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 FundSuperMart v16 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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Ramjade
post Oct 28 2016, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 28 2016, 11:34 PM)
percentage means the amount of shares EPF hold in that particular holding

bingo.

now dig where KGF invest in.
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The one which overlaps with KGF is just TNB. KGF only holding 3.35%. The rest all different. So I don't think it overlap much. Also IF EPF and KGF are holding the same stocks, how come EPF is not able to generate the same performance as KGF?

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post Oct 28 2016, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 28 2016, 11:53 PM)
may I suggest that you don't pay too much attention in where EPF or KGF invested the monies....
The holding information is NOT up to date.....and also the holdings may change at any time the FM seems fit (or being told by BIGGER boss)
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Precisely. But of course if one have too much in malaysia, it would be unwise to invest more in malaysia.
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post Oct 29 2016, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 29 2016, 10:17 AM)
me actually. I have another pocket investing in Malaysia why would I go make another big pocket investing the same as the other. it is counterintuitive when the Malaysian economy slumps everything will be affected.

take away message keep 20% to 30% of your portfolio into Malaysian bonds and equities. the rest diversity into over seas UTFs.

my two cents
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I think 30% is too high. Maybe 10-20% is the right target?
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post Oct 29 2016, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(silverwave @ Oct 29 2016, 12:14 PM)
Hi everyone, i've just activated my FSM account. My plan was to do it by this year to get the Rm500 incentive but i read in the PRS thread that it will be Rm1k next year.

Is it wiser to just wait till next year?

I got an email from FSM saying that the first 30 days i will be entitled to 1% sales charge.If the Rm1k incentive next year is true, it's better to hold on right?
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The 1% is not for PRS. Is for normal funds. You can invest in normal fund first while waiting for next year to get the rm1k. Keep in mind that rm1k can only be withdraw out when you are 55 years old.
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post Oct 29 2016, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(silverwave @ Oct 29 2016, 12:32 PM)
How would i know which is meant for PRS or normal fund in FSM? Still very new to this  biggrin.gif

About the Rm1k, it has to be for first investment of RM1k minimum to be entitled right? Second investment does not count. Do correct me if i'm wrong.
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You will have to select PRS from dropdown menu under fund selection.

Don't know about PRS as I haven't take a look yet. Will take a look next year. thumbup.gif If you are working, recommended you put max rm3k inside there for tax relief.
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QUOTE(botakbin @ Oct 29 2016, 03:17 PM)
Hi guys,

I've started by putting in a small lump sum into RHB AIF already, around 30% of my total amount that is available for investing.

From the Fund Fact Sheet, it seems that AIF and Ponzi 2.0 are focused on the same geographical sectors, but are focused on different equities. Would like to ask whether it is wise to put anymore into Ponzi 2?

Also thinking of putting into TA GT as well, should have done so yesterday when the price was lower.. Really missed the train.
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Your choice. You want exposure to malaysia some more or not. I don't want. That's why I choose Ponzi 2 over Ponzi 1.

Don't worry. TA Global Tech is still considered cheap. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 29 2016, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 29 2016, 04:21 PM)
Dear Sifu Ramjade,

How you determine TA Tech UTF is cheap or otherwise ar?

Can teach me ar?

Which formula you use to determine ar?

Xuzen
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See previous price before distribution? I am betting it will will go back to previous level few months down the road. Well that's just my own judgement.

Let's bet ok? In one year time it will go back to before distribution price. Ya ya, distribution, dividend all not important. But let's see one year later.

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Oct 29 2016, 05:04 PM)
5 units gets one unit, and a few months later price grow back to original, that will be 20% growth, right ? If like that better sai lang liow !
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Let's why I said 1 year. Possible what in one year. Even if not 20%, let's put it at lower level. 15% sure achievable.

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post Oct 29 2016, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 29 2016, 05:40 PM)
Now take a look at the NAV (A) & (B). From this do you see that the actual value is lebih-kurang sama aje! Although you will say the NAV has dropped, but for someone who is actually holding the unit prior to the units split; it does not seem that way.
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This is true for those holding. But who those not holding? If the price goes back to normal after 1 year? Anyway lets see how much I will get after 1 year.
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post Oct 29 2016, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 29 2016, 06:31 PM)
Let us consider two scenarios:

Xuzen already has 12,000 units of TA GTF on 11/10/2016 and the NAV on 11/10/2016 post unit split is MYR 0.6092 per unit. Hence Xuzen's actual holding in TA GTF is MYR 12,000 x 0.6092 = MYR 7,310.40 as of 11/10/2016.

On the other hand, Ramjade do not own any TA GTF units and on the same day post unit split, that is on 11/10/2016 he bought 10,000 units of it and he has to pay 10,000 x 0.6092 = MYR 6,092.00 for his settlement.

Let us say one year later, and assuming there are no dividend declared nor any unit split or bonus units declared, that is, the NAV moves up on its own naturally. The NAV moved up 20% to MYR 0.6092 x 1.20 = MYR 0.7310

The NAV for Xuzen becomes 12,000 x 0.7310 = MYR 8,772.48. MYR 8,772.48 less MYR 7,310.40 equals to MYR 1,462.08 and this is equivalent to 20% capital gain.

Let's move on to Ramjade:

The NAV for Ramjade becomes 10,000 x 0.7310 = MYR 7,310.00. MYR 7,310.00 less MYR 6,092.00 equals to MYR 1,218.00 and this is equivalent to 20% capital gain.

Based on the above illustration, whether one holds the unit prior to unit split or whether one does not, does it make a difference or not?

Xuzen
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Nope. Both gain 20%. However I still think buying now could still be cheaper if say buy next month. Of course vice versa can happen.

However, let's not derail the thread and start a war about NAV. smile.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 29 2016, 07:26 PM)
Dear Sifu Ramjade,

Now that we have established that a UTF cheap or otherwise is independent of unit split or post-distribution matter, then on what basis do you make this claim or that assertion?

On the other hand you said it could be cheaper now than next month or vice-versa, your statement then is neither here nor there. It is spoken as if not spoken then, is it not?

Xuzen
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US banks are trying to use blockchains, there are autopilot car, US, Russia, China sure will try to enchance security of their power grid, hospitals, VR the all new craze, Amazon is battling with Netflix, Apple for control of the entertainment media, ransomware, Alibaba, Tenscent, are all big tech companies in China, 3D printing and drone technology. These are what I can think of from the top of my head.

In addition, not sure where did I read about some view aside from asia pacific, technology sector is the next growth engine (not sure on Bloomberg/CNBC/Reuters)

Enough reasons? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 29 2016, 07:56 PM)
You said earlier it was due to the drop in NAV because of the unit split effect that the NAV became cheap.

Now you are saying due to the above macro views, the potential for TA GTF NAV to increase is there. Good good! We are making progress! Kipidap!  thumbsup.gif

Xuzen
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Maybe I am not clear. What I meant is if it were to increase in the future based on what I read, buying now is cheaper than maybe buying few months down the road. Provided I am right.

QUOTE(David3700 @ Oct 29 2016, 08:01 PM)
Anything can happen, just like Brexit.
The presidential race is still wide open.
According to personnel from Affin Hwang, the market is basically not ready for Trump victory....

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Good. More opportunities to buy in.

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post Oct 30 2016, 06:56 AM

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QUOTE(botakbin @ Oct 29 2016, 09:11 PM)
@Ramjade I have also considered your opinion of whether I am going to increase my Malaysian UT exposure. Let's say in this event, I am not considering Malaysia, is it still wise to go Ponzi 2? Or diversify in other funds?

Feedback appreciated.
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Ponzi 2 only holds 1.56% in Malaysia which in my opinion is too insignificant. Well is up to you. Anyway I have 1 month experience only la sweat.gif For me, I still topup my Mlaaysian funds when they are "going cheap" but not much.
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QUOTE(kswee @ Oct 30 2016, 12:19 PM)
plan for longer term at least 3 years above.
Stock can run further then that? my risk appetite low.
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Buy REITS.

QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 30 2016, 12:45 PM)
Low risk appetite and stock market =  doh.gif

Xuzen
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Still correct what. Can buy REITS.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 30 2016, 05:05 PM)
have U seen REITs going down >30%-40% ar?
if not, please don't state stuff like that..
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I don't think Malaysian REITS react that that badly?
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post Oct 31 2016, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(David3700 @ Oct 31 2016, 10:38 AM)
IMHO, not a good time to top up woh. Still can't see the light yet. Asian market is red at this moment.
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So you topup when market is green? shocking.gif
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post Oct 31 2016, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 31 2016, 11:21 AM)
do not catch a falling knife

buy in when the price starts an incline.

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But you will never know when it's the lowest.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 31 2016, 12:56 PM)
told you all that Hilary brings stability and trump is a total nut case regardless of her policy. trump is a very volatile nut case.

case to point this article.
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Which is why we must support trump. With trump there's potential for US feds not to hike, may cause the USD to weaken (a very good thing or else you see everyrhing in Malaysia continue to increase in price - vege, fruits, etc), US, AP market will be on discount. Remember what goes down must go up.

If he becomes president, I am very sure USD will drop. We might see RM at 3.8x again biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 31 2016, 02:15 PM)
for those with nice fat $ accumulated or >=1/3 of their investment assets in cash/$ market, they will love U if it happens

the rest will hunt U down and give U a columbian necktie for "creating such events", even if U can't really affect the outcome, they will still demonize U  laugh.gif

thus, beware of what U wish for - it may come true and then U have to deal with it tongue.gif
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I will deal with it by topping up more and do more shopping from the US biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 31 2016, 02:19 PM)
man-with-a-plan
no one can stop this man

go up - happy
go down - happy
sideways - also happy  rclxms.gif
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Actually I am happy if USD can drop. If USD continue going up, cry.gif

But we have to prepare for both ways. bruce.gif

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