i'm sure u didnt really read the whole content of his post. if u really read every single word, u can c he actually did join amway n he said so much good things about amway. he didnt mention he depend on his parents to gv him pocket money. if he did so y should he join amway? n i'm sure he can wait both of them touch wood pass away then his parents amway business will b passed to him. pls read every single word b4 u do any comment. if he really think amway is so good y should he find a partime job?

I think u have really serious problems with ur personal values.. and u really offended me with ur childish thinking

FIRST.. I supported Amway in many ways because i know how good it is and i grow up in this busines.. i'm proud to say i grow up in an amway family..

Second.. I just started buildling my Amway business.. do u understand wats the meaning of just started ? if you understand how MLM works.. at least using the conventional way and not investing like 30k into it.. it takes time to build up a business.. i just started this business like 5 months ago.. and i do it part time.. i started during my final semester.. i can only do it part time..

Third.. im looking for a job is becoz i nid a backup income.. do u understand wats a backup income ? also.. the job im looking for enables me to meet more people and ofcoz they are more potential prospect.. this is why im looking for a job.. my parents wanted me to start off full time.. but i told them i want to go out and experience the working world.. they have pampered me all these years.. dont let me to work part time job during my school holiday.. they would rather gimme money.. but i realize that this is not wat i want.. i wana experience the working world.. and i know by doing so i will understand how people out there feel.. and this would help me in my personal growth

Fourth.. let me ask u a question ..do u want to depend on your parents for the rest of your life ? do u want to live under your parents shadow ? listening to ppl saying " you r dat who's son" ... i want to be myself... i want to be independent.. i wana success in my own amway business.. i wan ppl to recognizes me becoz i am who i am .. not becoz i am someonelse's son !!

Fifth.. not to offend u.. but do u hope for ur parents to die ? I DONT !! I DONT !! do u feel happy for take over your parents business becoz they r dead ? I DONT !!! i want them to live as long as they could.. and i wana earn my own money .. build my own business !!! Think bout it yourself !!! even i know that one day i will take over the business.. but that might be 30 or 40 years from now... my dad is just 47 this year.. and im 23.. so do u want me to take money from my parents for the rest of my life ? if you think that way..shame on you.. shame on you.. if im your parents.. seeing you being so useless.. i'll be real sad..

Think bout it urself...

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Added on May 9, 2008, 1:24 amEverything i say here is true.. its just whether u choose to believe or not !! Im here to share wat i know bout MLM.. particularly bout Amway.
Also.. dont ask rookieslayer to read properly when you yourself CANNOT read properly.. i never say that im earning good money in Amway.. i can be honest enough to tell everyone that im not earning good money YET.. but i know i will..

If you think that u r smart enough to point out that im looking for a job here in LYN ..think twice !!!!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

This post has been edited by Nimzai: May 9 2008, 01:26 AM

That is why ppl currently all mistook MLM as recruiters are selling dreams as I've previously mentioned. So can't really blame yen1022 for being skeptical. As I see a lot of this mentality out there too.

yen1022, pls do read my comment and try to understand.



btw, I'm not in MLM but I see the hardship my mum went through to build her network and steady income. Like taking 10 years and all. And she's till currently working waiting for retirement age soon while earning passive income of minimum RM7k from her MLM effort. No, she's not in Amway. She's in Cosway.

There's also one thing in life I saw.
Do you guys ever noticed that while a person is doing sales (MLM, Insurance, Unit Trust, etc..) part time while having a full time job; their success rate is higher? I.e. once they quit their full time job and do sales full time, a lot would fail. Reason being previously they consider the sales as part time, thus they have time and patience which they do not depend on the income there to survive because of a full time job.
But when they go full time into sales, the income now is from their sales itself. So it's only natural for them to push really hard for it as their livings depend on it. Thus a lot of time, no more mr nice guy. They can't be patience no longer unless they have big savings or network is already built up.

Ok, I'm not in sales too. That is why I'm also not in sales. Gosh, I talk like an old fag while I'm in my late twenties........

This post has been edited by b00n: May 9 2008, 09:55 AM

haiz.....boon wat u wan me to explain!!!!! N21 is just a support system for Amway group!!! Understand. JUst different group different strategy. No much different.

If u wan need deeply explanation...i cannot help. Because I am not the 1st person who create this system. I am not the person who brought this system to Amway. I just can promote this system to people. Many people using this system to success in Amway.

This system is same like u take a part-time course in ur college to upgrade urself. This the simplest answer. Listen to Cds, go seminar, go for training, reading books and do paperwork. That all.

If u still said I still not explain anything to u. Pls go to Amway Meeting in every Tuesday in Taman Tun Ismail, KL. Location Wisma Women Institute of Management , time: 8pm-930pm...


That all I can say....For further information pls visit Amway website. U can choose to listen or u can choose not to listen to me. This just a blog. Some people think MLM no need to fear of. Some people think MLM is cheating or makes uplines richer.

Not all MLM is like that. Last but not least...I am not promote anything here.

Thanks you

Why why ppl still do amway? Its been in m'sia for like 30 yearss....Nowadays cant do amway anymore...

Lets move on to USANA!

haiz...another reply again.....That was not me.....who want to buy the digital camcoder....... Is my frenz who use my account to online....askin for help....He is a Medical Student in MAHSA College. I am Tourism Student in MAtta....Different.......Pls dun misunderstanding..... I am not copy n paste.......Pls read carefully....next day time....

He don't create any account in Lowyat so I am his frenz. Now....no need ppl help... Dvd camcorder already brought. Not in LowYat.

Further to the above comments, read my comment and try to comprehend:
It was you who mentioned that N21 is best and different from others. So honest is on you to tell us the difference.
It was you who made all the above bold statement and yet to explain on it when confronted besides rounding in circles. All I asked is basically on what basis you come up with those statements.
It's like I would say....Cosway is the best! Than you ask me "Why Cosway is the best?" and I answer "come lar....it's the best; why you don't believe? You don't believe than join our group seminars lar...."
The actual method and I think you should learn in order to be successful is: When you come up with a certain BOLD statement, you have to be able to defend that by explaining, apple to apple comparison, i.e. you need to convince ppl. But nope, instead of doing that; you accuse ppl of not understanding while you never explained.

Like I mentioned before, look at how Nimzai compose his reply and learn from there. But sad to say, you never learn!



Anyway regarding this statement of yours:
"Outside people don't like, or bullshit or mention Amway is cheating people. They are not believe in Amway. "
Have you ever realise that those ppl that you mentioned above, majority comes from members or ex-members of Amway?!
And do you understand why?!.....If not, try to digest the last few post I posted and try to understand it!

Now, seriously looking at your way of replying and comprehending discussions and debates I'm more worried about your success in this business or "investment" like you put it. Maybe in a year time, it was you who comes out with comments like the above statement of yours: "bullshit or mention Amway is cheating people."

This post has been edited by b00n: May 9 2008, 06:39 PM

well i'm soli perhaps u didnt really c wat i'm really writing. i'm talking to rookieslayer n did i personally offend u? if u think so then i oso tot tat u r much more childish than me. the words tat u posted here is all rubbish n oso a way to offend me. if u really tat smart then perhaps u dun need to find other jobs. better just work for amway. i comment about rookieslayer is becos he said u find partime job is becos u dun 1 2 depends on ur parents. some more i never said 1 both ur parents to die. i adi said touch wood is i no amway got this policy. wat i'm trying to clarify to him is i think he didnt really c tat u've personally join amway n not waiting for ur parents to pass the business to u. he just said u dun 1 2 depend on ur family so u find a partime job. i personally join amway b4 n of cuz i did c those successful couple's children did join amway without depend on da family. i told him tat if u really did well in ur amway business then u shouldnt hv find a partime job. if i no tat u did post wat u've posted here then i wouldnt ask u this question.

perhaps i'll clarify to u y i ask u this question again cuz u might not really read n understand. i no u join amway without depends on ur parents as u did hv a choice not to join n wait for the business to pass over to u. wat i dun really agree is since the way u share is really like u r doing well in ur amway business. tats y i'm asking u y u need to find a partime job since ur sharing seems so good. o u might think izzit u urself who over sharing n never share tat u didnt really get a stable income? this is da point y i 1 2 ask u tat question. i'm not trying to offend u but since tat ur brain doesnt work well then wat to do.

u urself never mention in previous post tat u 1 2 do wat do wat so dun try to blame me. dun victimize lar small kid. i think u urself who dunno how to read. go back to ur school n study few yrs onli try to fight back lar.

Let me tell you what.. u mentioned that im just cheating to show us how good is the MLM but without telling you all the truth that i cant survivie if i dont find another job... THIS OFFENDED ME !!! im here to share what i know... im not here to promote the business or to recruti anyone..

What makes u think that answering well means that im success in the busniess ? I grow in an Amway business.. does it make sense to you why i can answer so well ? I've been listening to so many talks and seminar throughout my life.. way before i met the age requirements to join Amway..

Stp being stubborn.. i've stated there that I JUST STARTED building the business.. if Amway is a business that easily get rich.. then everyone who join Amway for few months will all be rich.. grow up.. this is a business.. you need to build the foundation.. you need time to build your business.. this applies to all business.. dont u undertand this simple concept ?

Also.. if you're thinking that one business or one job can get you success... then mayb u should read more books.. see how success ppl doing.. do u think uncle lim only owns genting ? do u know how many other field of business is he in?

U say i never mention in my previous post what im wanted to do ? Who do u think you r ? Do i nid to tell you why im getting a part time job ? Do i nid to announce to the world why im taking such action ? Dont be a smartass going around tellnig ppl that im cheating... im sharing what i know to our fellow forumers.. mayb u should look at what meiyan doing.. then you know the difference of sharing and promoting.. she's been promoting bout amway.. and im here to answer questions that boon and wodenus is asking..

Dont try to be a smartass assuming things.. assuming that sharing well bout the business means doing well in the business.. what makes u think so ? Dont assume.. if you're not sure.. ASK !! You dont even know the reason why im looking for a part time job.. you're just assuming that im not doing well in the business and looking for extra money .. AGAIN ..you r assuming..

Let me tell you why.. the reason why i wanted a job.. is becoz i wanted to know more people.. and i know that i can know many ppl through the job im looking for.. if you do some research.. do u know that the job im looking for is for ppl with minimum SPM certificate.. i can easily get a better in some bank or big company .. earning good money.. the pay for the job im looking is not high.. i really dont care too much bout the money or the future of my job.. coz i never plan to work long in the job im looking for.. i dare say that.. all i wanted is a job with flexible time and can let me know more people.. now you see why im looking for a job ?

If you think that im trying to cheat people here.. if you think that im trying to promote that business here.. if you think im trying to recruit ppl here .. IM OUT OF HERE !!!!

no fear of MLM but just no money or don't think want to spend the money to buy the products then they trying to escape from MLM.

money is in ur pocket , no one will steal it from u if u insist not to buy any of the products.

anyway, wat do u guys thinks about e.excel ?

holy smoke....
jus one day or two i don't online and the discussion macam ada bau terbakar je....
haha....

by the way...
Usana... I sini....
we talking bout amway so let's wait till Amway cerita habis we jus start discuss bout usana la k? so u stay sana first... haha...

first... It is good that you know that Amway business can be pass down from generations to generations BUT there is requirement for that...
Do you know the requirements?

If amway is good why he still find part time jobs?
Hmmm...
A human will learn much more faster and better when he met with failures or obstacles along the way...
If you grow up without any challenges and Under your parents successes all the time...
I think you are jus a waste on EARTH....
like wat Nimzai says...
Part time jobs enable him to find more people... more frenz...
and maybe there will be frenz who thinks Amway business is worth a shot..
and they can try their luck....
plus... with working.. one can widens their horizon...
like Rich Dad says...
widen their concept in life....
what they see in life vs what they hear from others....


I personally hate to work...
i can't imagine i need to work for 35 years and then retires... and expecting my sons to be the same as me... work for 35 years...

Humans are the greatest and smartest living being on Earth....
We are not meant to be average....!!!
hehe...

I know you are talking to me miss Yen1022...
but the topic we are talking are linked directly to NimZai....
so it is no wonder he will reply also...

and come on...
let's all stay cool ok?
it is just a discussion on Amway....

It doesn't matter if you dislike Amway or other MLM...
It won't make any difference in the life of the other MLM distributors...

By the way...
Congrats to Amway bcos theyare 4th time continuously for the best brand in Asia and Malaysia for their Nutrilite and Espring....

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Added on May 10, 2008, 12:51 amE excel....???
another MLM in malaysia lo...
however... you won't hear their name outside Malaysia as they are still not that... errmmm... famous yet...
lolz....

E excel is the logo wit a bird right?

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Added on May 10, 2008, 12:56 amhehe....
You talking bout where your meeting is and you say you not promoting anything?
lolz...
very cute lar you...
here is forum.. not blog....

and Boon...
if you got time... you go and read Rich Dad books la...
it will do wonders for all....

This post has been edited by rookieslayer: May 10 2008, 12:56 AM

errr....and what makes you think I never read his books?
Anyway, guessed you want me to read up the Cashflow Quadrant concept.

You might have missed this hot debate: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/662042 (no, I'm not in the fracas)

haha..
Boon... sorry if i offend you... hehe...
my words are kind of minced up... paiseh paiseh.... dun angry wit me ya..

and Boon... thanks for your thread....
however,,,
I love Rich Dad's books...
Jus like MLM... there is bound to be people criticizing him...
haha...

Depends on how people intepret the messages in the book...
What i learn is that people have many options in their life...
How you going to live your life?
what are the ways you are doing to live your life?

SOme people went into MLM believing that MLM is one of their options in life to leave the rat race...
Some people believe that humans are meant to be average... and stuck in the rat race...
Some people such as Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki believes that humans are meant to be great... and lived to prove it without joining any MLM...

Thru his books i learn a great deal on the theories of investing in real estates and theories of Financial Literacy also...
and i am slowly changing the financial sheet in my life thru his teachings..

so what if he is linked to Network 21 and Amway? it won't make any difference in our lives...

Coz the life is ours.... and only us can choose to have or not to have.... to do or not to do.... to be or not to be....

In my personal opinion...there is one thing i really sure that one should not masuk jadi member....
and that is Lampe Berger...

obscene price to become member...
weird products where you hidu the bau...
obscene price to buy the refill...
and also... everytime come out they jus lampe here.. berger there....

BMWs... Mercedez Benz...
every night they go out clubbing and bring you along...
after 2 weeks they will ask you...

"what you think of this life"
shiok or not?"

"you become burger kambing(pun intended..direct translation.. hehehehe ) member and you can become like us d"

credit card(parents card) swiped...
rm2500(got more higherprice) gone...
and what you get is empty promises and loads of perfume stuff in your room...

lolz....

above is my personal opinion only...
so to the guys and gals out there...

MLM is jus one option in life to earn money...

When the sales marketing plan sounds to good to be true... follow your instinct...
say No!!!

Remember this point...

A real business will rake in the money.... IF ONLY
IF ONLY...
products are sold.... or services are sold.....

There is no legitimate businesses in the world that can earn money by finding more people to masuk member,,,

people sell products... equals profit...
people sell services... equals profit...
people sell stocks... people sells options...
real estates...drinks....

even prostitutes who wan to earn money mus sell her flesh...

rm2500...member price....
you wan earn more money?
find more members to pay rm2500...
you will earn money...

terror le their sales marketing plan....

LOLZ....
Pyramid Scheme....

Kerana Nila Setitik...
Buruk susu sebelanga...

hehehe...
maybe got people already post this topic... sorry for so outdated ya...
maybe got people same as me.. new here....
jus my opinion ok?
haha....

now i understand how childish u r. so i wont gv any comment on ur post from now on. its really stupid to fight wif a kid.

haiyo....
please...
dun because of simple matters fight until there is no tomorrow....

well i said tat i wont fight wif a kid.

NO free lunch in the world, every field has its success and failure stories. No Pain no Gain. MLM meaning Multi Level Marketing. It is a business if you got the right Company, Product and Marketing Plan. It is suck if you choose wrongly.

Please be careful of fast money scheme company that try to cheat ppls.. but not all MLM is the same.

hehe...
baru jadi member can only means that Nimzai is around 18years old only..

Yup yup... truly agree that not all MLM is the same...

Got excel.. elken... diamond... amway.. herbalife... Usana Isini... easy phamax... etc etc...

they all boast of same goal... Financial freedom...
But their sales and marketing plan say otherwise...

so anyone interested to join MLM but dunno whether the company is good or not... hehe.. drop a post here...

i am sure many people are willing to lend their views...
lolz