U work wif plantation company?

bro, why would you want to clone from other tree ?

you can buy the young trees

actually i wont be working at the plantation.. but overlooking it on behalf of the management... i will be the management's eyes.. so wont be staying long term...

i thought all the rivers will be contaminated with fertilizer, pesticide and discharge from the mill?

15,000Ha we would have 3k workers, enough for a kampung liao
ok, will remember that... went to one last week... had to travel 3 hours inland by road 2 hours by river... haih =.="
nope... a company interested in plantation... no plantations yet

Oic..a new land to develop?

greenfield project... land not even acquired yet... still looking

Owh...hahaha...

Ok...

It is a good project

You may want to look @ East Kalimantan. The Russian is building a railway (about 180 km inland) to bring out coal, hence opening vast area of land for agriculture.

Since you shall have between 2K to 3.5K people working there, I'm sure the living condition shall not be too bad, unlike those that I visited, just a shed for us to stay overnight.

If you need a traveling companion, you can always look me up. Can accompany you on your field trip, traveling expenses on you .
In Jogjakarta now, back end of the month

Hi Para,
I want to buy small tree, but I can not locate any nursery. I have go to mardi, their choice is limited. Mardi only has D168(IOI), M88, D24, D145, D2. My farm already have D168, D24, D2.

Currently I have ask my nephew in Penang to try to search the black thorn for me. I only manage to find the contact in
http://www.durianking.biz/shop/
If they don't sell the young tree, then I will try to get the clone from them.

Raja Kunyit young tree are hot demand. Most of the time are sold out in the nursery. Also, i am not sure which nursery have it now.




Hi alaskanbunny,

Good thing about big company is that everythign will be ready for you. So, you don't have to worry about thing we mention, unless you have to stay in that vallage for your visit there.
I believe you have awared that transportation or logistic will be concern for you if you put 3000 workers into a centre area. The travelling time for worker to get to the work site is time consuming.

i am sure muar should have Raja Kunyit. and also you can pre-order

if you cant get black thorn then i help you ask around

Hi Para,

Yes, Should be able to get it near the area for Raja Kunyit, which is where my bro got it last time. I will try to get another batch.
If you have any news about the black thorn, please let me know. Thank you.

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Added on February 16, 2012, 5:16 pmDue to the busy schedule and holiday in Jan and Feb, I am not able to visit my farm for whole feb.

Here are the update from my Oil Palm farm,

Production
7 Jan : 0.81 ton
29 Jan : 1.4 ton
13 Feb : 0.78 ton

Fertilization applied at Feb
Zeolite 30 pack, NK 30 pack and Borex 2 pack.

Durian Farm,

Start flowering already. I don't have time to visit it and have details update yet.


This post has been edited by Kg Teratai: Feb 16 2012, 05:16 PM

Hello Mr Farmer,

It is possible for us as Malaysian to own a large scale of agriculture lands at Indonesia?

I would like to apologize in advance if I have offended you.

But if it is possible, I would like to buy some land at there as well with the condition that is the price of the agriculture land must be affordable.

Thank you

This post has been edited by insearching: Feb 20 2012, 12:12 AM

As far as I know, any kind of investments in Indonesia these days require a local partner. For plantation, the partner needs to have at least a 30% share in the venture, and there is a minimum size for the plantation. It differs from place to place, but if I'm not mistaken, Kalimantan Tengah's requirement is minimum 10,000 acres for corporation, and 100acres for private. And yes, the land there is very cheap compared to Malaysia. Just make sure you get the right places, as some areas are of marginal value for agriculture.

Kindly refer to Michael J's post. Sorry am not familiar with Indonesia's requirement as I've never explored/ experience these in Indonesia.

Since you are willing to travel even to Kalimatan, you may want to consider land in Sarawak / Sabah first (at least it's part of Malaysia).
Maybe if you can be more specific on "some land", what acreage? and affordable, price $ (it's very subjective).
Coincidentally just spoke with a guy from Sepang, whom I just met this afternoon at the KFC outlet at the KK LCT. No we were not having a fight with the KFC staff I arrived and am waiting for a cab to take me to Keningau and he just came out from his farm in Beautfort, waiting for his flight home. This gentleman bought a "share" of a land totaling 200 acres with a couple of friends and planted Palm oil. His "share" is for 20 acres and he paid 28K per acre (10K for land and 18K for the initial planting). He feels it's cheap and is very happy with his investment.

Hi Micheal J,

I am planning to buy supergene seed to replace those male oil palm tree, what is your opinion regard supergene seed?

It is quite costly to buy it 30++ per 7 months old supergene oil palm tree.

Kg Teratai:

This is an opinion shared by not just myself, but many plantation scientists: It is an unproven material, and it is simply too good to be true. Besides, those who has actually seen the palms do not endorse it.

Sure, the vendor may say "already planted for more than 15 years", but when I asked for a site visit with some plantation buddies, the fella disappeared. Never returned my enquiry, never replied my friend's enquiry either.

Furthermore, the photographs the vendor has been showing does not impress us at all. I mean, even the "biasa" type of tenera palms, when cared for properly, looked far better than what was depicted in those pictures. Heck, the very best materials, which are also readily available at about 60%-70% the price of Supergene, can produce equally as good, if not better than what they claim it to be.

As simple enough "test" is to ask how many mid-sized plantation companies have actually bought the materials from them. Don't need big plantations like Sime or IOI, just ask if MHC got buy or not, or United Malacca got buy. Say you want to verify with them. If really can produce their 45 tons a year and 35% OER at mill, why wouldn't any of these smaller guys buy from them? They don't produce their own seeds, so what's the harm buying from other source? Yea lar, pay 40% more, but return is nearly 60% above current average OER wor...

Put into $$ and cents:
Supergene planting material cost: 148 x RM30 = RM4,440
Regular planting material cost: 148 x RM20 = RM2,960

Supergene yield at peak 10 years: 45tons x 10 = 450tons
Regular yield at peak 10 years: 35tons x 10 = 350 tons

Supergene income: 450 x RM640 = RM288,000
Regular income: 350 x RM640 = RM224,000
*Returns @ 20% of RM3,200 CPO prices

Income difference between Supergene and Regular: RM64,000 or RM6,400 per year if sell only FFB.

If sell CPO, walao....

Supergene: 450 x 35% x RM3,200 = RM504,000
Regular: 350 x 22% x 3,200 = RM246,400

An income difference of RM257,600 per hectare!!! Which plantation with their own mill don't want?? I believe they will be willing to be put on waiting list for 3-5 years just to get their order filled man!

It makes no logical sense when you bring the facts together.

Ok lar, the vendor might claim all of us plantation scientists got "vested" interests, so sure biased. But then the planters don't give two hoots about whose science is right, as long the bottomline is increase in revenue. And yet, even they don't seem to endorse the materials either. So what gives? If I put myself as a businessman and I find out can really make RM200,000++ extra per hectare over the current materials, I don't mind sacking all my research guys and plant that material kow kow.

And yet, we all know for a fact this is not happening. So again, what gives?

Hi Michael J,

Thank you. I agree with your points especially the calculation logic and the picture.
You are right. If it is the proven trees, I believe those supergene tree will be out of stock when those big planter open big plantation.

I will find a reliable nursery to get the DxP trees to replace those male trees. I have no time to visit the farm this month. Hopefully, I can update something after I visit the farms this weekend.

today had the opportunity to visit a Mushroom farm in TKPM Semenyih.

This farm averages 80kg output per day...which one really an EYE-OPENER...

how big of a land are you looking at? how much capital do u have?

yes, msians can own land there... as long as you're using a local company
nope, new ruling max 95% foreigner 5%local which you can use proxy... for the plantation 20% must be plasma given to pioneers/cooperation and 80% inti/nucleus

no minimum size, but a max size of 100k Ha per company with 20k Ha per permit each time.. no private for foreigners

land is cheap, facilities and logistics is exp...

alaskanbunny:

Sigh. Another change in their rules. A good one, I guess. The 95% foreign ownership makes it easier for Malaysian companies/individuals to invest there. And it is good that they now lifted that 10,000ha minimum. Sucks that the cap is at 100,000ha though.

Whoa! 20% plasma and 80% inti now? Hmmm..... Something to consider about... But I do agree, land is really really cheap, but the support system is pretty backwards. My former company had to build everything practically from scratch, including mills and refineries, roads, their own power grids and renewable energy plants etc. But it is worth it: 4 years down the road, and the Indonesia property is really bringing in the money for the group.

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Added on March 2, 2012, 10:27 amGood day all, for your viewing pleasure:

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This post has been edited by Michael J.: Mar 2 2012, 10:27 AM

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Wow good life for that Mr Wong! Unfortunately over here the collection center don't pay cash. Payment once a month. Flat land some more, easy access road, makes me drool. Here, from no access road to ex-timber road. Need a 4x4 Farm tractor and 4x4 dumper to collect harvest. Still, lots of people are planting palm oil.
Was wondering, what's the minimum acreage to have a profitable Palm Oil Plantation (economy of scale that is).