave from public bank

i was saying, my first mst transaction attempt at mcdonald, when their terminal accept both pay wave and mst.

i would not call it failed because paywave intercept and process the signal first, my second attempt, i pull some distance, still using mst, it works fine, same location....

also, if you encounter error, remember to log the time, model and merchant name, report to samsung pay, so they can follow up and check with the bank or merchant.

i am actually reverse, i encounter more card read error if i use paywave, need few more attempt.

only with terminal that dont have special stand alone paywave reader, because i cannot grasp the exact location to beam.

just curious, what kind of error message did you get when it failed??

i don't believe it is not supported, more to bank block or disallow this kind of transaction or they did not set the terminal properly??

in singapore, they actually block my mst at mcdonald, only paywave goes through.

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post Jun 27 2017, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(CyberKewl @ Jun 27 2017, 01:38 PM)
i think you guys are not using paywave right. i NEVER ever get paywave wrong for common merchants like mcdonalds, guardian, giant, etc.

The best way is to hold the phone in landscape orientation and tap it on the paywave machine at the top portion where it shows the amount. confirm will go through unless the staff did NOT key in the amount. The rule is to key in the amount first, then when the panel is ready then you can tap away.

MST is much more challenging for me because i noticed most shops their MST is not configured - they tend to prefer physical card slot in, so the magnetic part wasnt configured or calibrated, causing errors.
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what to do when the cashier them self not sure..... ...all these is learn from trial and error..


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post Jul 5 2017, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 3 2017, 10:05 PM)
Guys, don't be overexcited. After usage of 2 weeks, I came to conclusion that 95% of all the terminals out there support Samsung Pay.

There's a higher acceptance rate if you're using Wave/NFC but bear in mind that the limit is capped at RM 250. For this, the terminal doesn't even need to be Samsung Pay compliant.

As for MST, before July 1st, you're required to sign the printout. Not sure for now that you still need to sign it or just input the 6 digits PIN. The success rate of MST could be lower as you may encountered errors. I tried once at Caffe Bene before July 1st.

Another problem I noticed is some merchant especially the electronic cash register is linked up with the card terminal may require the cashier to put the 16 digits card number. You may need to make this available if somehow, the physical card is not available or the merchant electronic cash register is not able to read from the card terminal. I encountered this at Crocs Gurney Paragon.
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With cimb bank, more than 250 is allowed, but abit troublesome, I partially successfully, only to be blocked by Bank * do not honor * because I didn't do below

1st need to call the bank to increase the limit, but be aware it will also increase your limit for pay wave.
The limit is up until your total credit limit

2nd, need to inform bank in advance the big amount transaction

But for 2nd I think they will call you to verify instead of you calling bank to pre authorise, tmy case is special because I didn't bring my phone that's registered with the card, they attempt to call to verify, plus it's a 2k plus amount, I didn't pickup so they block the transaction, which to me is consider a plus,

As for the signature, the merchant copy still require signature, no idea why still need... Maybe system not properly configured, already informed bank and Samsung, hopefully they can fix this soon. Don't want complication from the uninformed cashier

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post Jul 10 2017, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 10 2017, 08:46 PM)
Sweat!
I thought consecutive transactions need to be 10 mins apart.
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somewhere there....applies to the samsung pay reward point thing....not sure about the compaign
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post Jul 10 2017, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 10 2017, 09:09 PM)
It is explicitly stated in this powerbank contest.
I read it as one of my transaction isn't captured as eligible transaction.
Dam, I missed one more to go!
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oooo......didn't know it apply to samsung pay campaign also.

my phone is US set.....no access to local samsung pay campaign =/
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QUOTE(Radiant360 @ Jul 14 2017, 09:40 AM)
Why scare?

Maybank limit to 250 per day or reset.
Protected by fingerprint or iris scanner
Phone ask for password at restart
Even you open Samsung pay it only show your last 4 number of credit card.
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Not sure if Maybank can open the limit or not, cimb allow to open until your maximum credit card limit.

I am now more scared to use physical card than Samsung pay after I open the limit 😃
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post Jul 14 2017, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 14 2017, 10:03 AM)
Why so?
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For cimb Samsung pay, you open the limit, you also open the limit for physical card pay wave....

Physical card not much protection other than intervention from cimb credit monitor team
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post Jul 14 2017, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 14 2017, 10:28 AM)
Anybody tried to swipe using Wave for amount above RM 250 (default limit)?
Especially with Visa Paywave.
Will that trigger for PIN input?
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I tried with Samsung pay.... Not with pay wave

From my experience, it seems didn't trigger pin request. The most is receive call from cimb

Something like when you try to use your card overseas when you didn't inform bank

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QUOTE(xphr3ak @ Jul 14 2017, 11:27 AM)
How to open the limit?

As far as i know..

For CIMB, RM250 (MST) and RM1k (NFC)
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Call bank say you want increase Samsung pay limit


QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 14 2017, 11:29 AM)
How about MST limit is lower than NFC? hmm.gif

Previously, MST triggers for signing the printout?
Now still the same? Or change to PIN input?
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Not sure Maybank, but cimb didn't ask me open limit for nfc or MST, so I assume it's both.

Still require signature for merchant receipt, I think bank is working with merchant to sort this out
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QUOTE(xphr3ak @ Jul 14 2017, 11:33 AM)
Sometimes they don't even know what they are answering
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QUOTE(Radiant360 @ Jul 15 2017, 09:09 AM)
Never ask me to sign before
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they are talking about using the MST.

NFC, they never ask me to sign, but MST, customer receipt no need, but merchant receipt, still need as per my last transaction.
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QUOTE(Radiant360 @ Jul 15 2017, 11:10 AM)
I use mst more than you friend of course I know. Never ask me

To such extend 3 to 4 vendor the mst not working.  I even contact Samsung on this the only error it show card error. Physical card works fine but some vendor mst works great.

The only thing Samsung can ask me to do uninstall and reinstall Samsung pay app
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maybe is merchant issue, most of the time they still require me to sign, sometimes they didn't ask me to sign because they didn't look properly at the receipt.

they thought is NFC.....but when they look properly, there is a column asking me to sign, so i just comply.

before and after 1st July, i purposely go and test at Mc'Donald who's merchant bank is Maybank, the merchant receipt still require me to sign.

i use MST 95% of the time since before the beta started, even if they have NFC.

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post Jul 15 2017, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(Radiant360 @ Jul 15 2017, 11:47 AM)
What BNM said after July all must be pin
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yeah i know, not sure apply to who...merchant or user or both

customer receipt no need sign, merchant receipt need to sign.....so which is which?

or just purely not properly configured on the bank system.

already feedback to the bank.......

but then if you say PIN only....NFC or mobile payment should be cannot use as well, since it doesn't ask for pin at ALL tongue.gif

BNM statement is misleading sometimes.

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QUOTE(Radiant360 @ Jul 15 2017, 01:03 PM)
Samsung pay uses token so indirectly the pin = fingerprint or iris scanner already verified

I will try again but very irritated when system show card error
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we know that, but cashier don't.

you have yet to encounter stubborn cashier

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