A waste of resource? if i would to pay $600 for a video card, i would like it to be able to be connected to not only computer monitor. Having two dvi is a waste. Why have two DVIs? Having the capability of chaneling HD video to a HDTV via HDMI is not a gimmick. Its plain stupid to have two DV1 connectors anyway

Why stupid to have 2 dvi connectors? Some of us do use dual monitors you know.

It's still a gimmick without sound since HDCP works fine over HDMI. And alot of us here use dual monitor setups, plus there is really no difference between pure HDMI and using a convertor with DVI. Graphics cards can't output sound last time i checked, it might be work a damn to encapsulate sound data and move it to the GC but as always, GCs are bandwidth sensitive and they don't like their queues moved around for sound data. Without the sound, seriously, save money and buy a convertor instead of getting something that has it's priced upped by the HDMI tag

And dude, most people willing to buy such graphics cards at such ourageous prices are sure to have atleast 2 monitors, so do i. A HDMI connector without sound is seriously just the same TMDS signal on the DVI with a different connector . You can't watch 2 TVs, but hells you can use 2 monitors for most kinds of Windows desktop based work (i keep one monitor (a smaller 17in LCD) for all my Widgets, Music, RSS feeds and Utilities, my main monitor is generally only concerned with work or porn related imagery.

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Plain stupid to haf 2 DVI? Then how do u propose I connect my dual monitors?

Also, if I wanted to connect my Plasma TV or Projector to the PC, I can always use the DVI coz the Plasma TV n Projector both haf DVI.

dvi spliters are commonly available and i with less reported issues .. the same cannot be said about dvi - hdmi connector

U do know that a 30" Hi def monitor needs dual link DVI right? Split?

This post has been edited by ianho: Feb 12 2007, 02:59 PM

Dude... lots of ppl use 2 monitors or (very soon) need to power their 30" LCDs like ianho's 30" monitor.

And its not about splitting the signal , its a bout having 2 diff desktops on 2 diff monitors (dualview)

At the peak of my workstation days I was hoping they'd come out with 3 monitor output even...

Running at dual monitor for 30 inches probably will take atleast 3 signalling links (left over bandwidth added over) and last time i checked DVI only comes with 2 per connector. And we don't want splitters, what we want are spanned displays, with monitors that can act independently of each other. For example i can drag all my chat windows into my secondary monitor and keep my main one for work with both being on at the same time.

If they could even come up with triple DVI i'll kiss them because i've always wanted a panoramic desktop.

This post has been edited by empire23: Feb 12 2007, 05:45 PM

A possible photoshop but for speculative purposes, here's an image that shows that the retail versions of the R600 isn't that long for crying out loud

Dont Drink and post pls.. im talking serioously here..

Splitter is spliting 1 image to 2 monitor and they both produce the same imgae.. for dual DVI graphic card. they can produce both diffeent image..

huh? this include the Dell 30in or the Apple 30in .. and again huh?

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Added on February 13, 2007, 3:41 pmhmmm let me check that again .. i swear i saw the two monitor system at my office is using some sort of splitter ..

This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 13 2007, 03:41 PM

HDMI should be a better connect for future,
30" lcd monitor requires dual DVI it is due to single DVI cannot transfer enough signal to mintor.. as bandwidth of DVI is only 3.7 Gbit/s ,HDMI can transfer as fast as 10GBit/s

perhaps in future, you could see a signle HDMI cable to connect to 30" lcd instead of 2 DVI

nowadays, we are heading to HD generation, HDMI should become a standard for high-end card..
at least ati should equip the card with 1 HDMI + 1 DVI, but the card can still produce 2 different image on different monitor .. there is a HDMI-DVI converter for you to use it(some of the geforce cards already have it)

this is what i am thinking

dual-link DVI is 10Gbit/s as well, and since when does a 30" LCD monitor needs dual DVI, it's dual-link DVI.

g5sim: u still never fail to crack me up man!

HDMI™ Connections Surge in PC Market
HDMI Rapidly Builds Presence as PC Digital Interface With More Than 50 PC-Related Products on the Market


SUNNYVALE, Calif., Feb. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- HDMI Licensing, LLC, the agent responsible for licensing the High-Definition Multimedia Interface™ (HDMI™) specification, today announced the rapid penetration of HDMI into the PC market with more than 50 HDMI PC products currently available, including nearly two dozen desktop and notebook PCs, families of HDMI PC monitors from major manufacturers and a broad range of motherboards and graphics cards with HDMI outputs.

HDMI is the de facto standard digital interface for HDTVs and high- definition (HD) consumer electronics products. HDMI is also currently the leading interface for PCs intended for HD content usage, including connection to HDTVs and HD video camcorders.

Major PC makers, such as Acer, BenQ, Dell/Alienware, Hewlett-Packard, Samsung, Sony and Toshiba, have already announced or delivered desktop and notebook PCs with the HDMI interface. HP is shipping the affordable Pavilion dv9000t series notebooks with HDMI, while Sony offers HDMI as a standard feature on its full line of VAIO AR series of notebooks. BenQ plans to launch the Joybook S41 notebook PC along with an expanded offering of LCD monitors in the first half of this year, all featuring HDMI. Among the new products announced during the 2007 International Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas was Dell's HDMI-enabled Alienware Media PC that features a high-definition digital video recorder, enabling users to record and play back HD content via an HDMI output.

PCs with HDMI outputs can connect directly to more than 105 million HDTVs with HDMI inputs estimated by research firm In-Stat to be in the market by the end of the year. This allows PC users to play games, watch TV shows and movies, and view photos on their monitors or large screen TVs. Because HDMI is backward compatible with the Digital Visual Interface (DVI), the HDMI PCs can also connect directly to the enormous installed base of PC monitors with DVI inputs, which In-Stat estimates at 106 million shipped to date since 2002. (Note that content needing HDCP content protection requires that both source and display devices support HDCP to properly view protected video content).

Major producers of PC monitors are starting to introduce low-cost HDMI monitors to respond to the recent surge of PCs with HDMI outputs. ViewSonic Corporation has introduced the VX2435wm and VX2835wm, two LCD monitors that have HDMI inputs to provide clear, crisp high-definition images for enjoying diverse digital entertainment including Internet Protocol Television, movies and digital photos. LG Electronics offers a 24-inch LCD monitor with an HDMI input that is certified for use with Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system. Another manufacturer, BenQ, has introduced four new widescreen LCD gaming monitors with HDMI connections, including a 19-inch model with an affordable price of $299.

"BenQ recognizes HDMI as the de facto standard interface for high- definition multimedia content that gives consumers greater flexibility to connect their monitors to PCs, game consoles and other high-definition content sources," said Conway Lee, general manager of BenQ Digital Media Business Group. "BenQ took the lead by creating a full line of PC monitors and notebook PC products supporting HDMI, and we expect to see HDMI propagate further into the PC market as it uniquely enables convergence through easy connectivity between PC and CE devices."

Accelerating the adoption of HDMI in the consumer PC market is Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system, which contains rich multimedia functions and the ability to access and play back premium HD content from a variety of so

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Added on February 13, 2007, 7:54 pm^ now i know



HDMI™ Connections Surge in PC Market
HDMI Rapidly Builds Presence as PC Digital Interface With More Than 50 PC-Related Products on the Market


SUNNYVALE, Calif., Feb. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- HDMI Licensing, LLC, the agent responsible for licensing the High-Definition Multimedia Interface™ (HDMI™) specification, today announced the rapid penetration of HDMI into the PC market with more than 50 HDMI PC products currently available, including nearly two dozen desktop and notebook PCs, families of HDMI PC monitors from major manufacturers and a broad range of motherboards and graphics cards with HDMI outputs.

HDMI is the de facto standard digital interface for HDTVs and high- definition (HD) consumer electronics products. HDMI is also currently the leading interface for PCs intended for HD content usage, including connection to HDTVs and HD video camcorders.

Major PC makers, such as Acer, BenQ, Dell/Alienware, Hewlett-Packard, Samsung, Sony and Toshiba, have already announced or delivered desktop and notebook PCs with the HDMI interface. HP is shipping the affordable Pavilion dv9000t series notebooks with HDMI, while Sony offers HDMI as a standard feature on its full line of VAIO AR series of notebooks. BenQ plans to launch the Joybook S41 notebook PC along with an expanded offering of LCD monitors in the first half of this year, all featuring HDMI. Among the new products announced during the 2007 International Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas was Dell's HDMI-enabled Alienware Media PC that features a high-definition digital video recorder, enabling users to record and play back HD content via an HDMI output.

PCs with HDMI outputs can connect directly to more than 105 million HDTVs with HDMI inputs estimated by research firm In-Stat to be in the market by the end of the year. This allows PC users to play games, watch TV shows and movies, and view photos on their monitors or large screen TVs. Because HDMI is backward compatible with the Digital Visual Interface (DVI), the HDMI PCs can also connect directly to the enormous installed base of PC monitors with DVI inputs, which In-Stat estimates at 106 million shipped to date since 2002. (Note that content needing HDCP content protection requires that both source and display devices support HDCP to properly view protected video content).

Major producers of PC monitors are starting to introduce low-cost HDMI monitors to respond to the recent surge of PCs with HDMI outputs. ViewSonic Corporation has introduced the VX2435wm and VX2835wm, two LCD monitors that have HDMI inputs to provide clear, crisp high-definition images for enjoying diverse digital entertainment including Internet Protocol Television, movies and digital photos. LG Electronics offers a 24-inch LCD monitor with an HDMI input that is certified for use with Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system. Another manufacturer, BenQ, has introduced four new widescreen LCD gaming monitors with HDMI connections, including a 19-inch model with an affordable price of $299.

"BenQ recognizes HDMI as the de facto standard interface for high- definition multimedia content that gives consumers greater flexibility to connect their monitors to PCs, game consoles and other high-definition content sources," said Conway Lee, general manager of BenQ Digital Media Business Group. "BenQ took the lead by creating a full line of PC monitors and notebook PC products supporting HDMI, and we expect to see HDMI propagate further into the PC market as it uniquely enables convergence through easy connectivity between PC and CE devices."

Accelerating the adoption of HDMI in the consumer PC market is Microsoft's new Windows Vista operating system, which contains rich multimedia functions and the ability to

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Added on February 13, 2007, 7:55 pm^ now i know




This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 13 2007, 07:55 PM

uh.... the copy paste king has done it again!

simple, buy g80. if the new ati is good and use after than move on...

Marketing crap, to be honest, engineers are the only kind of people who would build a whole new interconnect with the same signalling parameters just to make an extra buck and justify their niche products. And 50 products isn't impressive, plus who the feck uses a game console with a work monitor? Doesn't make sense for media PCs either since you'll still need a connection for audio. HDMI's M stands for Multimedia, if it can't do audio, it has no real edge over DVI, and in the case of media PCs, lol.

I still like my dual monitor setup better than the ability to hook my PC up to HDMI HDTV (instead of using a converter lol) occasionally

LOL! "perhaps in future, you could see a signle HDMI cable to connect to 30" lcd instead of 2 DVI".


Do u know what a Dual Link DVI is? The dual link DVI is a single plug. My 30" monitor runs off a single DVI plug on the gfx card. ure getting confused between dual DVI plugs n dual link DVI.

This post has been edited by ianho: Feb 13 2007, 10:05 PM

here some review, regarding theinquirer.net the retail r600xtx will be like this... see the pict

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37588