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post Dec 27 2011, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(Double_Ace @ Dec 27 2011, 01:56 PM)
Hi there, thanks for replying. So minimum to spend on this sport to start is rm 4k? rclxub.gif  Ya i don't think i be upgrading the bike bcs of budget.. No most of the ppl we know don't believe in outdoor activities. The rather spend the money on those fancy gyms... Would like to know can join cycling group? Bcs i sometimes see group of boys & girls cycling around with their own uniforms are these groups of are they just friends??? Any bro or sis here part of any cycling group???
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I'm not really sure about the price of a road bike, as I'm more into MTBs, but this' how I started:

First bike is a below 1k bike. Pretty decent bike actually, just that its only a 21 gear and a bit on the heavy side. But overall great for a beginner. Reason for getting a cheaper bike is cause I'm not sure if I'll like this as a hobby or not.

Then when I decided to get serious about biking, I switched to a Trek 6000. Retail price is at RM3,8xx or so. Although there's other models that are also available for below RM3k. The Trek Skye WSD that I'm looking at for my GF is about RM2,5xx or so.

But if you're going to get serious, then its not just the price of the bike to consider, but also other stuff such as good helmets, gloves, cycle computers, lights, cycling shorts, jerseys and so forth.

You'll need minimum a helmet and gloves to start off in addition to the bike. But I do recommend getting good quality ones. I'm currently on my second set of helmet + gloves cause the cheaper first ones I got had the strap coming off the helmet, and holes getting worn on palms of the gloves.

I used to scoff at the need for bike shorts, till I started getting numb butt during longer rides. But these are all things that you'll collect up slowly, instead of just whacking it all at once.

The question between bike or gym really depends too. I know for sure I'll get bored with indoor gyms, then never go back again. But cycling outside is at least something interesting, and you can always look out for new routes or places to go.
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post Dec 27 2011, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(chitsumon @ Dec 26 2011, 05:15 PM)
hey guys, im staying at Sunway, anywhere nearby where I can bring my bike to cycle? prefer tarmac though
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Kesas is a popular spot, they've got a motorcycle lane there.

I stay in Puchong Jaya, so its easy for me to get access to the Kesas, where I normally take the route up to the Summit, U turn then all the way down to Bukit Jalil then U-turn back up to Puchong again. roughly 27km or so.

If you're in Sunway, you can probably enter the Kesas at the Summit flyover.
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post Dec 27 2011, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(dinraxxx @ Dec 27 2011, 03:31 PM)
yup, I even started by buying cheap bikes.But since he's not looking for upgrading, it is suggested to get a 4k start.At least he has the motivation to cycle.And cycling in groups is the best way to compete healthy and compare performance amongst others.
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Actually, an alternative to getting a 4k bike right off as a start is to look for a second hand one that's more affordable. Changing bikes later is a different thing than to upgrade the components on an existing bike.
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post Dec 28 2011, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(ahmeduk88 @ Dec 28 2011, 02:26 PM)
Well being honest. To enjoy biking is not to have the most expensive bike or the fastest bike. Its about enjoying the most efficient machine in the world. I only ride a sub500 GTA mountain bike that is swapped with road tires. I ride it to work everyday. Its not a long commute, about 10km perday but i also ride in the rain. And i enjoy it everyday. My schedule hasnt allowed me to participate in any races or jamborees. my bike isnt fast. its not light. but i enjoy every moment when i am on it. and in Shah Alam, i think im the only commuter. And i am sure im having fun for every turn of the peddle.  just my two cents.

Just ride with what we have, you'll get stronger. And once u saved up for that bike you dream for, u'll be super fast!!!
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That's why I prefer MTB compared to road bikes. Just swap the tires to the slim slick tires, and you'll be fine on the road. You may not be as fast as the roadies, but you can sure handle the uneven roads and bumps better than they can.

Plus you can go off road after swapping the tires back to the knobby ones too smile.gif
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post Dec 28 2011, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(noprob @ Dec 28 2011, 03:43 PM)
any mtb wheel are interchangeable ?
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tires, not the wheels, if that's what you mean.

I use 1.5' slicks for road, and 2.2' knobby for off road. just make sure that they're both the same diameter size.
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post Dec 28 2011, 08:37 PM

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Wow, 60 is real fast on a MTB. Fastest I've managed is about 52kmh on a steep downhill tarmac. But my pedals will already spin out at around 43-44kmh or so, and the rest of the speed gain is from momentum from the downhill.


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QUOTE(ahmeduk88 @ Dec 28 2011, 04:05 PM)
basically, i use 1.5 slicks. easily changeable to to knobby 2.2s. no alteration on the rims needed. tp if 29ers i dunno if ada road slicks.
Just need to watch out for the valve type that the tube uses when switching between knobby and slicks.

For the 29ers, you should be able to use the 700c tires for road slicks. But you won't be able to use the slimmer ones though.

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post Dec 30 2011, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Dec 29 2011, 11:02 PM)
what the price range for helios 500?

the boss actually say for my size (178cm), i can fit a size M and S, between them?

Kinda confuse with size..
some put in CM
some put in XS S M etc
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To avoid confusion between the XS, S, M sizes, look at the actual measurements itself. MTB measurement tends to be in inches, while road bikes tend to be in cm. Normally I'll say that a size S is either 15.5 inch MTB or 43cm for road bike.

I'm 165cm, and I use a size 15.5 MTB, which is a size S. If you're at 178cm, a size M is likely to be too small for you, let alone a size S. Your size should be more towards a L or sizes between 56, 57 or 58cm.

This is rather important, getting a bike that's the right sized. My first bike was a 16.5 inch (size M), and its too big for me. The result are aching shoulder and neck muscles, and the palms of my hands getting numb very often during longer rides, as I was leaning forward too far, placing too much weight on the palm of my hands, as well as having to raise my head higher up.

Another cycling buddy who's first bike was too small for him says that the problem he's had was pain in his upper arm muscles and mid back muscles during longer rides.

You can sort of use this here as a rough guide: http://www.evanscycles.com/help/bike-sizing

But at the end of the day, you'll still need to get yourself test fitted properly for the bike that you're looking at. You'll also need to get the seat position, handlebar position, brake level angles, distance between saddle and handlebars and so forth adjusted properly to fit you, in addition to the frame size.

The adjustments can be well, adjusted as you go along, but frame size cannot be. And nothing throws you off cycling more than spending money on a bike to find that the size is wrong for you. And this is not something that you'll notice right away, but you'll only experience the problems during longer rides.

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post Dec 30 2011, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Dec 30 2011, 09:01 AM)
I don't understand most shops doesn't really bother about my question regarding size, it seems that size doesn't really matter. I am curios too when I see on the chart I am suppose to ride at least 54CM frame but most shops try to say it's limited in Malaysia and you can't really get them easily.

They try to convince me that u should always get a smaller size and just adjust the saddle to a higher height.

I know myself being a person who doesn't really like frequent upgrade, I might set my mind on 105 component thinking of that, I still don't really like the idea of spending a fortune without knowing what I want although bonus just came out, not really good tho, not enuff for helios 500..
Frame size is actually the most important thing to look at. Things like the group set, the weight of the bike and so forth, you can probably put up with. After all, even if the bike is heavy, you can still do long rides, as long as you train up your stamina.

But an incorrect frame size will actually effect your ability to do long rides badly, as its no longer just an issue of stamina but you'll need to put up with aching and strained muscles as well. And from my cycling buddy's experience, it would seem that a too small frame size is worse than the too big frame size that I had experienced. In a proper setup, the only thing that should get tired are your legs as that's what you use to pedal.

If the shop tries to convince you to get a frame size that's not suitable for you, then my advice is to head off to another shop. Most common sizes are the M sizes, and XS, S or L might be a bit more difficult to find. The bikes under RM1k tends to come only in a single size, which is M.

QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Dec 30 2011, 09:01 AM)
btw what is the differences between a good gear and a lower end one?
A rather rough difference is how it effects the overall weight of the bike, how smooth the shifting of the gears are, and how likely the chain is to jump off the crank or cassette when you shift too quickly (not sure if this last one effects road bikes much)

QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Dec 30 2011, 09:01 AM)
Also like to know which is better? dropbar/flatbar?

Really sorry for my question bombardment
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Dropbar vs flatbar, I can't really say though, as I use a MTB. But if its like the flat vs riser bars for MTBs, then its actually something that depends a lot on the individual's preferences.

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post Dec 31 2011, 05:47 AM

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QUOTE(H2D @ Dec 31 2011, 03:24 AM)
there are fixie in almost any bike shops, just need to go search.
fixie - no gears, no brake caliper, no brake levers, no shifters, no cables...
why it has to be expensive... ?? biggrin.gif
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cause its become a hype among yuppies? smile.gif
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post Jan 3 2012, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(noprob @ Jan 3 2012, 09:05 AM)
hi guys

Currently on Kenda Small Block Eight, 26 x 2.1
Am planning to change to road tire ..
need suggestion on brand and estimated price
also proper size for beginner pls . tq
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I have 2 sets of tires for my MTB, the original Bontrager 26x2.2 which I use for off road, and Maxxis Detonator 26x1.5 for road use.

1.5 is pretty ok. You'll need to get both the tires and the tubes. I remembered paying around 150-170 (can't remember the exact amount) for mine (2x tires and tubes)

Check the valve too. You'll want to get the same valve type that your Kenda tube uses for your road tire tubes as well.
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post Jan 3 2012, 11:39 PM

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Motorbike cover is available from Jusco for about RM50 or so.
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post Jan 4 2012, 02:14 AM

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QUOTE(noprob @ Jan 3 2012, 07:48 PM)
Thanks bro for feedback .. 1.95?
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If you're wanting to get road slick tires, then you're likely to be wanting something lighter and faster that you can use on the road. So might as well get something slimmer like the 1.5. 1.95 is still kinda big.

I don't notice any difference in difficulties in handling when I first used the 1.5, but its noticeably lighter than the 2.2 knobby tires.
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QUOTE(hancitgila @ Jan 4 2012, 09:24 AM)
Morning guys..

I'm a newbie here and I'm a 6' 4" guy..
I've surveyed around the web and find out that for my height the frame size is 21". Can somebody tell me where can i get complete MTB 20" to 21" frame? Hope fully can get around selangor and n9 area coz I'm living in n9.

Thanx alot in advance
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chances are that you'll need to get the shops to custom order for you.
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QUOTE(butthead @ Jan 4 2012, 09:22 AM)
don't mind me being frank... but that will look like those alam flora dumpster on your porch when you close it up... and the size of that thing is not small too...

don't your condo or apartment have a small store closet you can stick the bike inside or hang it on the wall be it inside the closet or indoors?
I just stick my bike next to my door smile.gif

QUOTE(butthead @ Jan 4 2012, 09:22 AM)
i think there is also 1.4s and the lowest for a usual rim that will fit a 2.2 would be a 26 x 1.25 if i am not wrong. have to swap tubes though.

any lower would be 26 x 1.1 but that will have to change to a wheelset with narrower rims i believe.. not cost efficient.
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Yeah, seen the 1.25 used on a MTB rim. But even on the 1.5, I've already need to swap the tubes. Not too sure about the fit of the 1.1 though
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QUOTE(butthead @ Jan 4 2012, 09:53 AM)
lets jus hope your family ain't those door kicking type or your bike will get door banged all the time... dinged up frame and stuff...

i do remember 1.1 will require a narrower rim if you are capable of running 2.5s..

if memory serves me well which it doesn't most often. 1.75 and 1.5 are the same tube and 1.25 will be a totally different tube...
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Nah.. I make sure there's enough space for the door to completely clear my bike smile.gif

Only thing that I really need to watch out for is to make sure that my rabbit does not do anything funny to my bike tongue.gif
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QUOTE(butthead @ Jan 4 2012, 10:23 AM)
what can i rabbit do to your bike... hump your tires?

if you say a dog, i'd be scared.. heard of multiple cases where bike owners tyres explode at home because the dog bit the tires...

god, buy them a chewy toy man... much cheaper than your expensive set of rubber...
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Their teeth can be scary, especially when they chew on things to grind it down.

But he seems to leave my bike alone these days. don't seem to care much for the taste of lubricant oil tongue.gif
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QUOTE(noprob @ Jan 4 2012, 02:14 PM)
what abt 1.95 size guys ? different tube w my current one (Kenda Small Block Eight, 26 x 2.1 )
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Out of curiosity, why 1.9, and not something thinner?


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QUOTE(butthead @ Jan 4 2012, 10:56 AM)
at least you won't be another statistic for pet induced tire blowups...

it'd be one thing to say the dog ate your tire.. but a furry bunny...is unacceptable...
famous last words from people who underestimate how destructive a bored bunny can get tongue.gif

QUOTE(butthead @ Jan 4 2012, 10:56 AM)
talking of lube... it is shit hard to find good lubes in malaysia.. it is just the standard orgy of finish line, interflon, pedros, motorex and the stuff...

have tried most of them and they are never good with dirt no matter how i drip the lube, drain, leave it overnight, wipe and all the usual drills that they teach, or maybe particularly the dirt here is different from the dirt in the european countries  blink.gif 

would be interested to try both of this... claims to not attract dirt which is most probably a 95% lie... and rock n roll lube even claims to wash the chain for you... hard to acquire in malaysia and both online... never ship to malaysia.

http://www.rocklube.com/
http://bikes.progoldmfr.com/products/

another is sapim race oil.. can't even find they list them as an individual product.
http://www.sapim.be/index.php?st=products&sub=racetools

i was interested as the oil looks quite light by comparison.
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been wondering about this too. suspect its the different climate effecting the dust that causes it to stick more than anything. And well, for claims on not attracting dirt, I'll believe it when I see it smile.gif

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QUOTE(butthead @ Jan 4 2012, 08:21 PM)
thought they just hump each other when they're bored... not some metal skeleton...
they chew anything when they're bored

QUOTE(butthead @ Jan 4 2012, 08:21 PM)
the guai los must have done their testing in a green room where there is not a spec of dirt... that is where their assumption came from...

bet they'll go like
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if they ever see our chains...
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wait till they see this tongue.gif

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post Jan 4 2012, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Jan 4 2012, 11:47 PM)
Where is the chain? cant see them..
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that's how dirty it is after 3 hours of riding tongue.gif

You can sort of make it out on the middle chainring
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Jan 5 2012, 12:25 AM)
haha it looks like u cycle into swamp and came out of it..
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close enough. it was raining like mad the night before.

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