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 Why people fear of MLM ?, Do you guy really understand wat is MLM?

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post May 7 2008, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(meiyan07 @ May 7 2008, 12:05 PM)
i never say i am jobless. I just unemployed 6months after graduate from Tourism management. And I am not a medical student also.


Didn't you say this ?

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I'm Medical Student....i need to film 3-5 progress of bone replacement during in operation theater. So my budget is around RM 2000-4000. Not too heavy or big.


QUOTE(meiyan07 @ May 7 2008, 12:05 PM)
In conclusion, I am here not promoting product...just a comment. Pls don't take it so seriously. It just a blog.  biggrin.gif


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Nimzai
post May 7 2008, 04:33 PM

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i think the only explanation to meiyan's action is that she might have multiple or split personality disorder .. monday she is in tourism field.. then tuesday medical field.. wats next ?!

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post May 7 2008, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(Nimzai @ May 7 2008, 03:55 PM)
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Since meiyan dont want to share the differences between network 21 and other Amway network.. mayb i could help her out here.. lol

First of all.. our marketing plan is the same.. our products is the same.. our bonus and reward system is the same.. the difference between N21 with others is the way they build their network.. they uses a system called "Pipeline system" to build network.. how this pipeline system work is actually when new distributor comes in.. they will place the new distributor in depth under one line.. this is to boost the sale volume of one line.. this however is violating the Amway rules of conduct. In May 2008 Amway month magazine, it stated that "Stacking is an unacceptable business building practice. It is defined as the practice of an upline Distributor placing new distributor in depth, regardless of whether there are relationships between those who are sponsored and those who sponsor" (quoted from Amway magazine).

Im not trying to say that N21 is not good.. there are pros and cons using their pipeline system.. but now amway make it clear that the way they doing is violating the Amway rules of conduct.. So i really dono whether they are still using the same system.. hope not.. this is becoz the pipeline system will cause many problems in the future.. y i say so ? becoz one of my fren was once in the N21 group.. but she found out that there's alot of problems with the system.. and later quit the business

As for other network.. N21 like to call other networks the "Conventional" way of doing amway.. we dont simply place new distributor wherever we want.. or put them indepth under one line.. the new distributor is urs if he agree to join u.. we dont put him in other group.. wat i pointed out is the major difference of N21 with other groups.. there might be other system used by other groups.. but i have no idea bout that ^^

Hope i answer wat boon want to know..
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If I understood correctly, it's basically to put all "potential" hard sales recruiter under one line thus to build the strength of that particular line while the more slow or laid back or non-active members under different line/lines. Thus the incentive earnings and bonus paid out for the first line doesn't really get affected.
Btw, a lot of MLM tactics currently are revolving around that method. So some companies implemented policies whereby you need at least certain amount of lines to be active to entitled for certain percentage of "bonus".

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QUOTE(Nimzai @ May 7 2008, 04:33 PM)
i think the only explanation to meiyan's action is that she might have multiple or split personality disorder .. monday she is in tourism field.. then tuesday medical field.. wats next ?!
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Thanks for the explanation about the "pipeline system" and give us a brief overview about N21. Even the reputable Amway is unable to get its own member to behave.

I do not care about what MY has to say in other post, one can say he/she is an astronaut or work in Astro. By reading this thread alone the least you can conclude is this is NOT the kind of upline to follow. Next she could say Yusuana is good.
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post May 8 2008, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ May 7 2008, 06:36 PM)
If I understood correctly, it's basically to put all "potential" hard sales recruiter under one line thus to build the strength of that particular line while the more slow or laid back or non-active members under different line/lines. Thus the incentive earnings and bonus paid out for the first line doesn't really get affected.
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I'm not sure whether they put all potential distributor under one line or wat.. but i know they use the pipeline system to boost the sales volume of one line before opening a new line.. this is wat i know la

QUOTE(rexis @ May 8 2008, 09:45 AM)
Thanks for the explanation about the "pipeline system" and give us a brief overview about N21. Even the reputable Amway is unable to get its own member to behave.

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No problem.. just sharing wat i know la.. This is the first time i see amway publishing such thing.. so i think its a warning for N21.. dono whether they will change their way or not.. hopefully they will la.. if not more n more problems will occur.. zzz
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QUOTE(Nimzai @ May 8 2008, 12:25 PM)
I'm not sure whether they put all potential distributor under one line or wat.. but i know they use the pipeline system to boost the sales volume of one line before opening a new line.. this is wat i know la
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That's my best bet. If I'm seriously thinking of earning fast; that's how I ensure my income generator. Concentrating on 1 line, thus I have to make sure that the line I'm concentrating on has the potential. Than I'll than create another non-active line to park other non-active members and another line to park potential bloomers. Cosway have certain incentive plan directed to curb this method; but it's still open to abuse. (They change their incentive plan I think 6-7 years ago if I'm not mistaken to try and curb this practice)
Is Amway doing anything or implement any policy on line cutting? i.e. can I cut one person to park under another line? A lot of MLM companies have this in place but there's always loop holes to go about it.

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As far as i know.. its not allowed to cut one person on put under another line.. even today when a distributor quit amway.. he is not allowed to join any other group for 6 months.. this is to protect the upline's benefit.. Also.. we r not supposed to "pull" ppl from another group to our group..

Amway never change their marketing plan since the company founded till now.. but they did improve the marketing plan by adding new bonuses.. no less but more ^^
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lolz...
If I understood correctly, it's basically to put all "potential" hard sales recruiter under one line thus to build the strength of that particular line while the more slow or laid back or non-active members under different line/lines. Thus the incentive earnings and bonus paid out for the first line doesn't really get affected.
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if you understand the sales marketing plan for Amway good enough...
you will know that by stacking new people under one line...
it will be very VERY unfair to the person who found the new downline at first place...

a very significant and big loss...
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post May 8 2008, 03:18 PM

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Yes.. i doubt they are putting all potential recruit under one line.. wat they does is to all new distributor under one line and when that line reaches certain level.. then only they move on to build the next line

Yeap.. if you understand the Amway marketing plan well.. and by using this pipeline system.. u will only earn fast money.. but not long term money.. and by doing so.. it will be hard to manage your team..


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post May 8 2008, 03:23 PM

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If I am in that "pipeline system", then I will just sit around to wait for new recruit to be added into my downline, keke.

http://www.tipskey.com/article/read_this_before_joining_mlm

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post May 8 2008, 03:48 PM

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U might not want to sit there waiting for new recruit.. coz when they reaches a certain level.. they move on to build another line.. there wont be anymore new distributor in the 1st line.. this is how they do la.. but im not sure bout other MLM groups

This is a very detailed articles.. gives u lots of information on MLM.. but the writer assume too many things.. its based on his personal opinion.. no facts to back him up.. but still i will recommend ppl to read bout it.. to understand bout MLM business.. and avoid being con by any MLM companies ^^
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post May 8 2008, 03:48 PM

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just spell MLM like this mlm what do you see smile.gif money dont come easy
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post May 8 2008, 03:51 PM

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Yea.. MLM business is not like wat ppl claim to be.. u cannot get rich without working hard.. and i think building the business slowly and steadily is better.. than to invest big bucks to earn fast money..

And i believe.. not just MLM .. any business.. or even any job is not easy.. there's no easy way to success.. u must work for it.. same goes to MLM.. u have to work for it ^^
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last time after spm tot wana earn money fast so join mlm,, my dad scold me like a dog for a merely 90bux joining fees..now i understand why...

A friend keep telling me he buying civic after 3 months,,now a year adi still driving proton

Another friend who is one of the fellas at the top bought 3 series,,after 6 months sold off coz cant pay installment and now working in bank

both come back to me, tell me not to join mlm lol
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post May 8 2008, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(marky @ May 8 2008, 03:56 PM)
last time after spm tot wana earn money fast so join mlm,, my dad scold me like a dog for a merely 90bux joining fees..now i understand why...

A friend keep telling me he buying civic after 3 months,,now a year adi still driving proton

Another friend who is one of the fellas at the top bought 3 series,,after 6 months sold off coz cant pay installment and now working in bank

both come back to me, tell me not to join mlm  lol
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You see, this is the false hope which I mentioned before. i.e. selling of dreams instead of promoting the product which they are being recruited for. This mentality of thinking money can be earned in a fast way doing MLM is the effect from all these non responsible MLM recruiters.

MLM like other businesses do take time to build. A lot just don't understand that. Same to those who whine when they fail than claim that MLM is bad without understanding MLM concept. Maybe we can blame the recruiters which doesn't educate these fellows adequetly but instead selling them a dream. However, honest still falls on the shoulder of the guy being recruited to do his own research and analysis which they don't.

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i guess naive and desperate is the key haha

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post May 8 2008, 07:53 PM

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any statistic on the number of people joining MLM in terms of how many became successful? how many lost interest or quit?
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QUOTE(Nimzai @ May 5 2008, 04:47 PM)
MLM is not a bad.. its just another business opportunity.. Im an amway distributor.. my parents is in the business for more than 20 years now.. before i was born.. and they are executive diamonds (if you know wats that ><")..

i grow up in an amway family.. went overseas with my parents to many countries.. and i know what well Amway treat their distributor.. even when i was a kid.. they treated me really well.. (Amway travel seminar is FOC if u qualified for it.. and u even get pocket money when u reach there)..

but this is not important.. Its not alwiz bout earning big bucks.. life is not just bout earning money.. u dont have to be in MLM field to earn good money.. u can earn good money elsewhere.. i respect ppl in other field and professions.. different ppl have different preferences and different ways to live their life..

But there are many more good values behind the company.. the values and vision of the two founders of Amway really impressed me.. this is why after i graduated from my studies ( degree in psychology) i choose Amway.. at least its a really good company for me.. i can earn good money in my own professions.. if u ask me.. i will tell u that i dont like to sell things to ppl.. but i just treat it as a business.. my own business..

Many ppl fear of MLM.. mayb becoz some ppl do it in an extreme way.. some people are just too aggressive.. that is why ppl feel annoyed by them.. but in everywhere MLM company.. i believe there are good and bad ppl.. it just depends on how they do it.. just like LB.. i believe there are still ppl who do it using the right way.. i also believe that there are ppl who are doing amway using the wrong way.. so it just depends on wat kinda ppl u met..

To answer some of boon's question.. different group of ppl in amway uses slightly different method in building their network.. but they are all doing the amway business.. as for network 21.. they are using the pipeline system.. and for meiyan.. im not trying to offend you.. if you think that network 21 is the best.. think bout it again.. have a look in the recent amagram where amway banned the stacking system..

for maintaining 5k per months.. it depends on how big your network is.. if your network is big.. the sales volume for you and each and everyone in your group will be very lil.. but u can earn 5k just be selling products all by urself.. personal sales also possible to earn 5k a month.. so it really depends.. if you would like to know more.. i can explain more detail to you..  just answering your question.. i wont force you to join.. haha..

this is wat i think la.. if u wana flame me.. go ahead lo.. im just sharing my view ><"
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i'm doubt tat wat u've told us here izzit true. i saw ur thread:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/690070

y do u need to hv a partime job since u r doing so well in ur amway business? this really makes me feel tat u r just cheating to show us how good is the mlm but without telling us the truth tat u cant survive if u dun find other partime job.
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post May 8 2008, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(whirlwind @ May 8 2008, 07:53 PM)
any statistic on the number of people joining MLM in terms of how many became successful? how many lost interest or quit?
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http://www.google.com/search?client=safari...=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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hehe....
one thing you all need to know is that when it is your parents earn all the money and the assets and the cars and the houses.... basically it can only mean one thing...
all is your PARENTS stuff...

That is why it is normal for Nimzai to look for a job to supplement his income....

Can you all imagine someone who grow up depending on their parents for everything???

Amway is the only company... but there is many people who uses different ways to build Amway business...

Some recruits people.... some only sell products.... some use the illegal way of stacking... while there are some people who uses the teachings of Bible to create the Amway business plan...

Miss Yen...
is there any problem wit Nimzai doing his conventional way of work even though his parents earn more than rm15k a month?

If your parents earn the same figure...
Will you follow nimzai footsteps of trying to create his own life and dreams or will you bask in your parents shadows and successes doing nothing and just living your life away doing nothing???

Lolz... no offenses ya...

jus a cookie for your thought...

One should learn to be independent...
and one should never look at a perspective 180 degrees...
there is still another 180 degrees that you haven't see....

tata!!!


Added on May 8, 2008, 9:16 pmBehind every cloud there is a silver lining...
every businesses and works in life one is bound to meet obstacles...
it is the attitude of how you manage it determines your success in life...
it is your Attitude in life that determines your altitude in life!!!!!!!!

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