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 Venturing into Agriculture & Aquaculture, Co-Ordination & Implementation is KEY

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TSParaOpticaL
post Mar 19 2007, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(sAkUrAg1 @ Mar 18 2007, 07:19 PM)
Dear all,

I am a new bee, and want to venture to aqua bussines.

thanks for all the information.

it really made me aware of the cost and the risk.

i got alot of readings yo do, before i start the project.

Para,

thanks for sharing with us your project pictures.
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dont worry everyone including me also a newbie in Agri + Aqua business. that doesnt matter. most important you want to do it.

hope you drop by more as i try to update the info as much as possible. with all the news from all over.


QUOTE(kong5091 @ Mar 18 2007, 07:53 PM)
May i ask roughly how much money needed to invest into this business include buying land etc?? What is the size of ur land?
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from my venture ONE Tank + ONE Filter & Pump is roughly about RM 15k.
you can also rear fishes differently from me. like in Cement Ponds or normal ponds. it doesnt matter.

Land cost varies from each. so i think its not wise to put it up. what you can do is go for renting if $$$ is a problem. rent 5 years with option for another 5.


QUOTE(cktwai @ Mar 18 2007, 08:42 PM)
looks like a lot of progress... can i like visit your farm ar ?
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Can but not now yet. wait till my equipment and things are ready then make a visit. then you will get the idea.

QUOTE(rexis @ Mar 18 2007, 11:46 PM)
Hi guys, it is really a good idea to held a visiting to para farm.

Ehh? I tot you rearing fish, why construct a compost pit?
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Can but not now yet. wait till my equipment and things are ready then make a visit. then you will get the idea.

i have some land vacant so i thought of planting something. maybe HERBS ?


QUOTE(draggy @ Mar 19 2007, 02:05 AM)
ParaOpticaL, are you using normal pipe water?

if yes, then better use natural water.... it will save you a lot

and is better also to have an egg incubation place to hatch eggs
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Nope not using pipe water. my place has a stream passing thru. so i am doing a water cachement area so i can use the natural spring water.



BTW to those who missed the Meet Up Session. i would be happy to have another one. hehe
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post Mar 19 2007, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Mar 12 2007, 05:40 PM)
btw tell your friend the actual material is RFP (Reinforced Fibre Plastic)
thanks
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Paraoptical.... I roughly gave him the specification... He seems to know what I'm talking about... He has done quite a lot of work for fish farms before it seems haha..

Also he said he can do the pump as well... biggrin.gif Is there anything special about the pump other than able to control the speed ?

I'll be able to get a quotation from him tommorrow... then you go contact him la if it's cheaper.. smile.gif



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post Mar 19 2007, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(cktwai @ Mar 19 2007, 02:24 PM)
Paraoptical.... I roughly gave him the specification... He seems to know what I'm talking about... He has done quite a lot of work for fish farms before it seems haha..

Also he said he can do the pump as well...  biggrin.gif Is there anything special about the pump other than able to control the speed ?

I'll be able to get a quotation from him tommorrow... then you go contact him la if it's cheaper..  smile.gif
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WOW he can do pumps which is good for future purposes.

as for the RFP if he can give assurance and guarantee i dont see any harm in getting from him as i want to reduce cost in the process.

thanks for the heads up
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post Mar 25 2007, 01:19 PM

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i have some land vacant so i thought of planting something. maybe HERBS ?


How big is the piece of land?

You can plant dragon fruit/pitaya, these cactus do not need that much of care, and they will start fruiting pretty fast, some within 9 month to get the first batch of fruits. And they fetch quite a good market price too, if you can find the market of course. And theres one case i read about is

a pitaya farmer actually transplanted all his pitaya to another land, dig the whole thing out including the supporting pilla, 100% survival. Just in case your landlord want to take back his land in future.

Or you can consider some short tern crops like jagung, chilli. Sweetcorn perhaps not that good price but the market is there. Cili padi have a good price and can harvest relatively fast.

Or build a goat barn there, buy in a few baby goat, and feed them for a few month, then sell them, fast money. But if you are not that keen on rearing mutton...

If its not really a big plot of land, you can consider make compost pile from it, get lots of chicken/goat/cow manure and mix them with grass chippings and compost bacteria, turn them weekly and 1.5 months later you will have lots of compost. You should be able to get some RM300/ton, you dont really need that much space to accumulate 10 tons of these organic fertilizer you know.

Herbs, perhaps you can ask pejabat petanian about this.

Or if you not really that urgently want to make money with this piece of land, plant some flower/fruit trees you like and make it into a nice garden where you can really relax. We should really enjoy our life you see.
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post Mar 25 2007, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Mar 25 2007, 01:19 PM)
How big is the piece of land?

You can plant dragon fruit/pitaya, these cactus do not need that much of care, and they will start fruiting pretty fast, some within 9 month to get the first batch of fruits. And they fetch quite a good market price too, if you can find the market of course. And theres one case i read about is

a pitaya farmer actually transplanted all his pitaya to another land, dig the whole thing out including the supporting pilla, 100% survival. Just in case your landlord want to take back his land in future.

Or you can consider some short tern crops like jagung, chilli. Sweetcorn perhaps not that good price but the market is there. Cili padi have a good price and can harvest relatively fast.

Or build a goat barn there, buy in a few baby goat, and feed them for a few month, then sell them, fast money. But if you are not that keen on rearing mutton...

If its not really a big plot of land, you can consider make compost pile from it, get lots of chicken/goat/cow manure and mix them with grass chippings and compost bacteria, turn them weekly and 1.5 months later you will have lots of compost. You should be able to get some RM300/ton, you dont really need that much space to accumulate 10 tons of these organic fertilizer you know.

Herbs, perhaps you can ask pejabat petanian about this.

Or if you not really that urgently want to make money with this piece of land, plant some flower/fruit trees you like and make it into a nice garden where you can really relax. We should really enjoy our life you see.
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thanks for the info.
actually i am trying to divide the plot of land so i can do some R&D

when my site (Aquaculture) is ready, those who are free can come over for a visit.

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to those who havent met up pls PM or we get a date so we can meet up to brainstorm abit.

thanks


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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Mar 25 2007, 06:03 PM)
thanks for the info.
actually i am trying to divide the plot of land so i can do some R&D

when my site (Aquaculture) is ready, those who are free can come over for a visit.

......................

to those who havent met up pls PM or we get a date so we can meet up to brainstorm abit.

thanks
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Some add on, i read about a banana farmer actually plant cili padi among his banana plants, the income from the cili can actually pay up his workers salary. But it is not like you can plant cili among your fish thou...
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post Mar 26 2007, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Mar 26 2007, 09:07 AM)
Some add on, i read about a banana farmer actually plant cili padi among his banana plants, the income from the cili can actually pay up his workers salary. But it is not like  you can plant cili among your fish thou...
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actually planting what plants or herbs i really dont have an idea.
will go to MARDI and Pertanian to ask around.

as for the fish species am going to Shah Alam on wednesday for advice.
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post Mar 29 2007, 03:20 PM

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Update from me....@ 29/3/07


Half of the fibre glass before being "LEGOed"
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Moving the fibre glass pieces slowly and steadily
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My tanks arranged in a row
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Inside view of a big tank
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View of a small tank
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View of a big tank
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Mmmm, high value fresh water fish to rear... its gotta be soon hok. The fresh one fetch a good price. Talapia and Keli is your laaaast choice. OR you can even consider pet fish! Like koi, gold fish, etc.

Wooo, if those lovely tanks under my procession i will make them into giant composting tanks... thats what i am up to recently. I know how to make compost, but how good is the end product, will it grow or kill vegetables, might be able to find out 3 months later.

I once calculated if you cover your acre with 4 feet deep dead plants + chicken manure you will have some half of million $ worth of compost a few months later. Well, i always dreaming about things thats too good to be true, so the actual value might me *slightly* lower...

I read about a factory actually collect vegetable and fruit waste from pasar borong and grind them into bits, mix with goat manure, and let them rot for 45 days, then you got organic fertilizer. They selling it some half a $ per kg and have some 150k worth of business monthly.

Waste to cash. Tats the way to go.
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post Mar 30 2007, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Mar 29 2007, 10:57 PM)
Mmmm, high value fresh water fish to rear... its gotta be soon hok. The fresh one fetch a good price. Talapia and Keli is your laaaast choice. OR you can even consider pet fish! Like koi, gold fish, etc.

Wooo, if those lovely tanks under my procession i will make them into giant composting tanks... thats what i am up to recently. I know how to make compost, but how good is the end product, will it grow or kill vegetables, might be able to find out 3 months later.

I once calculated if you cover your acre with 4 feet deep dead plants + chicken manure you will have some half of million $ worth of compost a few months later. Well, i always dreaming about things thats too good to be true, so the actual value might me *slightly* lower...

I read about a factory actually collect vegetable and fruit waste from pasar borong and grind them into bits, mix with goat manure, and let them rot for 45 days, then you got organic fertilizer. They selling it some half a $ per kg and have some 150k worth of business monthly.

Waste to cash. Tats the way to go.
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compost the place i will do it when i have a bigger plot of land.

as of your story i saw it in the papers. its about a Market in Seri Kembangan...

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Mar 30 2007, 08:49 AM)
compost the place i will do it when i have a bigger plot of land.

as of your story i saw it in the papers. its about a Market in Seri Kembangan...
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hi,

I'm interested in this farming thing.

i have one question here... for the aquaculture... how will be the fish and prawn taste? cause the fish and prawn feed by ourself will have some " not nice taste or mud" in chinese is " chao cho" Hopefully u got what i mean.

How to solve this type of problem? Sorry I'm newbie in this. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(siaokia @ Mar 31 2007, 02:46 PM)
hi,

I'm interested in this farming thing.

i have one question here... for the aquaculture... how will be the fish and prawn taste? cause the fish and prawn feed by ourself will have some " not nice taste or mud" in chinese is " chao cho" Hopefully u got what  i mean.

How to solve this type of problem?  Sorry I'm newbie in this.  notworthy.gif
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the reason for those is two things :-

a) they are reared in mud ponds
b) they dont have exercise

my system is reared in Fibre Glass Tanks.

so there will be better fish taste and texture quality.
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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Mar 26 2007, 09:28 PM)
actually planting what plants or herbs i really dont have an idea.
will go to MARDI and Pertanian to ask around.

as for the fish species am going to Shah Alam on wednesday for advice.
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Para...

Today i was at this fair... There's someone exhibiting on specific fish pellets for Red Tilipia fishes... It's like RM 1.20 for 1 kg.... you interested ???

I can give you the contact... smile.gif

Also i got some leaflets on some new technology on farming... later i take photo and upload somewhere la

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Mar 31 2007, 06:48 PM)
the reason for those is two things :-

a) they are reared in mud ponds
b) they dont have exercise

my system is reared in Fibre Glass Tanks.

so there will be better fish taste and texture quality.
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Thanks for the answer... smile.gif then now i know whats the problem... about the exercise thing... is it we gv them a bigger area to swim can solve the problem or gv them a bigger force of water flow?

This post has been edited by siaokia: Mar 31 2007, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE(cktwai @ Mar 31 2007, 07:14 PM)
Para...

Today i was at this fair... There's someone exhibiting on specific fish pellets for Red Tilipia fishes... It's like RM 1.20 for 1 kg.... you interested ???

I can give you the contact... smile.gif

Also i got some leaflets on some new technology on farming...  later i take photo and upload somewhere la
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hi cktwai,

when were you at the fair ?
i was there on Friday @ PWTC.

i think the product is from Mardi right ?
they arent in production yet are they ? if they are please PM me...

what new technology ?
share share...thanks


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QUOTE(siaokia @ Mar 31 2007, 08:10 PM)
Thanks for the answer...  smile.gif  then now i know whats the problem... about the exercise thing...  is it we gv them a bigger area to swim can solve the problem or gv them a bigger force of water flow?
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not necessary a bigger area. depends on how you rear the fish...

too big the area also no point as you cant make all the fish "exercise"
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Hi guys, really fun to read this post. I am almost going into agri industry. Currently, I am helping my brother to market his Aquarium Fish trading business. If anyone know some breeder on aquarium fish, please share your contact.

Hi Para, why don't you try to breed aquarium fish? The market is better.

Btw, my family oso have 100 hectars of durian farm. my advice to you guys, dun plant durian, the market is too saturated oredi. everytime hv to depends on those Singaporean bcos all my durians are export to singapore. So, No point plant durian.

we start to venture into new farming, livestock on cow. it is good because we can use their SHIT as organic fertilizer for my durians trees. hahahahah.

i am interested on the gathering too. When is the next session.
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QUOTE(AsiaPartTime @ Apr 1 2007, 01:44 AM)
Hi guys, really fun to read this post. I am almost going into agri industry. Currently, I am helping my brother to market his Aquarium Fish trading business. If anyone know some breeder on aquarium fish, please share your contact.

Hi Para, why don't you try to breed aquarium fish? The market is better.

Btw, my family oso have 100 hectars of durian farm. my advice to you guys, dun plant durian, the market is too saturated oredi. everytime hv to depends on those Singaporean bcos all my durians are export to singapore. So, No point plant durian.

we start to venture into new farming, livestock on cow. it is good because we can use their SHIT as organic fertilizer for my durians trees. hahahahah.

i am interested on the gathering too. When is the next session.
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AsiaPartTime,

i have thought about it but since i have my own goal so i will be going into Consumer Fishes.

i think after a few more gathering session we can start a informal information centre.
hehe

next session should be in early May.
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I wonder how many person in this thread own a farm , plantation or land......
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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Apr 1 2007, 12:00 PM)
AsiaPartTime,

i have thought about it but since i have my own goal so i will be going into Consumer Fishes.

i think after a few more gathering session we can start a informal information centre.
hehe

next session should be in early May.
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Consumer fish is abit hard. those restaurants like to hold ur payment. last time my brotehr used to supply seafood fish like prawn to them, their payment really bad.

anyway, with ur facility, u can convert into breeding any kind of fish easily.

Do you have any water from jungle? fresh water , not paip water for ur farm?

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