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Fat & Fluffy
post Sep 30 2016, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(James831 @ Sep 30 2016, 07:46 PM)
How do you define achieve victory ?
SG ARMY occupied all the way to kl?
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depending on situation... in general is when all threats have been eliminated to an acceptable level... i dunnolol, me no general
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 30 2016, 04:38 PM)
I heard this anecdote from a Singaporean source that basically says 'in any war with Malaysia, Singapore must achieve victory within five days, if not we will lose the initiative and face possible collapse'.

Sounds like BS, but any idea if this has some grain of truth? :confused:
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30 days lah
Within that time they expect to win, reach a diplomatic solution or receive reinforcements (cough Murica cough)

Also got Singkie confidently tell me their spearhead can reach KL in 3 hours doh.gif guess that's why they always fly up the highway, they are practicing doh.gif doh.gif
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ADAS 2016: PT PAL readies for rectification works on the Philippine Navy's first SSV

Ridzwan Rahmat, Manila - IHS Jane's Navy International
29 September 2016

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PT PAL is working with the Philippine Navy to assess the extent of damages sustained by Tarlac, seen here during its commissioning in June 2016. Source: Philippine Navy

Indonesian shipbuilder PT PAL has confirmed that it is working with the Philippine Navy (PN) to determine the extent of damages sustained by the service's first-of-class strategic sealift vessel (SSV) in a collision on 19 September.

The landing platform dock (LPD)-like ship, BRP Tarlac, was anchored off Naval Station Romulo Espaldon in Mindanao when it was rammed by a Liberian-flagged product tanker, MT Tosca .

Initial assessments suggest the damages suffered in the incident are minor, and mostly localised in the ship's bow section at the point of impact.

"However, we are not taking any chances and our technicians are currently on the vessel to check the ship's vital components," said Tjahjono Yudo, PT PAL's general manager of corporate strategic planning, in a meeting with IHS Jane's at the ADAS 2016 defence exhibition in Manila on 29 September.

The inspections will cover components including the vessel's hydraulic systems, electrical systems, and hull scantlings to ensure the platform's structural integrity has not been compromised.

"We are standing by for the possibility that the vessel may be sent back to Surabaya for repair works in the worst-case scenario," said Tjahjono. But he added that this looks highly unlikely unless the technicians find major rectifications are required.


http://www.janes.com/article/64180/adas-20...avy-s-first-ssv


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post Sep 30 2016, 06:45 PM

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Poland Upgrades Soviet-Origin Land Military Hardware

(Source: TASS Defense; published Sept 05, 2016)

MOSCOW --- Warsaw is upgrading the pieces of land military hardware inherited from the Soviet Union and former state members of the Warsaw Pact in order to increase the level of compliance with the armed forces of NATO nations. However, the share of the Soviet-originated equipment in service with the Polish army remains high.

In late August 2016, Poland`s media released a footage, showing the demonstrator of an upgraded PT-91 Twardy [a modification of T-72M1 - TASS] main battle tank developed by the OBRUM design bureau and manufactured by the Zaklady Mechaniczne Bumar-Labedy SA. The combat vehicle was designated as PT-16. It received a 120mm STANAG-compatible main gun designed by Polish Huta Stalowa Wola SA.

The vehicle was supposed to be able to fire all types of tank munitions [including armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding sabot (APFSDS), high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT), and high-explosive (HE) rounds - TASS] used by the armed forces of NATO state members. TASS supposes that the vehicle received an autoloader developed by the Polish industry that replaced the ageing one of PT-91/T-72M1 MBTs.

The tank's armour protection was drastically reinforced over its predecessors. The frontal arc of PT-16 was shored up with composite armour plates that allowed increasing of the vehicle's front protection to 1,000 mm of rolled homogeneous armour (RHA) against HEAT rounds [it is equal to the armour protection of the Leopard 2A5 main battle tank - TASS]. The MBT is planned to get an advanced fire control system (FCS), as well as turret and main gun electric drives with digital control. PT-16 is powered by single V-46TK (1,000 h.p.) multi-fuel diesel engine designed by the Serbian defense industry.

The main gun was complemented by the ZSDU Korbuz remote controlled weapon station (RCWS) armed with a 12.7mm WKM-Bm [a licensed copy of the Soviet NSVT light weapon - TASS] heavy machinegun chambered for 12.7x99mm STANAG 4383 cartridge. The WKM-Bm machinegun is produced by the Tarnuv Mechanical Plant. The PT-16 program was implemented within six months [including the manufacturing of the demonstrator - TASS] by the Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa SA (PGZ) consortium, using the enterprise's own funds.

Despite the decline to upgrade the PT-91 Twardy tanks announced by the Polish Defense Ministry, the national military has revealed its interest in the PT-16 MBT, according to PGZ. The company is planning to conduct the negotiations over PT-16 development and further acquisition with Poland's Land Forces at the MSPO 2016 defense show in Kielce that will open on September 6.

At present, the Polish military operates a mixture of Leopard 2A4/2A5, T-72M1, and PT-91 main battle tanks. According to the Military Balance 2016 report issued by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), Warsaw has 971 MBT in service, including 142 Leopard 2A4, 91 Leopard 2A5, 233 PT-91 Twardy, and 505 T-72/T-72M1/T-72M1D tanks. Hence, the venerable T-72 tank previously produced in Poland under the license granted by the Soviet Union remains the backbone of the Polish Land Forces. Considering the lack of the national Defense Ministry's intention to update the Twardy tanks, the ageing T-72/T-72M1/T-72M1D MBT might be rebuilt into PT-16s in a long-term perspective.
Read more: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-...ed-weapons.html



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post Sep 30 2016, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Sep 30 2016, 05:26 PM)
very true.. drawn up 40-50 years ago.. still the current doctrine... swift and decisive  bruce.gif  flex.gif
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I hear main cause is that singapore military actually dont have that much strategic logistic capability to carry on an offensive for an extended time.

Something like if the main objectives of a major assault isnt concluded in a certain number of days,they'll have trouble regarding supplies because the military isn't structured to venture very far from singapore island itself.

Also I hear the main strategy in a war with malaysia would be establishing a sustainable buffer zone instead of looking to defeat the malaysian armed forces in detail as they simply aren't structured for a long campaign.
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Royal Thai Army T-84 Oplot-M. Photo by Moo Pheromone's.

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http://thaidefense-news.blogspot.co.id/2016/09/2-2.html?m=1






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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 30 2016, 09:39 PM)
I hear main cause is that singapore military actually dont have that much strategic logistic capability to carry on an offensive for an extended time.

Something like if the main objectives of a major assault isnt concluded in a certain number of days,they'll have trouble regarding supplies because the military isn't structured to venture very far from singapore island itself.

Also I hear the main strategy in a war with malaysia would be establishing a sustainable buffer zone instead of looking to defeat the malaysian armed forces in detail as they simply aren't structured for a long campaign.
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waaa, you hear a lot er.. rclxms.gif
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Kenya Air Force Puma Helicopter Crashes in Wajir

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A Kenya Airforce plane crashed on Friday noon at Eldas in Wajir County.

The plane, KAF Puma Helicopter 415, was on its way to a recruitment exercise.

According to media reports, those on board escaped with minor injuries. The cause of the crash is yet to be established.


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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 30 2016, 04:38 PM)
I heard this anecdote from a Singaporean source that basically says 'in any war with Malaysia, Singapore must achieve victory within five days, if not we will lose the initiative and face possible collapse'.
Sounds like BS, but any idea if this has some grain of truth? confused.gif
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basically 24h enough for SG technically Win.
in 2hrs time our Airforce already end war with SG, SG take over Air dominate。 24h can take over Johor basically end thread to SG, all base just waiting booming by SG jet, remember they have tanker and AEW.
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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Sep 30 2016, 08:23 PM)
waaa, you hear a lot er..  rclxms.gif
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Wanna gain military intel have to keep ears open la. laugh.gif

Again,this anecdote is said to be from an inside man in SAF itself. He stated that while the SAF is highly mechanized, it has relatively small numbers of logistics assets.
Any offensive has to be short and sharp, or risk consuming more supplies that the logistics tail can send forward.

Also said is that any assault would involve the professionals in the SAF only, as this source indicated that the reservists and NS men are unsuited for an extended campaign and will only be stationed in the defense of singapore island only.

I wouldnt be surprised if this is some sort of fiction,but on a harder look there may be grains of truths in the story.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 1 2016, 12:55 AM)
basically 24h enough for SG technically Win. 
in 2hrs time our Airforce already end war with SG, SG take over Air dominate。 24h can take over Johor basically end thread to SG, all base just waiting booming by SG jet, remember they have tanker and AEW.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 1 2016, 12:55 AM)
basically 24h enough for SG technically Win. 
in 2hrs time our Airforce already end war with SG, SG take over Air dominate。 24h can take over Johor basically end thread to SG, all base just waiting booming by SG jet, remember they have tanker and AEW.
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If this is the case I'll volunteer for (or even organize) an insurgent guerrilla group looking to covertly undermine the Singaporean occupation of Johor. If the SAF really want to occupy Johor, let's see how many NS men's blood is worth it.

Which malaysian patriots here in /k will (hypothetically) join me? laugh.gif
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errr.. i think country a vs country b discussion is not encouraged in this tered lar

not sure but past tered ts yinchet can clarify?
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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Oct 1 2016, 01:25 AM)
Nahh we not that serious. SG and MY dont do war. SG will always be part of MY. and u not going hurting yourself unless u r mad person.
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mohon sifu putin teach us how to annex Tringapore peacefully icon_question.gif icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Oct 1 2016, 01:20 AM)
errr.. i think country a vs country b discussion is not encouraged in this tered lar

not sure but past tered ts yinchet can clarify?
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I think we just voicing out opinion on a hypothetical scenario. See previous posts,if ts think any are over the line feel free to take action.

Also I like to think we here at military /k are more reasonable and have better grasp of military realities than people at regular /k, amirite?

certainly not to MALAYSIA STRONKl! NO,SINGAPORE STRONK! primary school levels.laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Gregyong @ Oct 1 2016, 01:48 AM)
mohon sifu putin teach us how to annex Tringapore peacefully  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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That's a topic of another thread for another day perhaps. smile.gif
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how do you define victory against Msia? flat out reach Putrajaya in <1 week?

complete disability of our military assets, rendering us defenseless?

or complete wipe out until Perlis?

just remember this, wars are not won on battlefields, its logistics

you can have the strongest most invincible army/navy/airforce but if you have no ammo nor manpower, how do you field them?
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Any scenarios involving Singapore and Malaysia going to war belongs in a novel or in a military academy syllabus because it doesn't make sense at the present day.

there is no reason for both countries to be at each other throats other than to satisfy the fantasies of immature people who have the luxury of not seeing the true face of war.bersyukur dengan keamanan yang ada people

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Oct 1 2016, 02:12 AM)
how do you define victory against Msia? flat out reach Putrajaya in <1 week?

complete disability of our military assets, rendering us defenseless?

or complete wipe out until Perlis?

just remember this, wars are not won on battlefields, its logistics

you can have the strongest most invincible army/navy/airforce but if you have no ammo nor manpower, how do you field them?
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Full control over Malaysia. Meaning Malaysia army wiped out, all Malaysian government removed and replaced with a gov.


Look USA defeat Iraq army but it didn't stop there. The insurgency lasted over 10 years

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