Eh so light? Cannot build muscle liao like that

Ok then let's compare apple to apple.
m43 300mm f4 and FF 600mm f4 aperture close down to f8 both at iso100 in good lighting to eliminate sensor advantage. Any difference in image quality?

Yes I claim phone camera is King - king of portability.

This post has been edited by COOLPINK: Nov 1 2019, 09:50 PM

I only care aperture as opening, means getting higher shutter speed. Also the price, m43 f2.8 lens price usually near to ff f4 lens price.
Size and weight advantage, and usually slightly better corner sharpness.

No need entertain troller.

That was the point. I don't see any FF manufacturer will market "f8 lens" to FF users. And I'm not arguing m43 quality lens line up. I'm critisizing people making wrong equivalent to FF like comparing f4 600m FF to f4 600mm m43 lens.

Again don't get me wrong. Between 600mm f4 m43 and 600mm f4 FF, I would choose m43 one 10 out of 10 times just cause its light weight and portable. But I'm not stupid enough to make comparison to FF since the light output wouldn't be the same since it be f8 equivalent performance on FF.

Of course not if you close it down to f8. And the sensor advantage IS part of the light performance if you trying to make comparison like that, walau eh.

But read your original argument first when u try to compare weight based on their supposedly "equivalent f4".

Somehow this beginning to stray into FF vs m43 war when I'm not even hinting at that. m43 lens has their own advantage which is lightweight and portable and got some good sharp lenses but really no need to compare to FF, APSC or whatever medium format lah. I always cringe when people try to compare lenses meant for different system like comparing expensive cine lens to cheaper photo lens.

This post has been edited by TrialGone: Nov 1 2019, 11:57 PM

Trying to correct a little bit of misconception on lens sizes between different system, kena called troller pula.

Also (say sensor between FF and m43 is the same but m43 is just a 2xcrop of FF sensor) because m43 tend to have lower iso performance than FF so shutter speed between m43 with f2.8 lens and ff with f4 lens would be almost the same, unless m43 sensor iso performance is much better than FF depending on technology.

Again not dissing m43, calm down. Cameras like GH4 and GH5 wouldn't be popular for a reason.

Original post simply put m43 lens weight into perspective. There's no 'light performance' comparison.
Until 'someone' jump in, which felt like troller just fine to me.

Cause if u compare the light performance the weight will make sense. U need bigger lense to collect more light, more lenses inside to correct distortion, and corner sharpness thus heavier weight.

I thought u guys knew that already. Its physics.

M43 advantage is because the light circle on sensor is smaller, thus they can have smaller lens. BUT because the sensor is smaller ISO performance will be worse than eqv. FF sensor, so need to compensate with larger aperture. Therfore "theoretical" to get equivalent to say FF f4.0 lens light performance, u need m43 f2.0 lens which makes the both lens similar in size and weight.

This post has been edited by TrialGone: Nov 2 2019, 01:18 PM

You want apple to apple comparison right?

Again we are comparing physical properties of the lenses not entire systems.

U do know tat an f4 lens let's through the same amount of light regardless if it is m43, apsc or FF?
Same light but different circle size.

This post has been edited by COOLPINK: Nov 2 2019, 06:19 PM

Excuse me... Do any of u know where can have technician who can fix Olympus fl600r.

Adui.....I gave up.....I thought quite clear that Im comparing physical lenses but need proper context in terms of FF and m43 system to understand but man....... Just out of curiosity I searched through the utube to see if better explanation and found this, even time stamped for you:

https://youtu.be/hi_CkZ0sGAw?t=612

Take it or leave it.

Also explained in the video link if you rewind from the start. This is getting too lengthy of explanation if you don't know much technical stuff. Btw, technically because FF light circle is bigger than m43 at same exposure, I was right that the "total amount of light" on FF is more than m43. What you suppose to say is "exposure" (amount of light per unit area) is the same.

This post has been edited by TrialGone: Nov 2 2019, 06:53 PM

Wat seems to be the problem with the flash?

Did you try Olympus malaysia?
Can get a quote if not too expensive can let them repair it.

I gave up already.

It's like when a casual weight comparison between Vios and Mazda 2, then random people jump in and said Civic is larger and faster. Like WTF

I will leave the technical stuff to the engineers.
I am now enjoying my photography more with MFT due to the Best ratio of price, weight and size.
And the 5 axis stabilization
And the weatherproof, splashproof, dustproof allow me to have peace of mind in wet caves, rough seaside and dusty volcanoes.

FF is for professionals who really need to print big big or need to get a photo in really really dark situation.

Well whatever, they r right. This thread full of fanboysim. Already said this is just to correct misconception about lens sizes, weight whatever between systems. Not boasting about any systems being superior than others, sharing wat I learn when I decide to purchase my first dedicated camera and I get called trolls pula..... Probably last time discussing anything here.

Yeah sure FF lens weight > than m43 lens if that is how simple some mind can take.

This post has been edited by TrialGone: Nov 3 2019, 01:35 AM

A simple lens' weight discussion, someone jump in and put technical stuff, performance stuff, misconception etc. A SIMPLE LENS WEIGHT DISCUSSION

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This post has been edited by huislaw: Nov 3 2019, 03:05 PM

People who get into M43 already know the superiority of larger sensor. But most of us don't need the low light performance or shallow depth of field from larger sensor. M43 is light, affordable and fulfill our photography needs. If we are chasing numbers and pixelpeeping the photos we tool we might as well go jump to MF which makes FF camera looks puny.

And if you want to compare their lens weight with equivalent light performance, M.Zuiko 45mm F1.2 is 410g while a smaller equivalent aperture FE 90mm F2.8 weight 50% more at 603g