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 FundSuperMart v16 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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Ramjade
post Dec 6 2016, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 6 2016, 09:14 AM)
Damn busy with work lately, who can do me a favour and compare

RHB Asian Total Return
vs
Affin Hwang Select Bond

for 1-year and 3-year periods?

Thanks notworthy.gif
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Affin have bewn stable (think of it like rhb islamic bond except it's in asia pacific).

RHB asian total return, returns flacuate. That's what I can see.
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post Dec 6 2016, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 6 2016, 09:28 AM)
Annualised returns for 2, 3, 5 and 10 years barely exceed 4%...what makes u love it so much?
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Are you looking at the correct page?
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...d-MYR-MYHWSBOND

From what I see it's >6% p.a

Ask dasecret or wil-i-am how much they get p.a
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post Dec 6 2016, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Dec 6 2016, 10:14 AM)
Why must get bond?
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To backup incase all equities fall. Anyway, I already considered no bond fund for my FSM MY.

I am 100% equities.
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post Dec 6 2016, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Dec 6 2016, 10:20 AM)
Yea.. the volatility doesn't seem worth it to me.. for that kind of return. If you have a diversified enough equity strategy, all you need to do is top up when you start losing money. Eventually, as a whole, it will go up again.
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True. What goes down must go up. However I am not sure about malaysia funds. sad.gif

Perhaps it would go up after 3 years like what happen to my ASG.
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post Dec 8 2016, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 8 2016, 10:49 AM)
Yeap exactly what I'm doing now. even going ahead and posting onto my Facebook. the more people who invest in malaysia. the more perks we get.
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Promoting UT is not thr right way. We should promote ETFs as it's cheap cheaper in the long tun and statically, it will beat UT most of the time.

QUOTE(wodenus @ Dec 8 2016, 11:29 AM)
I'd rather have that and not be charged 0.1% a quarter to pay for what I don't need smile.gif
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Agreed. The 0.1%/quater is a killer.

QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 8 2016, 10:37 AM)
Well, sure, go ahead with your plan of using FSM platform to decide what to buy and then buy from eUT. Soon both platform would be obsolete as it is not sustainable to run on 0 fees or 0 revenue

p/s: I don't work for FSM, but I believe in making good businesses sustainable by supporting them
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That's what I am planning for FSM SG. Use their info then use eUT.

How many people you know invest using RM5k?
If 6 funds = RM30k already. How many can fork out RM30k/month? If I have RM30k/month to invest, I would have choosen ETFs. If maybe one time RM5k/month/fund it might be doable. But if RM30k/month, don't think so
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post Dec 8 2016, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 8 2016, 12:04 PM)
1. Try to map ETF/index in Msia with the jaguh kampung funds. Do you know that even lousy funds like Public small cap beat the index?  cool2.gif Sure, the theory works in the US, but try to see if it works in less than efficient markets like most emerging markets

2. I know you don't feel there's an issue to use facility on FSM and then buy from the cheaper source. I'm just commenting it for others who have sustainability in mind. Oh ya, I think it would be a terrible idea for you to venture into businesses. Because it's more than just sourcing for the cheapest goods and maximising revenue.

3. Not sure what was that 5k and 30k calculations for. I'm sure lots of the ASx and FD folks have way more than that. And some of the regulars here who show their portfolio/FSM tier you can easily tell they have more than 30k in FSM as well

Old lady advice to you (despite sure fall on deaf ears), open your horizon, don't just think with what you know, be receptive of what others have to say even when it does not involve saving costs, and you may just gain from it
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1. Who asked you to look at Malaysian index? doh.gif Look la at S&P500/MSCI Asia Pacific etc.

3. Talking about buying from eUT for free Service charge. To qualify, one need to buy min RM5k worth of fund. If a person have 6-7 funds and want to get free SC, that person will need to fork out one shot RM30-RM35k. Anyway for deep pocket people no problem.
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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Dec 8 2016, 12:42 PM)
Please help elaborate on ETFs
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See here
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2843370
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3396549

Basically it's like UT/Mutual fund minus the service charge minus the fund manager fees. That's what make it low cost.

If a UT can beat the index, we need to see after minus all the fees, is it still able to beat the index?
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post Dec 8 2016, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(David3700 @ Dec 8 2016, 01:25 PM)
How to buy ETFs in Malaysia ?
Do we have a LYN thread on ETFs ?
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There are 2 threads. See above.
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post Dec 9 2016, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 8 2016, 10:30 PM)
If switch to within the same UTMC is considered switching, not selling. Don't sell, you ware wasting your sales charge!  mad.gif  shakehead.gif

That is why having a UTMC with many good funds is a good criteria to consider when selecting a KWSP - MIS partner. For example I know many says KGF is a good fund and I agree, But if you look a Kenanga as a whole, it only have one very good fund and nothing else. So if this super duper fund were to experience some issues, you have no choice but get stuck with it come rain or shine. This is only applicable for KWSP - MIS only, not applicable to cash injection.

Xuzen
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Switching within same house won't incur service charge some more?

QUOTE(em0kia @ Dec 8 2016, 11:00 PM)
Guys, I am planning to switch half of my Eastspring Small cap to Eastspring Emerging market,

and then start TA global tech. What do you guys think?

Meanwhile, me and my friend were confused by what's written in most of the product highlight sheet in FSM. *kindly refer to the attachment.

Does this means we need to pay the 5.5% and all the rest apart from the 2% sales charge?
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5.5% is if you buy from agents.
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post Dec 9 2016, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 9 2016, 07:54 AM)
Haven't you read the case of people posted here that they tried to use the ninja switching and ended up losing more money ? You are pretty much deluded to use the words "switching for free".

The credit system should only be use "by-the-way", ie if one is indeed wanting to switching from small cap to eastspring bond, then go ahead and earn some credit. But to "purposely" exploit it, hmmm, the result isn't always predictable due to the moving Nav prices during the various transaction dates.

On the otherhand, have you tried to look at how you could use the 0% SC of eUT to perform switching ?

You can practically move out your entire portfolio to totally different portfolio in 3 or 4 days without incurring any SC, across different fund managers and across bond and equity.

For example, you can't switch your entire investment in RHB AIF to Manulife India  or eastspring smallcap to ponzi 2.0, all in one move, 0 % SC !

Think about it, how about that ?
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How do you do that? blink.gif
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post Dec 9 2016, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(repusez @ Dec 9 2016, 03:02 AM)
this is where your credit system can be use to offset the sales charges, for eg, eastspring small cap switch to eastspring bond earns you credit , and later you can use the credit to offset the switch from eastspring bond to other eastspring  equity fund like small cap, global leaders and etc.

applicable to both epf and cash funds. i think previously Xuzen advocate buying from eastspring for EPF funds as they have a range of funds to buy using EPF funds, for RHB need to pay rm 25 per switch.

The credit system is the one thing that separates eunittrust from FSM, eunittrust don't has it,  and for FSM  you can use credit system to perform the ninja switching for free.
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If I switch from Eastspring smallcap > Eastspring emerging market, kena charge 2% some more?

Btw, if I want to buy those "sophisticated investment" by FSM do they really ask for RM3m proof (don't have RM3m) but interested in one of the fund.
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post Dec 9 2016, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 9 2016, 10:12 AM)
1. You example is a Intra fundhouse switch, no sales charge
2. The wholesale fund is restricted to HNWI to protect the retail investors, the idea is, these ppl with so much money won't feel the pinch if they lose from the wholesale fund. So if retail investors proceed to claim they are HNW, I don't think they really check. If I remember correctly, SC vetting and requirements is also less stringent for wholesale funds.
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Thanks. Because the same fund on FSM SG doesn't need to be HNWI. Just need min SGD1000. Since I don't have access to FSM SG yet, might as well invest in the same fund as those sold on FSM SG. Need a short time parking place.
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QUOTE(repusez @ Dec 9 2016, 11:32 AM)
if you want to use your credit points, you need to switch from eastspring small cap > eastspring bond (earn point),

then switch from eastspring bond > emerging market (use point) . if you have enough points , you do not need to pay for the sales charge

if you switch direct eg, Eastspring smallcap > Eastspring emerging market , you'll be charge 2% or based on your tier discount, silver 1.75, gold 1.5 , platinum 1.25

for rhb funds you need to switch from rhb equity > rhb money market , rhb money market > other rhb equity funds , if you switch to other rhb funds other the rhb money market fund , you'll be charge rm25 switching fee

i think for rhb smart series, you can switch for free also, rhb smart treassure > rhb smart income (earn point) , rhb smart income > rhb smart treassure (earn point).

do note , each fund house has different minimum switching amount.
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Really? dasecret siad direct switching won't incur charges. rclxub.gif No credit points to play with. sad.gif
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post Dec 9 2016, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 9 2016, 12:13 PM)
Your question is intra fundhouse la, EI equity fund to another EI equity fund

If you want to switch from kapchai to ponzi 2.0 without incurring additional sales charge, have to use credit ninja lor
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Yup that's what I want. Eastspring to another eastspring.
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post Dec 11 2016, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Dec 11 2016, 01:28 PM)
Currently FSM only have selective fund with 1% service charge. So eunittrust has better deal with 0%sc for most funds and no platform fee (for Rm5k and above)?
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Yup. If you can fork out the min RM5k/fund.
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post Dec 11 2016, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 11 2016, 01:42 PM)
hmm.gif kind of remind me of a simple analogy......
there are mamak store that sell coffee at a much cheaper price with great free roadside parking facilities.
there are Starbuck that sell coffee at a much higher price with parking charges too
wondering why people still flocks to Starbuck?

with the need to have RM 5k to save the 1%SC.
and does the Eunitrust web interface, easy of use and contents any where close to FSM?

i just feel better and have more trust in FSM than Eunitrust by just looking at the web....and i don't have RM5K to buy or top up.
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If I have RM5k to topup everytime they have that promo, I will choose eUT anytime but sadly I don't have RM5k cry.gif
One can just use info from FSM then buy directly from eUT to maximise savings.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 12 2016, 11:25 AM)
What's wrong with Asian market today? Seems to be in shit. Lucky no trading for Malaysia, else will also in deeper shit.
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Feds going to rise rates what.
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post Dec 12 2016, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Dec 12 2016, 11:55 AM)
What about 0%sc, how frequent?
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I think 3-4x/year. I remembered seeing 0% already 2x.
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post Dec 13 2016, 10:51 AM

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Well I noticed that Ponzi 1 reduce Malaysia allocation slightly. From 33%, now it's 31%

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post Dec 13 2016, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 13 2016, 11:33 AM)
2% reduction is too negligible
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Exactly. Should have reduce at least 10%

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