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 Venturing into Agriculture & Aquaculture, Co-Ordination & Implementation is KEY

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rexis
post Apr 2 2008, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Apr 1 2008, 07:16 PM)
yep i am.... why the expression lar? o.O?
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Consider it as a overexcited reaction. Sort of like a fella on 2 bag of 3in1 434 monalisa coffee in one cup.

Chewing thru some nice wormy pic... laterz

Replying ROTiJOHN post so everyone get to see the pic here.

QUOTE(ROTiJOHN @ Apr 1 2008, 11:41 PM)
Hi here is the pic i promise to post up last few days.
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The earthworm farm

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The container with cow poo,it don have smell at all..very clean

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Earthworm condo, use to produce the earthworm here

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The vermicompost pool..
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It looks like Zaman the worm captain is pretty well established there!

I am thinking about renting a cheap property(below 400) to rear earthworm with large plastic containers. Para, my figures earlier might be over exaggerated, 100kg worm for a room might be too much, but how about rearing 200kg of worm in a small apartment, i am sure it is not too packed isnt it. So assume you produce 1/3 of the biomass weight worth of castings:

you would collect...
2000kg worm casting, give 500 utility 400 rental, you got over 1k profit if you sell them at only RM1 per kg. Add a small packaging facility(plastic bag and the sealing heater), and make 1kg package and sell for RM2 per pak.. and that is without sunshine, part time(just grin food scrap and feed), weekend for packing and harvesting.

Seriously, is it really that good?
(btw, got pic showing spaghetti of worms ah?)

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TSParaOpticaL
post Apr 2 2008, 09:15 AM

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Rexis : bring it up on saturday... biggrin.gif

btw this saturday i will be there bit early as there is an expo there at Mid-Valley
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post Apr 2 2008, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Apr 2 2008, 08:35 AM)
Consider it as a overexcited reaction. Sort of like a fella on 2 bag of 3in1 434 monalisa coffee in one cup.

Chewing thru some nice wormy pic... laterz

Replying ROTiJOHN post so everyone get to see the pic here.
It looks like Zaman the worm captain is pretty well established there!

I am thinking about renting a cheap property(below 400) to rear earthworm with large plastic containers. Para, my figures earlier might be over exaggerated, 100kg worm for a room might be too much, but how about rearing 200kg of worm in a small apartment, i am sure it is not too packed isnt it. So assume you produce 1/3 of the biomass weight worth of castings:

you would collect...
2000kg worm casting, give 500 utility 400 rental, you got over 1k profit if you sell them at only RM1 per kg. Add a small packaging facility(plastic bag and the sealing heater), and make 1kg package and sell for RM2 per pak.. and that is without sunshine, part time(just grin food scrap and feed), weekend for packing and harvesting.

Seriously, is it really that good?
(btw, got pic showing spaghetti of worms ah?)
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Alamak the worms pic need to wait for my mom's camera.Btw i got another's friend's dad involve in this business..i going visit his farm in few weeks later, he stay in Kluang..kakaka..
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post Apr 2 2008, 02:38 PM

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mmm.... interesting... looks like a viable venture, but how good is the market lei? I know castings are used in high value ornamentals as potting media (because "soils" cannot be exported; nothing said about earthworm poop). Frankly speaking, I have not seen earthworm castings being sold on an as-is basis lor.... only one company that is well know is Vermicast, yet they too have limited local volume. Most goes for organic crop and ornamentals.

It'd be nice to explore this avenue.
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post Apr 2 2008, 02:42 PM

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can i join for the meeting? blush.gif

i'm totally a noob but i want to learn more..

Michael J.
post Apr 2 2008, 03:19 PM

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Mmm... I feel that vermicompost is more suitable for leaf production lei... I just cross-checked some of our initial analysis... high Nitrogen content wor.... Meaning good for leafy vegetables, ornamentals and such. Now it all makes sense, because I found vermicompost being used for cacti and terrestrial orchids.
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post Apr 2 2008, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(wheimeng @ Apr 2 2008, 02:42 PM)
can i join for the meeting?  blush.gif

i'm totally a noob but i want to learn more..
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anyone and everyone is welcomed to join.

please reply to my PM. thanks
ROTiJOHN
post Apr 2 2008, 06:54 PM

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Captain zaman said vermicompost can be use in any plant. Btw my brother had try it on his oil palm tree, will give some review next few days..cheers.
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post Apr 3 2008, 08:57 AM

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Leaf production or nursery.

ROTiJOHN is visiting all the vermi farm everywhere ler, time for our agri club to organize some farm visit?

Kluang... a bit far.

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Vermiculture produces worm casting and worm, too bad we cant charge people for processing waste.

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Michael J.
post Apr 3 2008, 10:05 AM

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I didn't say vermicompost cannot be used for plants in general, or can be used only for certain plants per se; all I said was that it is more suitable for leafy plants due to the high nitrogen content. Nitrogen influences leaf/flower production, whereas potassium influences fruit formation. So for nursery plants, since you want the plants to have green and healthy leaves and beautiful flowers, then the high nitrogen fertilizer will be more suitable. Same goes for leafy vegetables like cabbage etc. But if you want good fruit set and better fruit qualities, say for cucumbers or chilies, then you need a fertilizer that has higher potassium content. I don't know about his fertilizer nutrient content, but the one we've analyzed has a ratio of 8:1 for nitrogen and potassium. That's pretty bad if used for fruit setting; the normal ratio is 8:5. Since the sample we have is cow manure based, just the same as Capt. Zaman's, I would imagine the ratio wouldn't run too far off.
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i really dunno have this tread. thumbup.gif
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Perhaps we should look into controlling the vermi diet for the purpose of getting a more well balanced worm compost nutrient.

Like feeding them bone meal for P, if for K... whats is for K?

Or perhaps simply mix them into the vermicompost.

Or just use vermicompost as soil improvement
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post Apr 3 2008, 02:40 PM

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Mmm... Then the vermicompost will become a fortified fertilizer, and not organic fertilizer anymore.

Bro, you've brought up a very good thought: Control the diet of the worms. I agree with you on this point fully. Hmm... Nitrogen will be available throught the breakdown of the manure. Animal bone meal (fowl/mammalian) should add phosphorus, but do note that phosphorus in bone meal can be easily converted to excitable phosphoregen (gasous phosphor) - hence why sometimes you see green glowing lights at graveyards. Potassium is a big problem now.... rock phosphate had always been a major source of potassium. Guano is next important source. Other than that, bunch ash lor.... or you may like to use fish meal instead.


Added on April 3, 2008, 2:43 pmWell, if we want to add worm castings to soil, might as well we just breed the worms and add THEM directly to the soil. Unless if the original soil condition is not suitable at all for worms to live in lar.. then no choice.

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post Apr 3 2008, 03:44 PM

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hmmm..when we arrive what do we do ark? Got table reserved or sit at some table 1st? Sorry didnt follow this thread closely. Para Para....need your Hp biggrin.gif Shd we all wear the same colour (green for agri) ?? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Apr 3 2008, 03:44 PM)
hmmm..when we arrive what do we do ark? Got table reserved or sit at some table 1st? Sorry didnt follow this thread closely. Para Para....need your Hp biggrin.gif Shd we all wear the same colour (green for agri) ?? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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when reach look around and you will see us...haha

no table reserved but if i reach early i will go get a table for 10

i sms you my no.

any colour shirt can... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Apr 3 2008, 03:44 PM)
hmmm..when we arrive what do we do ark? Got table reserved or sit at some table 1st? Sorry didnt follow this thread closely. Para Para....need your Hp biggrin.gif Shd we all wear the same colour (green for agri) ?? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Froggy color ehh... later go nando see everyone wear green then how.

Must use something unique, like everyone put a frog on head.

Para, should really figure something out la, I suggest put a notice outside, sth like

Agri Gathering --> Table ##

and inform the counter if anyone come ask about Agri Gathering, they will point them to para.

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Anyhow just in case, I will bring lots of AgriWorld Magazine and lay them out on table. Should you notice any table with lots(I will make sure its visible from far) of magazine cover with colorful fruits, crops, flowers, etc, that should be the one.
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OHhh okies...find for a table with lotsa mags biggrin.gif
Para u got my hp no ark? Dunno isit the same no i gave u last time? Coz hor...i lost my old phone...forgot if i gave u my new or old no tongue.gif Maybe PM me better.

ehz..am i the only gal ark?? Gulp! Btw...i got 1 fella joining smile.gif
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post Apr 3 2008, 07:30 PM

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woot all brothers, i think i cant make it to mid valley edi, got things do..alamak..if you guys coming down melaka do let me know ok?we can discuss vermicompost also..cheers..
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haha, so what language we wil use? mandarin?manglish?dialect?

cause maybe bring another fres go

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post Apr 3 2008, 10:04 PM

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Haaah... I may also be bringing a property expert along with me. May give some good ideas and advice about land for agri.

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