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TSnaruko85
post Nov 21 2016, 05:01 PM, updated 10y ago

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Hi, I want to ask all the sifus here that

My company is actually the appointed sole distributor for a certain food brand from Indonesia. The one my company selling now are export packing that made by the manufacturer in Indonesia. But lately, many other trading companies bring in the local packaging from the same manufacturer (They bought bulk from market and send in by container).

The local packaging that they are selling dont have any importer sticker but they got make declaration.

So, since my company are the sole distributor, is it possible that I can stop them from selling the local packaging that is not meant for Malaysia?

Thank you
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post Nov 21 2016, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(naruko85 @ Nov 21 2016, 05:01 PM)
Hi, I want to ask all the sifus here that

My company is actually the appointed sole distributor for a certain food brand from Indonesia. The one my company selling now are export packing that made by the manufacturer in Indonesia. But lately, many other trading companies bring in the local packaging from the same manufacturer (They bought bulk from market and send in by container).

The local packaging that they are selling dont have any importer sticker but they got make declaration.

So, since my company are the sole distributor, is it possible that I can stop them from selling the local packaging that is not meant for Malaysia?

Thank you
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yes yoh can. you have the distributor rights.

you can escalate this to the food brand that you have the rights with and also send a cease and desist letter to get them not to sell it without distribution rights.

also you can report for immigration, lhdn and even MOH and JAIS since anything you sell needs ISO certification and Halal chop and etc.

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Nov 21 2016, 05:25 PM)
yes yoh can. you have the distributor rights.

you can escalate this to the food brand that you have the rights with and also send a cease and desist letter to get them not to sell it without distribution rights.

also you can report for immigration, lhdn and even MOH and JAIS since anything you sell needs ISO certification and Halal chop and etc.
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why immigration ?
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post Nov 21 2016, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(naruko85 @ Nov 21 2016, 05:01 PM)
Hi, I want to ask all the sifus here that

My company is actually the appointed sole distributor for a certain food brand from Indonesia. The one my company selling now are export packing that made by the manufacturer in Indonesia. But lately, many other trading companies bring in the local packaging from the same manufacturer (They bought bulk from market and send in by container).

The local packaging that they are selling dont have any importer sticker but they got make declaration.

So, since my company are the sole distributor, is it possible that I can stop them from selling the local packaging that is not meant for Malaysia?

Thank you
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I guess this is wat is termed by parallel importing. Its happening to Engine Oil brands (some you can find in TESCO or GIANT).

One of the way is to contact your Principal in Indonesia and see if there's a solution to this problem. With their assistance, then its easier to launch any legal proceedings with thse competitors you're finding in the market.

Else, the other way is education and educating market about Genuine vs Parallel Import. With Engine Oil, company DOES not recognize any damages caused if using a parallel imported product.

Few examples similar to your problem (most of them still not solved)

Imported Cars
Imported Engine Oils

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post Nov 21 2016, 05:57 PM

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Parallel import exists mean the sole distributor couldn't meet market demand e.g made too much profit, priced too expensive, stock shortage, poor distribution network, etc.

Unless solution is available quickly, the manufacturer is likely to appoint 2nd importer, allow parallel import or even set up shop themselves.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Nov 21 2016, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 21 2016, 05:57 PM)
Parallel import exists mean the sole distributor couldn't meet market demand e.g made too much profit, priced too expensive, stock shortage, poor distribution network, etc.

Unless solution is available quickly, the manufacturer is likely to appoint 2nd importer, allow parallel import or even set up shop themselves.
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This.
Sometimes you need to adjust to market forces.
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Nov 21 2016, 06:14 PM)
This.
Sometimes you need to adjust to market forces.
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To buy from local distributor and resell couldn't be cheaper than directly from the manufacturer means ts company is making excessive profit.

It is a matter of time, a parallel importer will offer the manufacturer a better deal e.g higher volume, marketing budget, etc.
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post Nov 21 2016, 06:52 PM

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The manufacturer only appoint my company, it is very hard to stop parallel because other trading company sapu a lot at Indonesia's market and bring back. Thus the manufacturer is not aware of.

With this, is it possible that i can stop the parallel products from selling?
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QUOTE(naruko85 @ Nov 21 2016, 06:52 PM)
The manufacturer only appoint my company, it is very hard to stop parallel because other trading company sapu a lot at Indonesia's market and bring back. Thus the manufacturer is not aware of.

With this, is it possible that i can stop the parallel products from selling?
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If the manufacturer is aware of amount imported is far higher than your purchase, your sole distributorship is numbered.

Instead if wasting resources to stop parallel import, you should focus on increasing your local market share. Have you approach parallel importers to appoint them as your dealer?

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QUOTE(naruko85 @ Nov 21 2016, 05:01 PM)
Hi, I want to ask all the sifus here that

My company is actually the appointed sole distributor for a certain food brand from Indonesia. The one my company selling now are export packing that made by the manufacturer in Indonesia. But lately, many other trading companies bring in the local packaging from the same manufacturer (They bought bulk from market and send in by container).

The local packaging that they are selling dont have any importer sticker but they got make declaration.

So, since my company are the sole distributor, is it possible that I can stop them from selling the local packaging that is not meant for Malaysia?

Thank you
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What you could do, is to send those parallel importers & retailers a legal letter (get a lawyer, they should know which letter). In the letter, mentioned that you're the sole distributor of Food Brand ABC as appointed by the brand owner/manufacturer in Indonesia (do attach your letter of appointment) & that they're liable of unauthorized sale of Food Brand ABC in Malaysia. Legal action can & will be taken for unauthorized sale or distribution after xx-xxx-xx (insert a deadline for them usually a month or so). However if they would like to continue selling, they may buy from your company instead. Then provide them the options available for them if they would like to legally sell it e.g. appointed agent, sub-distributors, authorized reseller, authorized dealer, stockist etc etc (any fancy titles you want).

Some parallel importers don't realize there's a sole distributor already. So if things worked out well, you'll get a new customer.

Some parallel importers don't care, so prepare to deal with them legally.

But like others who already mentioned, parallel importers exist because of market forces. Strongly suggest for you to take the market forces seriously, especially the pricing. If the parallel importers can earn WITHOUT GETTING the distributor's discount from manufacturer, do relook at your product pricing cause they most likely won't be bothered with your reseller/dealer scheme. As long as there's a gap in the market forces, parallel importers will pop up eventually. If you stop 1 today, 2 will pop up tomorrow. As the saying goes; wherever there's sugar, there'll be ants. So the root of your problem, is in your 4Ps.
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i think u didnt feed the manufacturer enuf . thats why this happen .

clearly see that this happen because your target is not met.


what you can do is: before take any action, seek for manufacturer or your supplier.
take your piece of so called: " sole distributor" contract and discuss with them. with your finding and so on , how to solve the issue.

option 1: if you think the product is unique and can sell, you probably can source for alternative supplier with cheaper cost and better quality.

option 2: talk to the supplier, request to accept more volume to stop his other selling channel ( this will have problem in future)

option 3: just be it. and demand lower cost price from supplier stating that competitor availability

option 4. you cease the working relationship with them
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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Nov 21 2016, 10:57 PM)
What you could do, is to send those parallel importers & retailers a legal letter (get a lawyer, they should know which letter). In the letter, mentioned that you're the sole distributor of Food Brand ABC as appointed by the brand owner/manufacturer in Indonesia (do attach your letter of appointment) & that they're liable of unauthorized sale of Food Brand ABC in Malaysia. Legal action can & will be taken for unauthorized sale or distribution after xx-xxx-xx (insert a deadline for them usually a month or so). However if they would like to continue selling, they may buy from your company instead. Then provide them the options available for them if they would like to legally sell it e.g. appointed agent, sub-distributors, authorized reseller, authorized dealer, stockist etc etc (any fancy titles you want).  

Some parallel importers don't realize there's a sole distributor already. So if things worked out well, you'll get a new customer.

Some parallel importers don't care, so prepare to deal with them legally.

But like others who already mentioned, parallel importers exist because of market forces. Strongly suggest for you to take the market forces seriously, especially the pricing. If the parallel importers can earn WITHOUT GETTING the distributor's discount from manufacturer, do relook at your product pricing cause they most likely won't be bothered with your reseller/dealer scheme. As long as there's a gap in the market forces, parallel importers will pop up eventually. If you stop 1 today, 2 will pop up tomorrow. As the saying goes; wherever there's sugar, there'll be ants. So the root of your problem, is in your 4Ps.
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Is sole distributor and sole agent the same thing?

If I am a sole agent and someone is doing parallel import from China wholesaler (not from manufacturer directly), can I take any legal action against the importer who bring in this products?Can I report to agency to seized those shop who are selling this products ?Our products are same,same barcode but mine with my company label

This post has been edited by peigeng: Aug 11 2020, 05:04 PM
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Malaysian laws generally do not prohibit the importation and sale of parallel goods.
What is prohibited are counterfeit or ‘pirated’ goods. Counterfeit goods are essentially fake and unauthorized replication of the original products not originating from the trade mark proprietor.

We are not going to discuss further about counterfeit goods and will focus on the issues relating to parallel imports. One has to note that section 35(1) of the Trade Mark Acts 1976 (“the Act”) expressly states that the registered proprietor shall have the exclusive right to the use of the trade mark in relation to the goods/services applied for. On the contrary, you may recall that a parallel importer, even though he is not the registered proprietor of the trade mark, may import and sell products bearing the trade mark. In such a case, is there any infringement of trade mark committed by the parallel importer?

Section 40(1) deals with acts not constituting infringement. The provision that we would want to look at is section 40(1)(d) where it ‘legalizes’ parallel importation. This section is closely related to the principle of exhaustion of intellectual property rights. Once a particular product has been sold by the trade mark proprietor or his registered user, his trade mark rights are said to be exhausted. In other words, where the registered proprietor of a trade mark or his registered user has placed his mark on the goods which are then marketed, the registered proprietor loses all rights to control subsequent dealings with the goods. To illustrate, if a trader obtains a trade mark registration, he will have exclusive rights over the use of the mark and he can legally prohibit anyone from using and selling products bearing his mark. However, he cannot prohibit customers who have bought the products from reselling to third parties.

It is not an act of passing-off to import genuine goods from overseas and sell them here under their respective trade marks because there is no misrepresentation as to the origin of the goods.
more....
https://henrygoh.com/issues-revolving-aroun...rallel-imports/

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=...&sclient=psy-ab
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QUOTE(peigeng @ Aug 11 2020, 04:59 PM)
Is sole distributor and sole agent the same thing?

If I am a sole agent and someone is doing parallel import from China wholesaler (not from manufacturer directly), can I take any legal action against the importer who bring in this products?Can I report to agency to seized those shop who are selling this products ?Our products are same,same barcode but mine with my company label
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The main question is, who can grant you area exclusivity & how it's being enforced?

If the China manufacturer has 3 wholesaler, what's stopping the 2nd & 3rd wholesaler to compete with you in Malaysia? If the manufacturer or the brand owner themselves isn't bothered, then your "sole distributor/agent" is just a fancy title with no backings to it.

Ultimately exclusive or sole distributorship is just an agreement between you & the brand owner. Thus, it's up to the brand owner to take action cause you have no authority over the brand. I think the common legal action that can be taken is the brand owner gets a court injunction to stop the unauthorized reseller from selling their own product. But you're not dealing with the brand owner. So, unless you have their support......doubt there's anything you can do with the other resellers here.
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QUOTE(peigeng @ Aug 11 2020, 04:59 PM)
Is sole distributor and sole agent the same thing?

If I am a sole agent and someone is doing parallel import from China wholesaler (not from manufacturer directly), can I take any legal action against the importer who bring in this products?Can I report to agency to seized those shop who are selling this products ?Our products are same,same barcode but mine with my company label
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No.

The only different is if the product has warranty, the sole importer will not entertain the claim. They can repair but standard charges applicable.
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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Aug 11 2020, 06:20 PM)
The main question is, who can grant you area exclusivity & how it's being enforced?

If the China manufacturer has 3 wholesaler, what's stopping the 2nd & 3rd wholesaler to compete with you in Malaysia? If the manufacturer or the brand owner themselves isn't bothered, then your "sole distributor/agent" is just a fancy title with no backings to it.

Ultimately exclusive or sole distributorship is just an agreement between you & the brand owner. Thus, it's up to the brand owner to take action cause you have no authority over the brand. I think the common legal action that can be taken is the brand owner gets a court injunction to stop the unauthorized reseller from selling their own product. But you're not dealing with the brand owner. So, unless you have their support......doubt there's anything you can do with the other resellers here.
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Brand owner get court injunction to stop those resellers selling is definitely not in their point of view,because ultimately they are the producers and it is manufactured by them.however if Malaysia sole agent has this brand and trademarks registered in Malaysia,I as a sole agent can stop reseller selling this?

P.s. I understand that I can't stop them from importing but can I stop them selling as they have no exclusive right of selling in Malaysia.brand owner can back me up on this

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QUOTE(peigeng @ Aug 12 2020, 07:27 AM)
Brand owner get court injunction to stop those resellers selling is definitely not in their point of view,because ultimately they are the producers and it is manufactured by them.however if Malaysia sole agent has this brand and trademarks registered in Malaysia,I as a sole agent can stop reseller selling this?

P.s. I understand that I can't stop them from importing but can I stop them selling as they have no exclusive right of selling in Malaysia.brand owner can back me up on this
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QUOTE(peigeng @ Aug 12 2020, 07:27 AM)
Brand owner get court injunction to stop those resellers selling is definitely not in their point of view,because ultimately they are the producers and it is manufactured by them.however if Malaysia sole agent has this brand and trademarks registered in Malaysia,I as a sole agent can stop reseller selling this?

P.s. I understand that I can't stop them from importing but can I stop them selling as they have no exclusive right of selling in Malaysia.brand owner can back me up on this
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Well if the brand owner can back you up, then you have better chance. So suit up & try to get local injunction to stop them from selling it in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(NightHeart @ Aug 12 2020, 01:54 PM)
Well if the brand owner can back you up, then you have better chance. So suit up & try to get local injunction to stop them from selling it in Malaysia.
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Other than legal action.can we ask other authority to check and seized those product?It is a canned food products,I believe those seller didn't apply for jabatan kesihatan and kpdnhep approvals.just too bad our packaging are same ,same barcode, just without our label stickers.
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QUOTE(peigeng @ Aug 12 2020, 02:03 PM)
Other than legal action.can we ask other authority to check and seized those product?It is a canned food products,I believe those seller didn't apply for jabatan kesihatan and kpdnhep approvals.just too bad our packaging are same ,same barcode, just without our label stickers.
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In your case, if manufacturer wants to appoint sole distributors in every country, they wouldnt need to appoint a wholesaler or they instruct wholesaler to deal with appointed distributors only. It defeats the purpose of the supply chain.

A real market scenario during my time...

The printers market is so competitive in msia and major brands face tough market to supply to major tender customers from parallel importers.

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